Pochettino only has seven players left from the squad he inherited at Spurs. He has rebuilt the squad through his own wise judgment. Trophies or not that is encouraging. Whether a manager knows a club is rose tinted poppycock. Short term yes Ole has and I expect will be good for United. Long term is anyone's guess.
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Pochettino only has seven players left from the squad he inherited at Spurs. He has rebuilt the squad through his own wise judgment. Trophies or not that is encouraging. Whether a manager knows a club is rose tinted poppycock. Short term yes Ole has and I expect will be good for United. Long term is anyone's guess.
Well I don't know but something suddenly felt so right about him about O.T, you can sense that even if I am thousands miles away but it feels like the whole atmosphere has changed around O.T ( quickly ), positive words all around and as we can see, positive and brave display which matters most and something we weren't able to do for long time. First time in a while I increase the volume of the t.v to finally hear the fan singing d enjoying again as well as the players too. Don't know but there's something really good about Ole. I hope we continue fighting and running no matter who we play against.
While this is true and seems to be a bit of a prevailing point made in the media it doesn’t escape the fact that we’ve scored 12 goals in 3 games, that’s nearly half of what we got in 17 games under Mourinho.
Also - Bournemouth are a good team and Cardiff are in decent form at the moment.
If anything it’s quite amusing to watch the usual ABUs getting snide after only 3 games. Fergie inflicted quite the trauma on them over the years clearly.
Agreed. But it also I think it works both ways, I mean we tried the other subject with hiring an experienced well know coaches and they still almost did not good enough though.
Why does it matter where he’s come from??
Zidane managed reserves at Madrid before taking over, Pep managed Barca B before taking over. Why not Ole at United? He managed United kids for 3 1/2 years before Molde and Cardiff. He has plenty of experience and the stats are already looking impressive in 3 games compared to the previous ‘special one’
I have absolutely no problems with giving him the job permanently based on the on-field stuff he's shown so far. The players love playing for him, the fans love him and we're fecking great to watch for the first time in forever. It just fits.
My only doubt is whether he has the ability to address our weak areas, find the right players and build himself a Premier League winning team. That's the big unknown quantity at this point, but we won't really know how he fares without taking the plunge. That particular talent is what sets Pep and Klopp apart from every other manager in the league.
My only doubt is whether he has the ability to address our weak areas, find the right players and build himself a Premier League winning team. That's the big unknown quantity at this point, but we won't really know how he fares without taking the plunge. That particular talent is what sets Pep and Klopp apart from every other manager in the league.
Moyes came into a dressing room with not one medal in his pocket as a manager. That was farcical considering the dressing room he walked into. The current dressing room is different.
Van Gaal, had the medals and the cojones to rebuild the squad. However his style of play was too robotic. It was football by numbers not off the cuff.
Jose like LVG had medals but his style of play was never going to suit United. Woodward wanted success without realising or fully appreciating the history of the club.
Ole doesn't have medals as a manager Ala Jose or LVG but he does understand United and appreciates the style of football needed to be played as dictated by United's heritage as a club. Unlike Moyes he would understand the club and not necessarily set up to nullify the opposition. Always felt Moyes didn't fully realise he had stepped up from Everton where he might have set out to nullify the opposition. He took over the Champions!
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Exactly, I know the euphoria will die down but irrespective of this, I don't think any of the other candidates are a better fit. I think whats important here is the coaching team. Phelan, Carrick and McKenna play very important supporting roles so I hope we hire the lot.
And we are high-pressing the shite out of teams and winning balls in the opposing half, instead of giving opponents the ball and sitting back
The past five years have mostly made for dreadful viewing, but the last three games have genuinely been brilliant fun. Yes it's likely to unravel and get a bit ugly again around mid-February, but there's no sense in worrying about that now. Obviously the fixtures have been a bit kind to us here, but just enjoy it!
If we somehow sure up the defence - whether that’s through a January purchase or some further quick magic - then I can see Ole staying on. Would still rather get Poch in though, maybe with Ole as the ass man
That will be DoF's job not Ole's. If we get a proper DoF, he should be in charge of transfers and building the team while Ole and his stuff are just coaching.
