Ole had any self respect he'd walk away. It's plainly obvious he is out of his depth. But managers don't walk away these days cos of the massive payoffs for being failures.
Ole Sack Watch
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The more the media press for a new Manager, the more unlikely it will happen. No-one , least of all multi-millionaires want to look like they are puppets dancing to the tune of some hacks and retired players.
If United want to change manager it will be in a few weeks time when the noise has abated.
Personally I doubt it will happen until/if United are out of the CL. A top 4 place in the league is still very attainable as is a run in the Cup.
Ole may have his faults, but he does not 'train' his centre half and left back to collide to give away a clear goal opportunity. At 1-0 the game was still open, after this debacle it was lost.
If United want to change manager it will be in a few weeks time when the noise has abated.
Personally I doubt it will happen until/if United are out of the CL. A top 4 place in the league is still very attainable as is a run in the Cup.
Ole may have his faults, but he does not 'train' his centre half and left back to collide to give away a clear goal opportunity. At 1-0 the game was still open, after this debacle it was lost.
Bet Donny is praying that Ole is sacked. He may actually get some game time under a new boss.
He isn't English journalist tbf. Also he is much better than Simon stone whose tweets are cryptic messages all the time.
It's insane he's still in charge. A club like Wolfsburg in Germany got rid of Van Bommel for being 9th in the league, but a club of our stature is ok capitulating to Liverpool 5-0 at Old Trafford
Also looks like he will get sacked, if not today or this week it is getting close. So many journalists said same thing that players lost trust on manager which usually ends in one way. All the reputed papers reported it. Also good ones from Italy also reported about getting in touch with Conte.
Glad it's coming to end now. We should be more ruthless.
Glad it's coming to end now. We should be more ruthless.
Nonsense. Have you forgotten how Mourinho and Ole were both appointed? By media demand.
The board are spineless and will do whatever the press and public tell them to do.
Jose was sacked on a Tuesday, so Ole might still get sacked tomorrow, wish it worked out with him in charge, but we have to move on and get our season back on track.. it has been 3 years, that’s more than enough time to see performances better than we have been.. my concern is the next manager though.. I haven’t watched much of Conte’s teams other than Chelsea, so can’t form a real opinion on him, with that being said, I definitely dislike his antics on the touch line, but if he can get the job done, then be it.
Some people are trying to convince themselves this is going to happen. You're gonna do yourselves an injury, folks!
This thread is exactly why we must never again appoint a club legend to manage the club. It messes heads up.
I try to approach life with a positive attitude, and i am priveleged that in general, i find it easy to do so. That doesn't mean to say i don't feel down sometimes.
The knives are out for Ole and his hapless crew but it's still not clear to me what Woodward would do (if anything) at the end of his tenure.
And I'm not convinced another bean-counting clone is the answer. Better to replace EW with a DoF and the finance guy
And I'm not convinced another bean-counting clone is the answer. Better to replace EW with a DoF and the finance guy
It can not be allowed that a manager remains in his job after being thoroughly embarrassed by our biggest rivals on our own turf, with away fans singing Ole's at the wheel, and with fans leaving the stadium in droves. He has to go. It's very simple. If he's allowed to stay then it is yet further confirmation of our utterly useless board. Conte in.
Please go Ole. Negotiate a slightly lower compensation with the Glazers so they have an easier time justifying sacking you.
Extending his contact was again brilliant decision by board. As usual brain-dead decision making.
Fans can go with the emotions but board should be objective in their decision making. We fail at this big time.
Fans can go with the emotions but board should be objective in their decision making. We fail at this big time.
Monday is usually a day off for players and most first-team staff. If he is going to be sacked it was going to be today.
Some on here were up in arms about that braindead decision too... Sometimes you really have to wonder
He played 3-5-2 at Inter. Yes, he played 3-4-3 at Chelsea and you are correct that it suits Rashy and Sancho better but any formation with 3 in the back is problematic for us because it requires world class wing-backs and a superb sweeper. Who is going to play those?
