Very nice summary, that.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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Very nice summary, that.
Nice summary, however the whole ''can he attract top players'' is a bit of a moot point. Manchester United will always attract big names, we signed Juan Mata from Chelsea under David Moyes.
Most important point is Ole has got the team playing football the United Way.
Sure we will lose games now and then.
Sure we need some additions.
The key though is we have now got the set up to bring us success.
I don't see any other manager coming here and improving on how we are playing now.
Sure we will lose games now and then.
Sure we need some additions.
The key though is we have now got the set up to bring us success.
I don't see any other manager coming here and improving on how we are playing now.
Agreed. Obviously it can all go balls up (cos we dont know how he reacts in a game when we are losing or when we have lost).
But if he keeps this going, he should defo be a favourite for the job.
Poch was a huge choice for fans because of the way he plays football. But if we have somebody doing that already for us, why would we want to change it.
And for the point by @Arbitrium (in his top post) about attracting players:
Does Poch have the advantage over Ole on that? I ask because which top players has he signed for Spurs that you can say (yeah, they went to Spurs cos of Poch and his style).
Oles other big test will be when it comes to getting new players in and keeping everybody happy (esp those who arent playing / starting). But again, the one thing hes done is make the vibe great and everybody happy. And its easier to do that when youre playing good football and winning.
Weve had managers who have coped with egos before but weve also seen how thats gone. Ole might seem the easy to choice to make, but I reckon we have a few months to see how he does (especially when the fixture congestion along with CL occurs).
He did a magnificent job till now, he brought the players together, playing with good spirit, him and Phelan know exactly what the player in a United shirt should do, and that was an excellent decision to bring these two for this time. But giving Ole the job permanently, is still too early really, first Ole needs to show how he can handle with Ed and the glazers, we surely need some additions in this window, second we need to see Ole in big nights how he can do like he did VS Spurs it wasn't so good actually although we won but in another day they could have scored 4 or so, IMO Ole is absolutely genius on how he made these players act together again and play freely, positive attacking football, and want to win every game, but for me as permanent he still has lot lot to prove.
So could we. Lingard missed a sitter from 4 meters, Pogba's lob could have gone in, and both Martial and Rashford had chanced that could have gone in.
Most of DDG's saves were straight on him, he only did 1 or 2 saves that were really good, like the one from Alderweireld (think it was).
I was listening to John Giles and he was saying that this could just be the honeymoon period after Jose's sacking and that the players are just reacting to being happy again.
We really have to judge Ole at the end of the season.
We really have to judge Ole at the end of the season.
I’m wondering how much sway Fergie has in this current setup, im guessing quite a bit. Any input from the great man can only help us. If he’s involved and helping Ole then I say give him a crack next season with a few Fergie type signings. I reckon Fergie would be all over sancho and De Ligt. So Yes please.
I just don't understand the love for big name players,
Except Pogba which big name player works for us?
We don't need big name players we need who work for our system.
Except Pogba which big name player works for us?
We don't need big name players we need who work for our system.
If we beat arsenal we could host PSG with 11 wins in a row. I don't care if Ole is giving them all personal oral entertainment, you don't get there just by being happy no who you are playing.
These so called experts are absolute fecking prats if you ask me.
I would concur.
I think there's a little bit of wishful thinking going on at the moment. Of course we all want Ole to do well enough to be appointed, and as a result a lot of people are confusing what they want with what is actually happening.
I want to see how the team responds to our first significant defeat before I make any judgement. No doubt he's done immensely so far, and I was very impressed with our approach at Spurs. But I'm still a good 2 months of saying definitively that I want him full-time.
I want to see how the team responds to our first significant defeat before I make any judgement. No doubt he's done immensely so far, and I was very impressed with our approach at Spurs. But I'm still a good 2 months of saying definitively that I want him full-time.
That was directly after Fergie. A few weeks ago, I couldn't see any decent player wanting to come to a club that looked like it had no direction, no leadership, no spirit, regardless of the name and the reputation.
So in the next two months whilst we are fighting on all fronts you want us to experience a significant defeat?
Weird.
I wouldn’t say it was directly after Fergie, we were struggling when Mata came in during the January window. United could sign great players without a manager. Even Chelsea did it with Hazard. Yes it was rock bottom under Mourinho but any potential big player coming in would know he wasn’t going to last much longer.
In fairness it’s kind of inevitable we’ll be defeated at least once now until the end if the season, it’d be fairly unrealistic to think otherwise, no?
Probably, but I know what attitude makes me happier.
Not only that, it was about 30 minutes, not even a full half when they finally got a grip of the game, at home, when our players were fecked. Pochettino > mastermind || Solskjaer > lucky.
We were out of the Champions League when Pogba joined us, we'll always get big names because we're Man Utd and we pay big wages.
Especially if we keep playing like this and go further in the CL.
Of course we will and we'll most likely bounce back right away. I'm also intrigued to see how we'll deal with a lull in motivation but I'm also confident the staff know exactly what they're doing.