Yeah, if we get a good DoF Ole is my first choice for manager, but at the moment we don't have one and unless that changes there is still a fair bit of uncertainty.
Ole over Poch without a doubt . Why should we change a winning formula? we're scoring goals, players confidence has been restored, fans are enjoying life again. I'm intrigued to see what he can do with some spending. We haven't been this good in attack for long long time.
Excuse me
IF, Ole continues this sort of turnaround for the rest of the season how about Ole as manager with Fergie as interim DOF (basically an advisor to Ed until we get a real DoF).
I'm getting giddy! But its hard not to having seen 3 successive managers, with no connection to the club, balls things up.
Jaysus lads. Just enjoy the ride. Let's chat again after Easter.
I mean Craig Shakespeare won his first 5 games.
I think our fanbase and decision makers at the club are far too sentimental to make an appointment like this work. It's just not the right club for it.
When things go south (as they do with 99% of managers at one time or another) clubs like Madrid and Barcelona move on sharply. There was a chunk of our fan base ready to let Moyes, Mourinho and LVG sink the boat. The club actually did let all three of them sink the boat. Imagine that now with the added sentimentality.
When things go south (as they do with 99% of managers at one time or another) clubs like Madrid and Barcelona move on sharply. There was a chunk of our fan base ready to let Moyes, Mourinho and LVG sink the boat. The club actually did let all three of them sink the boat. Imagine that now with the added sentimentality.
Lovely birthday present by Ole for Sir Alex. Ole has got the players believing in themselves, no sagging them off in public, just picking the right words, you can see Sir Alex's influence on him.
I think he ticks many of the same boxes as Moyes and fails to tick similar ones. I rate Kane so highly and think that it is indefensible how they’ve not won anything or competed at the business end with real regularity with him leading the line and a good team around him. Poch would have already been sacked at United if he had just qualified for the CL each season and spun his wheels. You can’t just waste the prime years of top talents and not prioritise winning things, whilst never been good enough to win the big prizes you supposedly aspire for.
I'm not worry about it at all. I'm just saying the timing we decided to hire Ole is perfect. He needs to start easy first before get the hard one, the schedule is like step by step and that's why I call it perfect schedule for him.
At one point in 2nd half before the sent off, both of our CBs were well into Bournemouth's half helping the press and putting the pressure. I thought it was great. I don't mean doing it all the time against all teams. It just shows that we are not afraid to commit players up front.
That would never happen by design under any of previous managers.
He should not be discussed as a candidate for the permanent role until the end of the season. Yes, we have been doing really well these 3 games but let's see how we manage to do in the longer run. Also it is going to be interesting to see how both Ole and the team reacts to a negative result. Will they rise back up or will a downward spiral ensue? These are all scenarios we have to go through before thinking about giving him the full time job. Personally I hope he does really good because I would love it if he became the man to lead us into the next season.
If I've learned a lesson in the last decade, is that unless you strive for brilliance and to mark an era, coaching a big club is not rocket science, most of it revolves around caring about your players not feeling miserable and using concepts that most top players could've learned from their coaches if they paid some attention in their 10/15 years of top level football.
People like Luis Enrique winning a treble (after loosening the saddle of the team in January), Zidane, Ancelotti (too lenient in the post-Pep Bayern), Valverde, Pellegrini or even Allegri are more friend than sergeant to their players.
The old guard of tactical maestros with iron discipline have been failing at top gigs lately, beyond Simeone (which has molded the team to his ideals, something not possible for anyone coming to a juggernaut) Mourinho, Benitez, Conte, "Moyes", Van Gaal and maybe others have been at war and underperformed in Europe's biggest clubs after 2010.
At top level, having new ideas, being liked by the squad and knowing the mentality of the new generation of players looks more important than having a wide array of tactical setups and tons of experience while being unable to win the roster to your side. When stars sign for United, Bayern or Madrid they think they're above tracking back like dogs and not enjoying with the ball, that's the same reason why some top quality players have been scarred by Simeone in Atleti, to be a Sergeant you need a roster of 23 soldiers willing to be underdogs, not a bunch of players that thought they could leave a legacy at football while also enjoying being on the pitch.