For wingbacks, Luke Shaw can be good in attack (hasn't been this season) but he is way too horrible defensively for that role. AWB isn't good enough in attack and while he is a good tackler his positioning is nowhere good enough. And obviously we don't have a proper sweeper.
Personally, my only hope is that Conte is a very smart coach so maybe he can also play us a different formation, if he is actually as flexible and adaptable as a great manager should be
That's because we just don't have football people running the club at the top. It's not like Ole was going to be poached by any other team even if had been massively successful. I am sure he would have stayed loyal to the club even without a new contract. Similarly, they have also given an extension to Phelan.
Can't blame them..it's not like Ole's resigning himself. He has no problem waiting for payout. Why should clubs bother about how he felt?
I was not implying our club. I was talking generally about some aspect that raise some skepticism regarding Zidane.We lack financial power?
The main point is that despite his trophies tally count was not as impressive, ticked a lot of boxes as upcoming coach. He's more balanced thus look a safer option.
I don't downplay Conte's ability to win the league, nor that I would say no to Conte now, just to daydream about getting another Tuchel (my initial point. I was actually questioning the comparison/ high expectation for new manager to hit the ground running and saving our season when taking over mid season).
I am not defending Ole and want him gone now. I just keep an open mind to possibility of tough start for manager taking over mid season. Whoever take over need to do the homework, on the squad, and especially their bosses. Getting the all the backing guaranteed before taking the job, lest the money men at club pulling the rug on them, or making unnecessary compromise (looking at former player turning under qualified coaches getting pushed onto manager's backroom staffs).
Conte is clearly one of the best manager there is, and more importantly available. He however has his flaws, which IMO, if available the same time as Tuchel, I would prefer Tuchel. Taking over from Ole, Conte is more than good for me. Just no compromise.
Yeah, it's unreal how we don't have a plan at all and make decisions on the go.
Tuchel has been amazing for Chelsea, so of course everybody wants him, now. But he is not available, so it's a moot point. On the other hand, Tuchel at PSG was strangely underperforming so who knows.
They say Zidane is not interested, but even if he were I think I would rather take Conte in the hope that he can develop a system which works for our squad. Zidane causes too many questions. Hist trophies are impressive, but not sure if he himself is more great or more lucky.
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Of course they want him to keep his job. Why would City fans want what’s good for United?
Exactly, why would any of our rivals want to us hire good coach. They want ole to stay for years.
He used the 4-3-3 at Juventus and was known there for altering his formations to fit his players’ skill set.
https://web.archive.org/web/2015122...-tactical-future-for-antonio-contes-juventus/
The myth that Conte is stuck to a single formation like Prometheus to his rock needs to stop.
I will disagree on that Conte wouldn't get his 5 at the back going as is. He can make less than ideal wing backs to a serviceable level. Remember that he had made Asamoah, Ashley Young, Darmian, Victor Moses looks competent. While I don't expect miracle on AWB. He can coach, so there is hope he can make someone like Dalot, Telles into serviceable, until we can work in the transfer to get his wing back target.
I am not entirely sure what you meant by superb sweeper, so I am taking guesses here. David Luiz had his flaw, and Conte coaching actually elevated him. Leaving David Luiz to his instinct and he would be all over the place. Bonucci without the system as seen during his short stint with Milan couldn't lift the whole defense. de Vrij was not considered top class before Conte took over, and now he's one of the best in his role.
We have Varane who has all the tools. Lindelof is likened to Bonucci in style, and Juventus briefly had shown interest in him if he's available during the window we bought Maguire. Lindelof can play so good long pass. There is hope with a clear system especially that is built around his skillset would elevate him.
I long since a new manager. Been waiting for the game vs Emery.
I was responding to a hypothesis situation where Tuchel pre Chelsea, and the same set of current available top managers available.
