LMA bound to come out now following that Ince rubbish making some claim about racism being the reason he won't be Man Utd boss.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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The only way, and it's still substantial, that Fergie is behind this is that he was Oles manager.
Anyone thinking Fergie is actually making the decisions is as crazy as those cnuts now boycotting Gillette
Yep, some of our fanbase forget that SAF is now old and has just recovered from a major illness and keep remembering him from 2012. He is likely no longer the force he once was and probably visits the club in the capacity of a fan and a former mentor, which is perfectly understandable.
Me like. First striker did ok, don't you think? Let the second one continue... Our very own Mini Sir Alex.
Fergie was a handsome devil wasn't he? And i suppose the majority of Van Gaals goals must have come from headers, hes like a giraffe
Mourinho doesn’t even belong in that comparison. His playing credentials are non existent.
Fergie was a handsome devil wasn't he? And i suppose the majority of Van Gaals goals must have come from headers, hes like a giraffe
This is not correct and a good example is that if Ince had taken over he may have upset the apple cart already with his bull in the China shop ways.
Ole is very level headed and has a charisma which I think endears him to all around him.
It's early days yet but I like what I'm seeing.
We had not answer to it at all. That really disappointed me too
I think our players looked completely drained and that had a lot of influence.
Ole said that we lack pace and stamina for full 90 minutes. It was quite evident even against Cardiff.
If you notice around 65-70 mins players lose focus, they drop back and start making silly errors. All due to above. No matter what tactic you employ, if players' body is not up to it then all in vain. It was okay for jose type counter attacking football, but not okay for Man Utd intense, all attack philosophy.
Even after 70 mins spurs players were running like only 10 mins lapsed. Astonishing.
Ole's tactic was spot on. He knew his players lack stamina to chase highly intense spurs for full 90 mins. He decided to go all out in first half and take lead, and then defend it.
I am sure the new management team is working on players' stamina.
Yeah I think he should be judged on points gained since he arrived. For instance if our form until the end of the season is league winning form and he still finishes outside the top four he he deserves the job imo.
Don't forget Klopp's Mainz got relegated before that as well. If in the future any Liverpool fan tries to bring up Solskjaer's Cardiff getting relegated.
He’s had a remarkable career as a manager to be fair to him.
They'll change their tune at the end of the season when Pochettino confirms he's staying at Tottenham.
I think we did, we had those couple of Pogba chances. But their dominance in second half was so dangerous yes, and it shown how much we need a C.B, R.B and maybe a defensive midfielder too!
I'm sure Ferguson has spoken to Solskjaer and given him some advice but apart from that there isn't much Fergie can do from the sidelines. As a player who spent years under Ferguson during our most successful period it would be hard not to pick up some of the traits. I think people wanting to pin United's resurgence on Ferguson are just hoping it's that and Solskjaer's not actually a good manager because it ruins the Pochettino to United narrative.
In short, if Fergie wanted to manage the team, he could have after Mourinho got sacked. Pretty sure Solskjaer wouldn't have taken the job to have someone else feeding his lines to him. Fergie hasn't exactly got a lot of time left as a working man so it makes sense to have him in and around the club for everyone to hear and see him, Solskjaer is just humble enough to know that he doesn't have to compete, the club is bigger than them both.
If we'd have finished our chances and been 3-0 up at the 60th minute we wouldn't have needed an answer to it. Also, the players were knackered, it's hard to make any changes when people can't run anymore.
Only because Dortmund saw a manager in him that spoke to their values as a club, much like Solskjaer does to us
Remember when people were judging Pep on his ability to improve players and Mourinho's ability to make players worse?
Surely Solskjaer deserves credit for the way Rashford has developed over the last few weeks? We can also include Lindelof and Martial in that category.
Surely Solskjaer deserves credit for the way Rashford has developed over the last few weeks? We can also include Lindelof and Martial in that category.
Totally agree with this, been keeping track of this since Ole took over.
Rankings since Ole took over: (5 games)
1. Manchester United 15
2. Liverpool 12
3. Chelsea 10
4. Spurs 9
5. Man City 9
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9. Arsenal 7
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20. Huddersfield 1
Can't post images yet, but if you want to take a closer look on form tables -> transfermarkt.co.uk
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So.. Aguero or Auba?
Why did our players look drained?
Surely, our team can't be that unfit that they are only capable of playing 45 minutes of football?
Many people would blame Jose for this, but keeping fit and having great stamina should be something that each player must take pride in (ie. in his own fitness).
I am not a paid professional athlete and off my own back, for free, no body to pay me, I run/cycle to ensure that my endurance and stamina are good. If I were paid, I'd take things to a whole new level.
Unless Jose specifically told our players that he wants them to be as unfit as possible, I put the blame squarely on the players, for this.
Solkjaer deserves credit for Rashford. He has benched Lukaku, in favour of Rashford.
Martial has not actually improved. He is the same as he was under Jose.
Lindelof was already improving under Jose and I see no difference, now that Solkjaer has arrived.