The PSG tie is a chance to announce our intention moving forward. We win that tie and it will be impossible to rule Solskjaer out as the full time manager. The world will be watching and players will be saying to themselves 'I want to be part of that', that of course is if we look great or we win.
There is no doubt in my mind, and after three managers that were not of the United mindset, OGS is the man.
Our greatness under SAF is that we always beat the teams we should beat. He made good players look great. We were ruthless.
A lot has been said about OGS not facing top clubs in his start as manager, but can any of us say that we were comfortable with mou winning those games?
Both LVG and Mou were big name hires. They failed. Our club is legend, our club is a way of life. A fight. A determination. A work ethic. OGS gets it.
Glory is Manchester Red!
Our greatness under SAF is that we always beat the teams we should beat. He made good players look great. We were ruthless.
A lot has been said about OGS not facing top clubs in his start as manager, but can any of us say that we were comfortable with mou winning those games?
Both LVG and Mou were big name hires. They failed. Our club is legend, our club is a way of life. A fight. A determination. A work ethic. OGS gets it.
Glory is Manchester Red!
This is solskjaer specific. Yes, we will always have some kind of pull but that pull was definitely not there as much in the last 18 months as it was in previous seasons. We had Jerome boateng tell the public that he did not want to sign for us despite our very clear interest.
What I’m getting at with solskjaer is can his name, style and all his attributes be reason enough for a player to sign for us independent of the clubs stature. Having your manager be the number 1 reason you sign for a club is a huge deal, and I’ll use Thierry Henry and Arsene Wenger as the example. Obviously, solskjaer doesn’t have the experience wenger had, but word spreads fast and if word gets around at the French training camps via pogba, the Spanish ones via De Gea and to all the players in the England squad that he’s the real deal, then people are going to start thinking about having conversations with their agents.
Right now, you’re joining Man Utd for;
The money
The history
The fans
The manager
Whereas in the past it would be
The manager
The fans
The history
The money.
It’s no surprise that the second set was synonymous with the greatest period of domination in our clubs history. If solskjaer can make himself the reason People join, the knock on effect is success, which brings out the best in our fans (obviously).
The jury’s out on it right now because he’s just too new, but if it’s going as well behind the scenes as it appears to be in front of us, the fans, then his name alone is going to become the number one determining factor for players joining us.
Might as well give it to Sandra Redknapp if we are to give to Ince then. What a bitter twisted man he is. SAF was right to sell him. Calling himself The Guvnor.
I might have Interpreted this wrong but when people say its only "Honeymoon period" are they saying once the "honeymoon period" is up then our players will go back to the way we played before? You know, play without any movement, no one touch passes, hoofball, no pressing, no intention to attack or even win the game until other team has scored, struggle vs bottom half team teams like before and defend for dear life vs bigger teams, look like strangers on the pitch etc. <<< I mean surely these points I've made highlights a manager who despite having attacking/buying attacking players had absolutely no clue on how to use them except for making up numbers when defending and clearly doesn't reflect our players usual level of play (not saying they're all world class level etc..).
We are playing completely different football to Jose's, We're beating teams that United should be beating without much worry (bottom half teams), we played well vs spurs for 60 mins IMO then got tired/spurs showed their quality, Our quality attacking players are... well attacking and not defending for large parts of the game (against bottom half teams and spurs now), our defence are still crap but they don't have the burden of facing attack after attack against bottom half teams (which should be the way for a so called big club), there are clear patterns of pressing and attacking play and we are constantly improving each part of our game.
People mention Di matteo for Chelsea, they had the players to play attacking football but they defended for their lives to a Cl win and in the league they didn't do much which would suggest Di matteo changed their approach IMO. I am not saying we will go unbeaten/win trophies this season (we will lose games) or Ole is some great manager but surely we have good players to play attacking football which we simply didn't do with Jose and continue to play good attacking football whether its the so called "Honeymoon period" or not, especially against bottom half teams. Our defence is still crap, well because they not good enough IMO, but our attacking players are definitely capable of playing your basic one touch, pass an move football and any manager with an attacking mindset would have them playing attacking football plus win games , like Ole has got them to play like his Modle Fk side play (based on few matches I've watched). Not going over the top to suggest Ole should be our next manager or anything but surely we have players who once the dust ("Honeymoon period" is over) has settled will continue to play attacking football because I am not sure how they could have shown their attacking talent with a defensive approach which was used before (not saying they're all world class level etc..).
If people have a different interpretation of "Honeymoon period" please do reply to my post.
We are playing completely different football to Jose's, We're beating teams that United should be beating without much worry (bottom half teams), we played well vs spurs for 60 mins IMO then got tired/spurs showed their quality, Our quality attacking players are... well attacking and not defending for large parts of the game (against bottom half teams and spurs now), our defence are still crap but they don't have the burden of facing attack after attack against bottom half teams (which should be the way for a so called big club), there are clear patterns of pressing and attacking play and we are constantly improving each part of our game.
