Conte? Welcome to dull football and 10 men behind the ball. In all honestly if Ole doesn't turn it around and i really hope he does, then Rodgers is the only man for me.
Ole Sack Watch
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A repeat of the van Gaal ending where he knew he was gone but the board let him see out his final days. Shocking treatment from the board - they need replacing as much as the manager.
Yes, In the Athletic Article
https://theathletic.com/2912538/202...hester-uniteds-squad-is-confused-and-divided/
" Solskjaer asked his team for their thoughts on the issues causing United to leak chances week after week. More than one concluded that the answer was the man posing the question."
We're risking another thrashing against City and Spurs on their day could damage us. Is it really worth it just to give a new manager an easier start?
Jesus Christ. If that isn't damning nothing is.
Yes, I believe he wanted to leave mid-december when we really were in freefall but woody convinced him to day.
I don’t see how he can still be in charge and face the media Saturday after all the leaks that have taken place and the club not supporting him yesterday and barely supporting him now.
If we let him continue the club is acting in an embarrassing fashion. Exactly the same as Newcastle did with Bruce that Neville called out.
There is clearly an exceptionally low chance that he turns the situation around, so have some dignity and sack him NOW rather than embarrass ourselves more by waiting.
There is clearly an exceptionally low chance that he turns the situation around, so have some dignity and sack him NOW rather than embarrass ourselves more by waiting.
Graham Potter? Surely not. What has he achieved in his career to be considered for the United job?
It’s likely total bs and carrick/mckenna in self preservation mode as they bid for future careers outside the club but this is still funny to imagine this circus.I hope that when he eventually, finally goes we can remember how he’s treated certain members of this squad. Bailly, VDB, Sancho, DDG, Telles, Lingard especially. Many of whom he has effectively lied to about their role in the squad just to keep them around and allowed their careers to stagnate.
Before anyone pick up on DDG I’m convinced he wanted to replace him with Henderson before the latter showed how ridiculously inferior he was.
Before anyone pick up on DDG I’m convinced he wanted to replace him with Henderson before the latter showed how ridiculously inferior he was.
Im fine with waiting for the international break for a new manager, but as soon as those stories about Ole came out his authority evaporated. Keeping him on is almost harsh at this point, he’ll be slaughtered in the press and by oppo fans, he’ll be a laughing stock. Better to switch to a caretaker for the next few games til the break. No one blames a caretaker for not doing the business.
The club are an absolute disgrace. It keeps coming back to zero ambition!
It is not acceptable to win no trophies for 3 years, start a season poorly, get 1 point from 12 and be humiliated at home to Liverpool...
Despite all of the above they still want to give a manager more time!!! I'm disgusted!
I'd love to ask what they are giving him more time for? What do they realistic expect to happen?
We are out of the title race and a cup already. Even if we got 4 points from Spurs and City, then what? Ole can't have a long-term future here now, there is always another bad spell to come and he has already lost the players and fans.
I feel this is just another insult from the board to the fans.
So many of us build our life around this club and they toy with us because they are businessmen.
It is not acceptable to win no trophies for 3 years, start a season poorly, get 1 point from 12 and be humiliated at home to Liverpool...
Despite all of the above they still want to give a manager more time!!! I'm disgusted!
I'd love to ask what they are giving him more time for? What do they realistic expect to happen?
We are out of the title race and a cup already. Even if we got 4 points from Spurs and City, then what? Ole can't have a long-term future here now, there is always another bad spell to come and he has already lost the players and fans.
I feel this is just another insult from the board to the fans.
So many of us build our life around this club and they toy with us because they are businessmen.
Not a chance in the hell Ole is in charge for the Spurs game, bet my pinky on it.
Interesting if you can find the article to this, because I know McKenna in particular was once a very highly rated coach. It seemed odd unless him and Carrick are scapegoats in this.
In any case the overhaul is needed. It's frustrating we can't just bring in a caretaker and move for Ten Hag. That would be a proper plan.
