Got quite a few Liverpool fans here nowadays.Ole Sack Watch
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Got quite a few Liverpool fans here nowadays.You are either:
A. An opposition fan trying to catch a bite, or
B. Someone who doesn’t watch United other than YouTube goal highlights.
Agree with this
Good Post.
United DNA and the meaning right now is basically anyone that had a relationship with us when we were under Fergie, only reason the manager, the assistant manager. the coaches and the technical director have jobs.
Unfortunately where we are now is eerily similar to Liverpool post 80s, let's just hope we fix up soon or it could well be 20 more years till we see a title.
Oh, good point. Not entirely convinced by the Ole way of interpreting it though.
This is the point I was making but the Ten Hag cheerleaders care more about appointing a new manager rather than it being the right manager for United.
Ole is hopelessly out of his depth sadly. But clubs do have a way, a DNA. Ten Hag mentions the Ajax DNA. When we get it right, we've got youth breaking through, we mostly play attacking football. It's gone to pot and it's only getting more difficult to compete at the top, so we'll have to be better at other things. I find ten Hag intriguing, get him in for a long term project with his Dutch mates. Will require patience but if it works it could be fruitful for years and beyond.
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Sounds like City and Pool have more United dna than we do.
What a random post from a random user. For someone so obsessed with my posts you should know that I've been quite outspoken about Ole going this season, the expectations have changed and it's clear he's not up to it. You see, that's the thing about opinions, you're supposed to continually asses your stand point and change your opinion based on the facts you currently have in front of you. I'm sure this stance is something you're not familiar with though, all or nothing right? Make an opinion on day one and never change it.
It's comforting to know I'm living rent free in the heads of some of you.
If Ten Hag ultimately gets appointed I'll be disappointed as I feel it's not going to work but I'll support him regardless until it's clear he's not up to, like I have done with all the managers before him. Whoever the next manager is I just hope we get it right, we have a team that is built to win now, and any manager without that elite experience is going to need 1 to 2 seasons to get to grips with the expectation, club and league.
That is another matter. We could have gone with more experience but I guess club thought that they wanted to try something different after vanGaal and Mourinho.
However, nobody can deny that he have truned around the club from when he took over. If he is the one to lead us to trophies? We will see. But give him this season as long as we have chance for titles.
I'm not paying you to post so you can stop that also if you like?
No manager worth their salt is going to walk out of a club mid season into a shitty situation, no preseason, straight into the line of fire. Let a caretaker deal with the mess until the summer, we can speak to managers over the next couple of months and find out who's available. The Norwegian season had ended, that's why Ole joined mid way through our season.
Kinda looks a wum, 2 cleansheets in 23 matches. 18th in goals conceded this season.
Nearly every match, regardless of opponent they've created more and better chances.
Unforced errors 10x a game at the minute.
No youth in sight, extremely poor management of the squad.
There is no chance of a double unless we actually get someone competent.
This is some of the most bonkers stuff I've read.
This is all hypothetical. Many managers could be attracted by the United job even as an interim. We won’t know if we don’t ask around.
That’s exactly what I said to you though.
Yup, I wonder if it’s like this at other clubs. Where the managerial position is viewed as some ultimate sacred position only saved for those with perfection.Some people are just pathologically averse to changing managers or do not want to give up on a dream that "United DNA" man will become the next Fergie. Trust we, for Pep they would say "a fraud, no CL in 10 years, only can do it with money" for Klopp "7th with Borrussia in the last season, he is past it", for Fergie "did it only with Aberdeen and dropped to 4th last season, won't be able to handle big names, did not impress with Scotland" etc etc. There will always be some excuses. I mean people are downplaying Zidane's CL record for heaven's sake
And the board is of course trying to avoid a psychological discomfort of having to admit that (a) they are crap at choosing managers (b) they screwed up by giving Ole new contract and everyone is laughing at them when they extend contracts to coaching staff who are blatantly not good enough. That is why they are trying to at least keep Ole until the end of the season to not make themselves look bad - as opposed to acting in the best interests of the club.
I agree with the UTD DNA, Imo need to move away from it, and Enrique is the guy for me. Also been reading Allegri may well be in the target Sights? Its all becoming a bit of a mess now instead of concentrating on the up coming games. Imo and still think the board is waiting to see after the CL group stages have finished how we're doing. And Varane being out for 4 weeks or so , it's going to get tougher as there is an excuse if results don't go the right way.
I think 90% of the people on this forum are in agreement that a caretaker should takeover at some point and see out the season. Your wording "How about offering a contract to a better manager until the end of the season and then taking it from there?" implied permanent to me for some reason, maybe I misread or misunderstood it.
Yes I meant a caretaker until the end of the season would be better than keeping Ole
Think you may have stumbled upon Ole’s agent/best friend
Doing a double? Double of what? Getting beat to villa twice? Getting spanked of the scousers twice? We certainly ain’t doing a double in winning trophies… we got knocked out of the league cup to West Ham at home… you think we’re winning one of the league or champions league?