People mention Di matteo for Chelsea, they had the players to play attacking football but they defended for their lives to a Cl win and in the league they didn't do much which would suggest Di matteo changed their approach IMO. I am not saying we will go unbeaten/win trophies this season (we will lose games) or Ole is some great manager but surely we have good players to play attacking football which we simply didn't do with Jose and continue to play good attacking football whether its the so called "Honeymoon period" or not, especially against bottom half teams. Our defence is still crap, well because they not good enough IMO, but our attacking players are definitely capable of playing your basic one touch, pass an move football and any manager with an attacking mindset would have them playing attacking football plus win games , like Ole has got them to play like his Modle Fk side play (based on few matches I've watched). Not going over the top to suggest Ole should be our next manager or anything but surely we have players who once the dust ("Honeymoon period" is over) has settled will continue to play attacking football because I am not sure how they could have shown their attacking talent with a defensive approach which was used before (not saying they're all world class level etc..).
If people have a different interpretation of "Honeymoon period" please do reply to my post.
John Giles has hated Manchester United from the day he got sold on the spot for arguing with Sir Matt. So I would not bother too much about his rants.
Does Ince have something against Solskjaer? Winning 6 games in a row at this level is impressive no matter what opposition you face.
Losing respect to Paul Ince now.
Losing respect to Paul Ince now.
I don't want us to at all, but we will, no team can keep winning forever. I want to see if, when it inevitably happens, we bounce back with a strong performance and go back to winning ways, or if we start to wobble and lose a few. That will tell me whether our current run is the real deal, or whether we've been in a post-Mourinho bubble.
Exactly , people thinking we won’t attract big players cos Ole is manager is rubbish. The player looks at his 0’s in his contract compared to other clubs and signs.
How can we not hire a manager that got a 100 % win ratio? 
I'm not deciding whether or not I want Ole until the season is over.
However what I will say is that it looks like Mislintat is leaving Arsenal. Mislintat, a transfer expert and Ole as a head coach could work very nicely.
However what I will say is that it looks like Mislintat is leaving Arsenal. Mislintat, a transfer expert and Ole as a head coach could work very nicely.
There was a very strong rumour going round at the time as I remember, that he had placed a bet with the local bookmaker against Utd., winning a certain game.
That was cliche, yet at the same time very rousing.
People like him never understand how fans thinking about.
Watching us for the last 4 years and I never been so excited even in Wembley the second half against Tottenham. There is a joy, excitement, hopes and whatever you can name it. Fans is just happy. So why not Ole, we have been this club for so many years. Know this club well rather than 3 previous manager, the chosen one, the philosophier, the special one. None of them give us as a fans joy like this.
1) top 4 finish is not in Ole's hand. We were in deep sh!t when he got us. That is unreasonable and unrealistic expectation from him. Only those who don't want him to be permanent manager are setting that condition
2) players stamina for high intensity 90 min game is questionable and becoming more and more evident. Top teams are going to exploit this weakness. This will be our achilles heel in CL.
3) only realistic achievement is FA cup.
2) players stamina for high intensity 90 min game is questionable and becoming more and more evident. Top teams are going to exploit this weakness. This will be our achilles heel in CL.
3) only realistic achievement is FA cup.
Weird that some people keep bringing down Ole - I mean it's ok if it's only a 7/10 achievement but they find reasons to argue it is a 2/10.
First - any manager after Ole would have got us to score 5
Second - It's only the small teams
Third - We're anyway expected to win these games, let's see what happens against Spurs
Now - DDG won it, not Ole
New reasons expected going forward:
Didn't influence Ed to sign a star (End of Jan reason)
Top 4 minimum expectation (Around Feb)
CL QF minimum expectation (End of Feb)
At least 1 cup (End of Apr)
All these are fair arguments, but these are things we never expected 25 days back. Whatever happens between now and end of the season, at least Ole has reestablished the right expectations from a Man Utd team. All the above arguments point towards that. I can understand if people had an agenda against Jose/Pogba/Sanchez etc., but not sure how some want to pull down Ole of all people (not saying we should be giving a 10/10, but at least a rational evaluation instead of driving their own agenda is expected).
First - any manager after Ole would have got us to score 5
Second - It's only the small teams
Third - We're anyway expected to win these games, let's see what happens against Spurs
Now - DDG won it, not Ole
New reasons expected going forward:
Didn't influence Ed to sign a star (End of Jan reason)
Top 4 minimum expectation (Around Feb)
CL QF minimum expectation (End of Feb)
At least 1 cup (End of Apr)
All these are fair arguments, but these are things we never expected 25 days back. Whatever happens between now and end of the season, at least Ole has reestablished the right expectations from a Man Utd team. All the above arguments point towards that. I can understand if people had an agenda against Jose/Pogba/Sanchez etc., but not sure how some want to pull down Ole of all people (not saying we should be giving a 10/10, but at least a rational evaluation instead of driving their own agenda is expected).
Rather than Top 4, I think we should assess his league performance on points and goals scored. If he can maintain a 2.2-2.3 point average from now on, that translates to 75-80 points which in my opinion is a decent tally considering where we were regardless of final league position. And if he can get our attack to hit 75 goals playing this style, I reckon that would be the icing on the cake.
FA Cup would be nice of course.