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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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RIP Poch fanboys.
Ole deserves it, done a top job so far.
Ole deserves it, done a top job so far.
It will leave bitterness in everyone, that's why.
Wouldn't that be something? I am afraid they'll never die though.
To all you moaners, cheer up and support the team.
Another win, Get In! ALbeit a shit performance.
Needs serious backing this summer. 4 starters assuming Pogba and Herrera don't leave.
Needs serious backing this summer. 4 starters assuming Pogba and Herrera don't leave.
Test failed.
I think people on here want to think that Ole is a better manager than he actually is.
Let's revisit this at the end of the season.
I think Nuno has a team hes been working with for a while and is comfortable with. Not saying he isnt better but Ole clearly is not comforable with some of the squad options.
Our midfield and front 3 were mainly second string
He bought Neves, Jota etc in the last 2 years. Neves just last year in fact IIRC.
I think people on here want to think that Ole is a better manager than he actually is.
It was a mistake to give Ole the job before the season was out.
There was no need to indeed
I thought we were very good. Not gonna expect miracles from the squad though because it's just screaming for quality and upgrades.
So 2 years more than Ole has been working with this squad, a group of players where he has bought zero of them...
Again I wasn't calling Ole better, I was saying he needs to be given time to show what he can do now he has the job before he is judged.
I agree with the last line, no idea why we did that.
Our last comfortable win was against Crystal Palace and we probably should have lost away to PSG and lost or drawn at home against Southampton.
In short we could very easily be looking at 6 losses out of the last 7 and should probably be looking at 5 losses from 7.
We have Barcelona, City, Chelsea and Everton in 4 of our next 5 fixtures.
https://i.imgur.com/aDIJyUq.png
Funnily enough we could have won those 2 games vs Wolves and Arsenal had we been able finish up front.
Bit of a poor patch right now...need a couple of wins on the trot to get back on it,
Easier said than done
Easier said than done
If your point is we should evaluate Solskjær in a balanced way in stead of a fan way, I’m not sure I agree. As we don’t know much about what goes on behind the scenes, I think we should give our players, managers and even ceo’s the benefit of much doubt, and try to be their fans. A 80-20 balance. The CEO’s rome is to coldly evaluate the managers job, and he knows (or should know) a hell of a lot more than us. Our role is to back and even worship the team. To an extent.
You don’t seem to be balancing either, though. You pick seven games where we won some we could have lost, and lost some we could have won, and you summarize them in a disingenuous way.
And you compare another teams manager with our at completely different stages in their process, to make him look better. Wolf-tinted glasses are not better than red or rosy.
You make a lot of assumptions there. My comments take more than just the last 7 games into account.
You can contort into all manner of ways to justify your (self acknowledged) a-priori decision.
They look Wolf-tinted glasses to you because of your own position. Given his longer-term track record it is entirely normal to question whether the club acted precipitously in giving Ole the job before the end of the season. Given the spread of games it would have made more sense to see how he handled this run of more difficult opponents before appointing him.
That recent run of losses might look slightly better when taken in context but that is not the way the broader world looks at it (in terms of our brand) and more importantly for us this Summer that is not the way that players we want to sign will look at it.
After SAF left I was attacked for saying that as there is no fixed established order in the Prem and because our historical success has been spotty there is a chance that we might go without winning the big prizes for an extended period. People didn't like that because of "feelings". Similarly here, feelings have somehow convinced many that Ole possesses skills that he has not demonstrated. There was no harm in waiting.
In short, we have 4 difficult games in the next five. The picture will be just that bit clearer after that.
4 defeats in the last 5 now....
But it could have easily been 6 in 7.
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What's your point? Are you suggesting there is someone that would have won all 5 with this squad?
I’m firmly on Ole’s side and I trust him, but there’s quite a middle ground between losing 4 of out 5 games and winning all 5, isn’t it?
3 of the 4 were tight games away to decent sides when we have been hamstrung by injuries, the other was to Barcelona. There is a lot of delusion about how good this team actually is. These players have shown for years now under different managers that they are not up to it, but people still expect/predict them to win every game, its bizarre.
This.
Jesus wept are people actually on Ole's case already!!! Most fickle fans in the world our lot, if we go and beat Barca in the Nou Camp they will be back to full circle queuing up to tell everyone how on side they have always been.
No doubt these are the same fans who went insane for United giving McTominay a new contract etc.
Give the lad a chance to spend some money and a full summer/pre season to get his way of playing across.
Some of our fans, make me cringe really do
No doubt these are the same fans who went insane for United giving McTominay a new contract etc.
Give the lad a chance to spend some money and a full summer/pre season to get his way of playing across.
Some of our fans, make me cringe really do
That and if Spurs and Poch go through a rough streak, no such noises are made.
Have we started to believe the whole 2nd place being a miracle with this squad then?
Nah, we just change narratives to suit our points.
Miracle no. Over achievement compared to performances, definitely. Its been no surprise to me that we're not even top 4 this season. My predictions on here said so. Leicester won a league, Burnley finished 7th last season, these things happen.
71 points that we had after 32 games last season would have us 3rd, 9 points behind 2nd, great.
The way i see it is we're a top 4 squad and Jose had us underperform this season. Ole has overall taken us back to top 4 form and now we're in a bit of a slump, don't really see a need to try and pretend some of our losses haven't been poor.
No 'changed narrative' from me. I was consistent pre Solskjaer that these players weren't good enough regardless who was in charge.
It's a top 4 'squad' with (in my opinion) a 5th best starting XI that's the problem. Take a few of those starting players out and losses away to Wolves and Arsenal are entirely predictable results.
Surely, there's middle ground? We beat Juve and PSG this season. We beat City and Pool last season. We're obviously not that bad. We're definitely good enough to muster one shot on target in a home last 16 CL tie.
You can't just pick out one stat and use it in isolation as 'evidence' of how good (or not) we are or where in a given game
Dalot missed a sitter of a header just before HT, doesn't count as a shot on target though does it
In general, Barcelona were poor. This was in part because McTominay, Smalling, Shaw and Fred were very good. We were poor going forward at times because our attack is below top-level
Where do you draw the line picking out one off games though. Wolves have just beaten us twice, they've also beaten Liverpool and Spurs. We beat those teams but none of them were convincing wins, they are just one offs where the result was better than the performance itself.
We aren't 'that bad' we're just not that good either 5th/6th in the league is right for the quality of our first XI.
Keep blaming Jose for everything - even after reality is hitting us in the face. We failed to properly strengthen the team, some players downed tools (Pogba -our talisman - especially) and some players were just not good enough.
I am still pained how we threw away the chance to build on that second position last season. And this is not about firing Jose. We just walked eyes wide open into a mess. Luckily, Ole's hiring gave us a jolt. Unfortunately, it is wearing off.
Our problem was not LVG or Jose.
It was Jose after LVG.
They did not match & our squad is looking weaker than ever due to a misbalance of tactics and the players to play that.
It was Jose after LVG.
They did not match & our squad is looking weaker than ever due to a misbalance of tactics and the players to play that.