People like Luis Enrique winning a treble (after loosening the saddle of the team in January), Zidane, Ancelotti (too lenient in the post-Pep Bayern), Valverde, Pellegrini or even Allegri are more friend than sergeant to their players.
The old guard of tactical maestros with iron discipline have been failing at top gigs lately, beyond Simeone (which has molded the team to his ideals, something not possible for anyone coming to a juggernaut) Mourinho, Benitez, Conte, "Moyes", Van Gaal and maybe others have been at war and underperformed in Europe's biggest clubs after 2010.
At top level, having new ideas, being liked by the squad and knowing the mentality of the new generation of players looks more important than having a wide array of tactical setups and tons of experience while being unable to win the roster to your side. When stars sign for United, Bayern or Madrid they think they're above tracking back like dogs and not enjoying with the ball, that's the same reason why some top quality players have been scarred by Simeone in Atleti, to be a Sergeant you need a roster of 23 soldiers willing to be underdogs, not a bunch of players that thought they could leave a legacy at football while also enjoying being on the pitch.
So, we shouldn’t consider Solskjær for the permanent gig?
Beautiful post.
The assistant manager. The ass man.Excuse me
IF, Ole continues this sort of turnaround for the rest of the season how about Ole as manager with Fergie as interim DOF (basically an advisor to Ed until we get a real DoF).
I'm getting giddy! But its hard not to having seen 3 successive managers, with no connection to the club, balls things up.
No, sorry, I cant get passed the visual image of Ole being Pochs ass man.
You've created an image that can't be erased.
It's still too early to really make judgements as we don't know how the players and management react after a bad result. We also don't know if this is simply new management syndrome or if Ole really is the real deal. It's a very promising start, I mean, we're actually enjoyable to watch again.
Oles first day three games will go down in United history. Seriously, we have very few managers compared to other clubs despite what the last few years say. This is a March/April decision. Get the DOF in now and decide on Ole later. We all would love it if Ole Gunnar Solskjaer got the full time gig!
Then Mourinho shat the bed with a stupidly defensive and boring setup against Liverpool. The momentum was never regained till he was sacked. Should have known it then, that he's not the man for this club.
He’d be a great ass man for Poch
The baby-faced ass man
The interesting thing about how we are playing is that I thought it will take time for us to play as crazy as Molde plays. He transformed Molde his first time there very quickly too. If you have doubt about our style of play watch this.
Hold your horses Scottie. We've had bad luck with early extensions before. We still don't know if he has the balls to get rid of Fellaini, Rojo, Darmian, Jones, Mata and Valencia, or if he's wise enough buying players. Let's hope we can get Mitchell in who'd already know the club, what we want and what we need.
Yep, the only thing to worry about him is if he has some ruthlessness in him like SAF did. You have to be able to get rid of players and tell them as well. I think he can learn from SAF in that aspect.
Aye.
3 managers have come to United, all wanting to stamp their own mark on the club. Ole's different, the club itself is stamped on him. Maybe it's time to consider promoting our own.
Although Phelan is officially the Assistant Coach, I've heard a journalist on the radio claim that he does a lot more than his job title suggests.
I think there's a possiblity that Phelan is already the de facto Sporting Director/Director of Football (minus the transfer strategy responsibilities, seeing as he's not yet signed a long term contract to stay at United).
Wasn't a big part of Ole's struggle at Cardiff due to buying the wrong players? I want United to hire a Director of Football first, whether we hire Ole permanently or go for a Pochettino
Playing with a system like this, We are almost guaranteed to score against anyone. My only worry is that pressing requires a lot of energy.
The only tactic that will prevent us from scoring is ironically the one Jose often uses.. putting 9 defenders behind the ball. The Premier League is full of attacking teams now though so I'm not worried. In the CL, things might be different. We'll see if Ole is a good tactician as well.
The only tactic that will prevent us from scoring is ironically the one Jose often uses.. putting 9 defenders behind the ball. The Premier League is full of attacking teams now though so I'm not worried. In the CL, things might be different. We'll see if Ole is a good tactician as well.