There's no guarantee that any manager is going to win here. Neither Klopp, nor Guardiola. Every manager carries a risk and we have to risk it. The other choice is to persist with the same thing over and over and expect a different result. The definition of insanity and all that.
Ole Sack Watch
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It's worth pointing out that Woodward called Van Gaal a "genius" and was openly talking about a new contract in December 2015. Within a week we'd been knocked out of the Champions League group stages by Wolfsburg and were only at the start of a run of 7 league games without a win (including atrocious defeats to Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke). The Arnold quote is more worrying if he's the next guy in charge, sounds like more of the same nonsense.This actually can't be fecking true
The club isn't run properly & they will continue like this until they accidentally appoint the right coach. It'll be boom and bust until then, but that's OK for the stocks and shares people as the booms are 2nd place finishes, final appearances and "new dawn" shirt sales, while the lows aren't ever really drops below the top 10 in the league, while still all over the press. Whatever happens we'll still be headline news & the team to beat, generating clicks and views like no other club. It's a an absolute banker either way for the leeches. Your loyalty is their annual dividend, our history is their stock floatation windfall.
This is United. Form is temporary, class is permanent. But the Glazers are running our class down milking us for their dividends, which continues regardless of how 2nd or 3rd rate it is on the pitch.
Shambles is an euphemism. We have seen before how things can get done with managers hired purely as interims at Chelsea (Hiddink) and at Bayern (Heynckes). Just get someone for the some time (a few games or the rest of the season) and then finalize details to sign the guy you want after you bought that time.
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What's the point of waiting 'till the international break? Our core players are all internationals. Is it for Conte to get a tour of Manchester or what?
I wouldn't be oppossed to LVG as interim 'till the international break at this point. He'd put out a sensible lineup, change to man marking and stop conceding silly set pieces.
I wouldn't be oppossed to LVG as interim 'till the international break at this point. He'd put out a sensible lineup, change to man marking and stop conceding silly set pieces.
We're approaching 10 years having not won a league, and look no closer to when Moyes was here. Our board has reservations about Conte apparently, probably because for him top 4 isn't an achievement. Imagine having reservations about Conte, while you gave Ole the job for 3 years and 450 million to spend. We're going nowhere as a club and it doesn't look like it's changing anytime soon.
The manager we hired with the least experience, the least tactical know how, the least impressive CV, the least amount of success prior to United was the one given the most time and backed the most financially.
But we have reservations about Conte.
Feck me.
The manager we hired with the least experience, the least tactical know how, the least impressive CV, the least amount of success prior to United was the one given the most time and backed the most financially.
But we have reservations about Conte.
Feck me.
I didnt say it isnt important.
It's a bad source..
That’s how the board works and will continue to work.
I am amazed some people still think otherwise.
The board - those who make decisions - most likely google our results and league position every few weeks and if we are around top 4 things must be good.
And I am not joking. This is why they have sacked every manager since Fergie only after we were too far away from top 4 places or even out completely.
There's not a chance that regular match going fans will start protesting against Solskjaer at this point.
Not arguing whether he should stay or go, but you won't see the fans at the ground chasing him out of the club.
Not arguing whether he should stay or go, but you won't see the fans at the ground chasing him out of the club.
If he gets a draw and a win from the next 2 games he’ll be going nowhere mate.
Glazers have got their yes man in Ole and are obviously VERY reluctant to let him go.
If they had even a modicum of ambition or standards he would’ve been sacked by now - he just got destroyed 0-5 at home by Liverpool ffs, after an already bad run…
What we saw vs Liverpool is about the worst managerial performance I've seen from anyone at the club in my lifetime, without a hint of exaggeration. The age old cliche of it could have been a cricket score could be no truer of that game since Liverpool actually lost interest in battering us around anymore, like a cat that's done playing with a mouse it's shredded to within a inch of its life.
Spurs need points and will be eager to compound our misery; Atalanta will feel hard done by to not have come away with a result, but should have more of their actual 1st team fielded at their own ground, and who knows what malady awaits with City if they really decide to go for it.
Things mightn't even be at their nadir with Ole - keeping him in the hotseat when everything is crumbling around him does nobody any favours as its just dragging him over hot coals by now. He is bereft of ideas, a plan and has no idea how to utilise the squad he has, which means some variation of the exact same thing we've seen time and again in his approach to those upcoming games. By now, the buck does not stop with him, but with those who keep him in employment - he is out of his depth and it is a cruel and ceaseless detailing every time we go out there and has been for the majority of the entire season.
When I asked you if you think it could be worse, I am genuinely curious to what you think could go more wrong that what Ole has overseen - the tactics don't work; the line-ups are wrought with flaws; I'm almost 100% certain he is playing unfit players over fit ones; and there is not a hint of cohesive in-game management. I don't believe things plummet to unknown depths with other ex-players at the helm for an interim period because everything Ole is doing is already failing beyond a redeemable point. There is not one aspect I can point to and think of as a positive in what's unfolding, and that's damning. Not a single player nor tactic implemented can I say Ole is making greater than the sum of what it is. At worst, we get more of the same, at best, we get a momentary bump in performance free-styled by a team who are already essentially making it up as the game goes beyond the initial instructions and needs clawing back on instinct.