My reading of the situation, just putting 2+2 together, is that if Ole makes it to Spurs at the weekend its because the Board can't agree on Conte.
Conte has been happy to make clear his unhappiness at the way senior management do business at all his previous clubs. Juve, Chelsea and Inter. When he doesn't get signings, or things don't move as fast as he likes, he makes it public. I imagine that's something the Old Trafford senior staff are worried about. Since the way they run the club will only be scrutinised more intensely if they appoint Conte.
Ole looks a dead man walking: Holding the chair just because the guys above him can't decide who they want to give it to. Its over for him. Effectively he's a placeholder. Whether he goes next week, next month, next spring or next summer, Ole is on the way out. As soon as the Glazers and Woodward can agree on who they want to replace him they'll pull the trigger. The only effect results will have on his status is if they're so terrible they have to sack him before they've finished arguing over who should replace him.
Its over once you're managing on a game by game basis e.g., he must beat Spurs, he must do this. Cos clearly, at that point, the Board has lost faith in your body of work across time. Once they lose faith its done.
The best Ole can hope for is he goes out like Van Gaal: Everyone knew Mourinho was going to replace him for the best part of six months but he got to see out the season and win a cup. Even that is looking optimistic at this moment in time. If the Board can agree on Conte, or someone else, before the weekend Ole will be gone.
Conte has been happy to make clear his unhappiness at the way senior management do business at all his previous clubs. Juve, Chelsea and Inter. When he doesn't get signings, or things don't move as fast as he likes, he makes it public. I imagine that's something the Old Trafford senior staff are worried about. Since the way they run the club will only be scrutinised more intensely if they appoint Conte.
Ole looks a dead man walking: Holding the chair just because the guys above him can't decide who they want to give it to. Its over for him. Effectively he's a placeholder. Whether he goes next week, next month, next spring or next summer, Ole is on the way out. As soon as the Glazers and Woodward can agree on who they want to replace him they'll pull the trigger. The only effect results will have on his status is if they're so terrible they have to sack him before they've finished arguing over who should replace him.
Its over once you're managing on a game by game basis e.g., he must beat Spurs, he must do this. Cos clearly, at that point, the Board has lost faith in your body of work across time. Once they lose faith its done.
The best Ole can hope for is he goes out like Van Gaal: Everyone knew Mourinho was going to replace him for the best part of six months but he got to see out the season and win a cup. Even that is looking optimistic at this moment in time. If the Board can agree on Conte, or someone else, before the weekend Ole will be gone.
Christ. There's no way he can recover from this. The dressing room is too far gone.
89% in a poll that no doubt has at chunk of votes from rival fans..
Where's Guus Hiddink when you need him. He would be perfect for a caretaker.
You think they have a strategy? Wishful thinking.
They have no idea. Clowns of the highest order.
Those players don’t like him mate. What will he be proving. You think they are going to run for him
You’re completely right. His man management has been absolutely terrible, he has stabbed so many players in the back it’s ridiculous.
Extending Bailly’s and Jesses contract without giving them a chance, buying Donny and not giving him a chance, same with Amad last season, benching Pogba for McFred, the goalkeeper situation is terrible, convincing Cavani to stay to go and buy Ronaldo anyway, Telles not given a chance despite Shaw being awful this season.
The list goes on and on.. the incompetence is unreal
Go on Donny lad
Agree, I thought the same thing originally after the Liverpool defeat, our fixtures also get easier after the international break, it's a good time for a new manager to come in and get comfortable with the squad. However, after the player leaks yesterday, I don't know how he controls the team, we're basically forfeiting the next 3 games for no reason. Important games as well I might add. Spurs have their own problems so we might be ok but Atalanta and City will be embarrassing for the club.
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Feck off with that crap. Norway already have a much much better coach who has a clear idea, a plan, and actually knows what he's doing. Unlike Ole.
He really backs Ole though. Why wouldn't he, he's a Liverpool fan.