The difference that Solkjaer has brought is our style of play. The focus on attack, against smaller teams.
We've only played 1 big team since he arrived and we were pinned in our own half, relying on DDG's brilliance to keep us in the match. Solkjaer should not be given credit for this. In the 2nd half, Spurs cut through our midfield like it was nothing and were taking pot shots at our goal, with some ease. Poch changed the tide of the match at half time and that is something which he can take credit for. The way Spurs attacked us, was brutal and we had no tactic to counter this.
Poch would later go on to admit that the 2nd half performance was the best he has seen Spurs play, under him.
I was talking about InceOnly because Dortmund saw a manager in him that spoke to their values as a club, much like Solskjaer does to us
I don't blame Jose for this, I believe our players were fit enough for Jose's game plan but not for the intensity and movement and high pressing that is required with Ole in charge now. We were sitting back most of the time and now we're moving all around the pitch, we will probably improve with time and Ole addressed that after the game so hopefully we're working on that.
Professional athletes get their training plans given to them by their coaches and they should not be doing exercise that hasn’t been greenlighted by those coaches. If they’re not doing what’s asked of them that’s one thing, but assuming they are then it’s totally on the coaches how fit they are.
Besides the single biggest things players do to get fit is play games, so the way they approach those games has a big impact on their overall fitness.
This is why the club and most fans are giving Ole a bit longer than a month to judge.
This is not his team. He is trying to figure out along the way.
Poch has been training his team for ages. It is not exactly a match to judge Ole's full potential yet. But the result was good for us and it is still a credit to him.
Pinned in our half for 30 minutes.
Pochettino was forced into changing his tactics due to an injury. Prior to that he was losing the battle. Credit to him for rearranging his set up, but history suggests he wouldn't have done that without Sissoko having to come off.
What else is Pochettino supposed to say? His players were psyched out by an opposition goalkeeper and showed their Spurs DNA by bottling it?
He made this statement (or something like this) in his press conference after the game
"If we had lost, we would have been 13 pts behind and that would have been impossible. Draw would have made it 10, which was difficult and with a win we are 7 pts which is still achievable"
While the media and many fans are targetting that 4th spot over Chelsea and Arsenal, Ole seems to be targetting the 3rd spot over Spurs
"If we had lost, we would have been 13 pts behind and that would have been impossible. Draw would have made it 10, which was difficult and with a win we are 7 pts which is still achievable"
While the media and many fans are targetting that 4th spot over Chelsea and Arsenal, Ole seems to be targetting the 3rd spot over Spurs
Yeah thats the thing
Ole brought the club together because he is a club legend
Paul Ince is a cnut who went and played for Liverpool
As @ewanl Ted already pointed out the players do the work they are told to. At this level everybody is incredibly fit but what Ole is asking them to do is run more sprints, more intensity in pressing and also run more overall. That requires specific training for that over a period of time ( which I doubt they did under Jose) and also actually doing that in games to get there. Will take way longer than a month to get there.
We all agree that we need better defense, had we had that, our defending wouldn't look that desperate, and wouldn't rely as much on DDG.
And to be fair to Solskjær and the team, as @Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said, we were only "pinned" in our own half for 30 minutes, the other 60 we were equal or better.
PS. There's an S before the kj in his name
(sorry for being the dick who points it out)You can't be more wrong than this, Credit should goes to Ole without any question.
What you told was half true, Spurs able to pin us down to last 30 mins, considering the form they have and its their home game its bound to happen.
We didn't park the bus from start of game, we actually play with intent to win.
Yes DDG save us same was Lorries save them other wise game would have been over before 60 mins.
People crying about DDG have to make 11 save, but completely forgot they are typical save, they are not world class saves (may be one).
We go there with plan and able to execute it and come out with 3 point, what else you want from Ole?
Remember that Ole managing United only for 4 week while Poch managing Spur for 3-4 Years and have settle team, they are bound to push you to limit.
Another thing, in addition to the victories, is it's great to see a nice guy do well. Ole is disproving the maxim that nice guys never win; there can't be a nicer guy in the game. He's someone you wish the best for.
We'll have a stretch of games where we play PSG, liverpool, palace, southampton, PSG, arsenal, city. The mood here might be very different in March. It's great to finally be happy again but the talks of giving it to him are premature.
Thank you. I was kind of getting sick of people passing off Ole's work as Fergies. Obviously you see similar patterns in the teams play as Ole was managed by Ferguson for a long time.
Pinned in our half? You do realise we were the better team for about 60 minutes before the players were exhausted. Don't understand why Pochettino is getting so much credit for being second best, at home for over an hour. They have a good 30 minutes (and don't score) and he's a tactical genius.
That’s a bizarre fecking post.
Poch gets credit for Spurs second half performance (when they didn’t score) but you won’t give Ole any credit for the first half performance (when we did score) that forced Pocchetino to change his opening formation/tactics.
Have a word with yourself.
Hyperbole cos that second half should have seen Pogba score at least one of his three chances.
Meanwhile Spurs had possibly three good chances as well but the others really werent.