Klopp could have taken us for at least 9 goals on Sunday if he wanted to. Liverpool could have turned on the afterburners and really driven for more goals once we went down to ten men. It should be beared in mind that the only reasons they didn't is they have other fish to fry and self-preservation in the face of our players starting to lose their heads is the only reason they didn't - absolutely nothing to do with anything we implemented to try and stop their rampage. That's on my mind when I ask if the others could be any worse, and the simple answer is: by now? no, they absolutely couldn't be because there is absolutely nothing we are doing even remotely well at the present time.
On the replacement score, I agree, however, but the two are not mutually exclusive. A caretaker or what have you can still be in place whilst that process goes on. What should be avoided at all costs is breaking the spirit and morale of the players when the season is still salvageable should they not need coaxing out of mental hole - a few more devastating losses could well be the difference between that being the case and not.
Correct.
Will (some of) the players down their tools even more to make a statement?
Seven months of success.
What fekin success.
What fekin success.
Why is Fergie still being listened to, he was responsible for picking Moyes and now Ole. These decisions have been disastrous for us.
If any of this press is true, which i have no reason to doubt:
We are extending this for no reason.
- Players are briefing he's lost the dressing room
- Our board is briefing he gets another chance against Spurs.
We are extending this for no reason.
This has got be last chance saloon for Ole if what Fabrizio Romano says is true. If we get stuffed by Spurs then surely he has to go.
If he gets the Spurs game then he gets Atalanta and City, simply because the timescales between those games are even worse for replacing him. This could go so very wrong for us.
If any of this press is true, which i have no reason to doubt:
We are extending this for no reason.
- Players are briefing he's lost the dressing room
- Our board is briefing he gets another chance against Spurs.
We are extending this for no reason.
I don't recall ever saying that but whatever
Thought Mr Romano was a fairly reliable source of information
Because SAF literally is Man Utd. Shame that it seems people are turning on SAF.
Not really coached him for some months in Salzburg too, but he barely used him.
Spoken like a true Chelsea fan.
If this is because we're trying to see how to appoint instead then I guess ok.
Thing is I wouldnt be surprised that isnt the case and they think Ole can turn this around and if he cant they'll react then. Which is crazy.
Thing is I wouldnt be surprised that isnt the case and they think Ole can turn this around and if he cant they'll react then. Which is crazy.
Relax. He is going to be sacked. It’s just a timing issue. Might be hashing out a contract with his replacement. He’ll get Spurs and possibly Atalanta then City depending on how bad it is but he will be sacked by the break. No one turns it around after this.
Club cannot just appoint permanent manager in 48 hours notice. The same board was supporting Ole just a few days back. It is highly probable that there was no proactive plan to line up a replacement in doomsday scenario. If they have woken up now (and I hope so) then IMHO instead of acting in haste they should take reasonable amount of time to scan available managers, interview them, understand their vision with the current squad, negotiate contract etc.
If they started acting now then they will take a few week atleast.
I am not a big fan of having a caretaker manager.
If they started acting now then they will take a few week atleast.
I am not a big fan of having a caretaker manager.
Nothing and I mean NOTHING will change with this club until there are big changes in the executive board that put the football at top priority and have the best interest at heart for badge, history and culture of United.
The club will be a revolving door for managers and players until that change is made.
It appears to me that with these lot winning in the stock market is more important than winning on the pitch and that frustrates me more than anything. More than losing to Liverpool.
He's not available. Definitely isn't leaving Ajax mid season after he's just signed a new contract and with Ajax doing great in both the CL and the Eredivisie. Good coach, though managing Ajax and managing United are two very different things. Peter Bosz for example was doing well at Ajax too and has a very attractive style of play but he 'flopped' at Dortmund (wasn't doing well but didn't really get much time either). Ten Hag is also the least charismatic guy imaginable though I'm not sure how relevant that is
The man is 79 years old and is coming off a stroke a couple of years ago. It is fair to say he is probably not at his sharpest mentally anymore and shouldn't be having any serious input in the running of the club.
Seven months ago, we were finishing 2nd and in a European final. I can at least understand the optimism then and that’s when they even gave him a new deal.
This. fecking hell
No manager comes back from losing the players which Ole has. Leaks n discontent will appear after every game we drop points. It's untenable.
This is so wrong. It has reached the point of no return under Ole and he’s now a lame duck. The club should be respectfully parting ways.
If they wanted time to decide his successor then just get caretaker, Mike Phelan the obvious choice for a couple of games.
If they wanted time to decide his successor then just get caretaker, Mike Phelan the obvious choice for a couple of games.
Because if someone’s going to be that dramatic we might as well indulge them.
Except Tottenham are garbage at the moment. That's the only difference.
Geez leave the old man alone. Club has every right to take advice from him. But buck doesn't stop at him anymore.
Don't think Maquire is on his side. He should of been taken off at HT against Leicester because it was obvious something wasn't right. Instead he was left on and was completely humiliated. His confidence is shattered . Don't think he'll be thanking the manager any time soon especially as it's the back line getting exposed time and time again for his tactics further up the pitch.
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