The chance to challenge for the league is pretty written off now. As for top4, it's not guaranteed, but we're within fighting distance even if writing Spurs and City game off. Not a nice thing, but better than rushing to appoint somebody you may soon regret.
In an ideal world, to maintain a chance to challenge for the title, Ole shouldn't have been given the 3 years contract, and the people at the club have been in talking to managers and prepare for the worst. The signs for this turn of event is not unexpected. It's however very obvious for those who is not clouded by romance.
Option should have already been lined up after Villa defeat and Everton draw. Once Leceister defeat came, instead of statement of confidence should have been the sacking announcement and new manager appointed.
Of course, it's too wishful thinking with our board. If they're competent enough, many things could have been done differently for the better way back.
Conclusion: the culture at the club is not fixed yet. It's still reactive based, which a reflection of the chiefs at the top of the pyramid closer to the owners.
Does it matter? all three of them are better then Ole either way.
I suppose it’s optics though, If a new manager comes in only has a few days if that to work with the squad and then gets pasted by Spurs and City, it’s not going to look good. I mean most reasonable people will be aware it will take a few weeks to get his tactics across but, imagine the reactions on the CAF if he gets pasted by City.
We know there will be people jumping on his back instantly. The press will be up in arms as well.
You have surely by now realised we don't have a strategy? How do you expect people that barely understand the sport to have a strategy? It doesn't matter one bit to them if we have 90% possession and create chance after chance or we're camped in our own box for 90 min hoofing the ball to Rashford.
The only way we succeed is if by some miracle they hire an elite manager who's willing to rebuild every sporting aspect of this club from the youth academy to first team. Not Ole's fake cultural reboot that has nothing to do with modern football. A real rebuild. Not sure such person exists and if it does, I'm 100% those chancers will never be able to identify and get him.
It can also be a test of belief. It’s likely that Ole truly believes it in his heart that they are on the verge of a breakthrough. If that is what he strongly believes, then he won’t resign.
Yeah, I also read the players were not impressed with the training sessions which those two oversees.
Either they are trying to save their own hides or this is total bs. Either way, the whole coaching staff needs to go with Ole.
I can't fecking believe he's going to survive this, I can't fecking believe it.
Well if we sign Harry Potter it will truly be magical in the theater of dreams. Still confuses me to hire a former quidditch player to manage a football club.
Conte in 2 seasons won the league and FA Cup.
In his two league seasons Chelsea scored more goals and conceded less. F147 A71
Under our DNA and the United way, Ole in his two full seasons has won nothing. We scored in the league 139 and conceded 80.
Conte is not my first choice but he would be head and shoulders above Ole and wins everywhere he goes. That is surely the most important part for our club, to start winning again.
This statement is wrong though as we could easily sack Ole, give the next game or two to an interim and then appoint the manager in the international break. Ole should be gone.
If Ole stays I can only see it as that the board really believe he can turn it around, which is concerning as everyone else in football knows he can't. An even if he could get a performance in the next game or two, is there any belief at all he can bring back the good times?
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Even if we get Conte, who is clearly keen, the best we could hope for is a modest change in 10 days coaching. The problems are structural as much as they are about attitude. Unlike with Jose, there isn’t a horrible toxic atmosphere so we’re less likely we’ll get the big bounce we got when Ole took over. Back then the players looked like they were over the moon just to get rid of the manager, this time I think it won’t be so uplifting.
I don’t think there’s much we can do to improve our chances against Spurs and co. Best we can do is sit tight and play on the counter, a caretaker can take that approach. Offset that against a new manager coming in and starting with two or three defeats, the long term ramifications could be much worse than the loss of the points.
Conte got a pasting against Arsenal and went on an amazing run. The sooner a new manager is in, the better.
The only man in world football?
I don't think it's worth it at all.
As long as that person isn't Ole, they can put anyone in charge for the Spurs & City games and practically guarantee a reaction from the players. What's Fred the Red doing these days?
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