Our tactics are simple… get the ball in the box and hope Ronaldo bails us out time and time again… our defence aren’t organised, our attack isn’t fluid enough. We’re in the most difficult league yes but so is Chelsea, city and Liverpool yet they manager alright… the difference is they have world class managers, we don’t!We disagree but I respect your opinion. Who would you be looking to appoint?
Said this this on the day after the Liverpool match. They’d give him the spurs match win that and they’d accept defeat to City & Chelsea knowing that once fixtures are easier our superior squad will win us more games then we lose even when it’s obvious we are outplayed by lower teams that are better coached & managed then us but the credit will go to Ole for turning things around.
Only way I can see Ole losing his job is if we get kod of the CL group stages.
For those that think if we got beaten by City this weekend it will be the end of Ole. Think again, nothing is going to be worse than got beaten 5-0 at OT by Liverpool (and they took their foots off the pedal). Ole survived that. This shows you how incompetent Ed, Arnold and the so called football structure people in the club.
Ole will be sacked only when it's mathematically impossible for us to get Top 4. This is our current standard. Forget about challenging for the PL and CL, those are not the target nowadays.
With the individual brilliance we have in the team, we will be thereabouts Top 4. Hence, Ole is safe this season. Get used to supporting a Top 4 club. We are not the Man Utd under SAF when finishing 2nd (even 1 point off the champion) was considered failed season.
Ole will be sacked only when it's mathematically impossible for us to get Top 4. This is our current standard. Forget about challenging for the PL and CL, those are not the target nowadays.
With the individual brilliance we have in the team, we will be thereabouts Top 4. Hence, Ole is safe this season. Get used to supporting a Top 4 club. We are not the Man Utd under SAF when finishing 2nd (even 1 point off the champion) was considered failed season.
I have a feeling that Utd will get a result tomorrow
but I think Ole now survives a narrow loss
but I think Ole now survives a narrow loss
"The club obsessed with the long term now living game to game".
The poster was spot on.
The poster was spot on.
I agree short of a 4-5+ goal drubbing he won't go, so the only thing that might get us moving is if we miss out on CL qualification which I don't think will happen after Tuesday.
United are not suitable for him as a manager. By that I mean
1) The pundits will be on his back very quickly if the passing doesn’t turn into creating chances. And start acting like it’s boring
2) Even when he wins I can just imagine Scholes moaning about 70% possession, but only 5 shots on target and 2 goals.
3) Majority of United fans genuinely don’t have the patience for 20 passes, waiting for the killer moment, the right opposition player to be out of position, before we speed things up and go for the killer ball. The crowd would go dead after the 5th pass or start screaming “attack attack attack”
5) 80% of his football is pretty much what LVG played, the 20% that people see on YouTube highlights is the bit that comes last, and the bit that we didn’t give LVG time to and players to implement.
What manager do you have in mind that doesn't play some form of attacking possession football?
We've had a variety of managers post SAF and all have been described as boring, every single one. Yet the most attacking manager of the 5 (Ten Hag) will be called boring too so he's "not suitable"? I'm a little confused.
Point 3 is so silly it hurts my brain, some of our most lauded goals have been the ridiculous 30 passes sequences. Such as...
The favourite goal for many during LVG’s time was the 45 pass sequence v Southampton. United fans, like fans of any club appreciate good football, the problem with LvG was just that he recruited so poorly, especially up top, so the passes were all he had. Ten Hag would be inheriting a team with Ronaldo, Cavani, Rashford, Sancho, Fernandes, Greenwood etc. It’s not remotely the same.
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I’m up for Rodgers or Ten Hag.
Yes, you showed a 30 pass move that led to a goal, what about the majority of 30 pass moves that lead to nothing ? I Know that’s part of possession football, but most of our fan base will quickly get bored especially when it’s 70 minutes and we’re drawing 0-0.
If we’re winning most games, no-one will give a toss.
As I say, you’re comparing LVG horrendous boring attacking line up with Rashford, Ronaldo, Fernandes, Cavani, Sancho etc. It’s not remotely the same.
You think United fans would be bored watching Guardiola every week? Yeah I don’t.
Joel Glazer will hear “We should get consider Rodgers” and he’ll probably say “Dont be silly. We’ve got Brady”
It's unlikely, but not that far-fetched. A loss to Villarreal of worse than 2-1 (including 1-0) and Atalanta beating Young Boys leaves qualification out of our hands going into match day 6, that's hardly the most unlikely scenario of events given our away record in the Champions League.
Another post Christmas stint in the EL would be grim. I don’t think I’d have the stomach for it
Oh God they'll be playing us with a personal Pep point to prove won't they? They just lost their last match as well
I think with the moaning of the United legends on TV. If Pep had the same squad as LVG, many fans wouldn’t have had the patience or vision to wait until he had all the players he needed. Also Pep doesn’t have a pragmatic side like LVG that adapts if he’s defence is crap, so what were draws would have been defeats
Got a point to be honest. The ones we lose are the ones where silverware is close like league cup semi finals.
We may beat him in the league but that’s just one game, so we make it pointless by losing or drawing to mid to lower teams at OT half a dozen times a season, as he steamrolls those teams for the most part.
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