I have my preference with Tuchel in that situation. However, for the present time, I don't have a clear preference. I will back any managers with ambition to replace Ole.
By sweeper I meant a DMF playing in front of back 3. Not sure who Conte can use for that in our team.
Are you serious? Would you want Lampard at Chelsea or Tuchel?
Would rather kill myself than watch one more game under this manager. So yes, hoping for the best and getting an injury would be better.
Conte can use a 2 box to box midfielders. There is no rigid holding midfielder needed. The basic of 3 at the back is having an extra CB to maintain number in defensive transition, and that freedom to step into midfield. If that CB has a good range of passing, then it's better.
Conte getting the tune out of Pogba can make it works. Pogba role for France is not too disimilar to how Conte utilize this 2 box to box midfielders formation. Fred proved that he is serviceable as all action (box to box) midfielder. In his recent interview, Fred described exact this as how he wants to play. Ole with his disjointed top heavy tactic forcing Fred into a holding role, which he's neither best suited, nor well coached to do.
Conte is capable of making tough decision, so if he need a midfield 3 or midfield Diamond, and he would have the self belief to just do it, so VdB is not a written off like under Ole. A functional system and good coaching may give some life to Matic too, who Conte liked with the one season they were together at Chelsea.
Of course I don't expect everything just hit the ground running as is. I just don't think our midfield is as bad as it is under Ole right now. There is hope for someone like Conte to make it at least serviceable. And Conte know his priority and targets for when transfer window open. I don't believe we would neglect weak points as well as being greedy with other positions like we have done under Ole.
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Ole is still in the job. This is the Glazers and Ed telling the majority of the fans to shut the feck up.
It's ok to be trophy less for 5 years
It's ok to play boring negative disjointed football
It's ok to be bashed by Liverpool at OT (the worst in our history)
It's ok to be out of title race by Oct every fecking year
It's ok to only achieve Top 4 every year
It's ok to have no football structure, planning and vision for the club
It's ok to not prioritize football but making money is the most important aim for the club
It's ok to let Old Trafford rot
It's ok to take money out of the club every year and also selling the club share for enormous profits while neglecting football.
It's ok to let Molde and Cardiff manager to keep destroying the club.
It's ok to let the fans upset as long as the money keeps coming in.
Meanwhile, real big club with football ambition RM, BM, Chelsea, City, PSG, Liverpool, Barcelona are doing exactly the opposite of all the above.
End of rants.
It's ok to be trophy less for 5 years
It's ok to play boring negative disjointed football
It's ok to be bashed by Liverpool at OT (the worst in our history)
It's ok to be out of title race by Oct every fecking year
It's ok to only achieve Top 4 every year
It's ok to have no football structure, planning and vision for the club
It's ok to not prioritize football but making money is the most important aim for the club
It's ok to let Old Trafford rot
It's ok to take money out of the club every year and also selling the club share for enormous profits while neglecting football.
It's ok to let Molde and Cardiff manager to keep destroying the club.
It's ok to let the fans upset as long as the money keeps coming in.
Meanwhile, real big club with football ambition RM, BM, Chelsea, City, PSG, Liverpool, Barcelona are doing exactly the opposite of all the above.
End of rants.
Think he’s gone regardless. Too many leaks about dressing room unrest, and he clearly doesn’t have what it takes to get the players back onboard when their gripes are tied to his tactical and coaching failings. Matter of time. The statement just means that they haven’t sacked him yet, probably while looking for his successor.
Have opposition fans also voted? Should not be allowed to.
What a news to start the day....waking up early, going to job and seeing this. Great
My days, killing yourself a bit extreme? But agree, eyes have been burnt, the evidence is strong, he needs to go. I am 80% sure he will go today, i am going off mainly history as we sacked Moyes and Jose on Tuesdays after Sunday games but also a contact who mentioned that patience is on very skinny ice.
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