It doesn't bare thinking about where we'd be if Jose were still here, it seriously doesn't
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It doesn't bare thinking about where we'd be if Jose were still here, it seriously doesn't
Anyone think the likes of Giggs, Neville, Butt or Scholes could do something similar? They also knows the club inside out
I didn't say where would we be if Jose was still here, I said where would we be if he was sacked earlier than he was i.e. October/November, rather than mid December. We'd likely be above Spurs and Poch.
If our form remains anywhere close to what it has been up to now there is no way he isn't getting the job permanently.
Agreed, defence is gaining composure and assertiveness. I guess it is all that happy face smiling taking effect.
Dunno if it's been mentioned, but he totally pinched that tactic of double fullbacks to nullify a flank from Tuchel. Thought that was very clever and something SAF would have done.
Thought that was clever too, considering Palace fully rely on Zaha offensively. Only works if at least one of them is an attacking fullback though. Lucky for us both Dalot and Young can be a threat going forward.
We've had experienced managers, LVG, Mourinho and Moyes. All of whom failed for various reasons. I think what is making Ole succeed is his personality, players want to play for him. Ince would fail in this regard, he strikes me as someone that would scold you and leave you feeling bitter about it.
The transformation from he who shall not be named to this current Ole United continues to boggle the mind.
Managers like Jose, Moyes and LVG are "experienced".
Ole is experienced too.
The difference is, Ole is experienced in Manchester United, and experienced in Sir Alex Ferguson's immense management when he learned from him.
Ole is experienced too.
The difference is, Ole is experienced in Manchester United, and experienced in Sir Alex Ferguson's immense management when he learned from him.
Man, our fans ruined the 'Ole's at the wheel' chant by adding 'You scouse b******s' at the end during the match yesterday.
Yep heard it this morning , much more in their line to get rid of Fred and add someone else than adding them to a decent Chant.
He undeniably experienced an expected honeymoon period which yielded a great run of results but you can see him growing as a manager in every way on a weekly basis now. It’s only natural that someone who previously only managed Cardiff and Molde has to grow into the role and he is doing that.
With Phelan and Carrick alongside him, he should at least be given next season now.
With Phelan and Carrick alongside him, he should at least be given next season now.
My only real concern with OGS to date was whether he would give chances to youth, this is in the context of underperforming players who were given chance after chance and were failing.
While I was a little dispointted to see none of the new youngsters get a game yesterday, it was great all 4 of them were in the travelling squad, 2 made the bench and one got some minutes. Also it's great to see the faith being put in Mctom and Dalot, while Perreira was awarded another oppurtunity to play after previous poor performances.
I have no doubt that OGS should get the job full time, but I would like to see him continue to give youth a chance, even when our players return from injury. Harder ganes is understandable, but when we play relegation fodder like Fulham, I'd be dispointted if he does not at least name one of the players on the bench
While I was a little dispointted to see none of the new youngsters get a game yesterday, it was great all 4 of them were in the travelling squad, 2 made the bench and one got some minutes. Also it's great to see the faith being put in Mctom and Dalot, while Perreira was awarded another oppurtunity to play after previous poor performances.
I have no doubt that OGS should get the job full time, but I would like to see him continue to give youth a chance, even when our players return from injury. Harder ganes is understandable, but when we play relegation fodder like Fulham, I'd be dispointted if he does not at least name one of the players on the bench
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What a strange post given we have had so many academy players in the last 2 games
.Greenwood and Garner at 17, players that young rarely start a PL game for any club.
Very strange, it's actually surprising that he's put as much emphasis on youth (in pressers, bringing them with the squad, handing a couple of debuts) given he's only interim manager.#
What a strange post given we have had so many academy players in the last 2 games
Greenwood and Garner at 17, players that young rarely start a PL game for any club.
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What a strange post given we have had so many academy players in the last 2 games
Greenwood and Garner at 17, players that young rarely start a PL game for any club.
Hmmm. I praised OGS in that post for Mctom and Perreira who featured the last 2 games, plus 2 x younger players who were selected yesterday ?!?
To clarify, my concerns were earlier this year where he regularly played underperforming players and youngsters didn't even make the bench in 'easier' games like Fulham. Players don't suddenly become superstars on hitting a magic age, they need to be nurtured with the odd oppurtunity here and there. My conceen was that did not seem to be happening and faith in OGS wavered on this particular area
Has he been announced yet?
See that's the problem round here. Anyone saying the glass might not be full to overflowing is seen as negative. Exactly the same mindset reigned in the first months of the last three managers. Some headbangers were supporting Jose right to the last moment because they didn't want to be disloyal or negative. Identifying possible weaknesses (and it is only a possible weakness) is not being negative.
1 loss in 15 games, 12 of which are wins. Breaking our away win record in the process and yet people are still doubting him...
I don't care (well, I do care) but what I mean is, even if we don't make it to top 4 or do not win FA cup, even then I have got that love for united back. Now, I spend hours and hours watching pre-match and post match comments and analysis. I have started writing back at caf, I anxiously waiting for the next match and I have started feeling half confident even before the start of match about winning it. All in all that love for manchester united is back and I can't remember the last time I felt like that in the last 5 or 6 years post Sir Alex. All thanks to Ole for bringing that mojo back.
When Ole took over our goal difference was zero. It's now nineteen
I think it's safe to say, he's going to get the gig.
I'm getting a bit sick of this 'OGS United' mentality, similar to how it is with certain players.
I really want him to be manager full time and hope his reign is longer than Sir Alex's, but he is not infallible and there will always be errors or areas he can improve upon. There is no harm in criticising certain areas and discussing it rationally
Great post
The biggest compliment I can give ole and the staff is that for the first time since Fergie I don’t fear anybody anymore. I feel we can go into every match and be competitive. I didn’t feel like that under the last 3.
I’m so glad it wasn’t just a honeymoon phase for the players. They’ve all raised their games 10% and whoever plays is committed and doing well.
Ole clearly has a vision and a way he wants to play which is with a positive mentality. Even though he wants to be attacking he isn’t neglecting the defending either. We’ve improved in both parts.
I can’t wait to see what he does with the summer window.
I’m so glad it wasn’t just a honeymoon phase for the players. They’ve all raised their games 10% and whoever plays is committed and doing well.
Ole clearly has a vision and a way he wants to play which is with a positive mentality. Even though he wants to be attacking he isn’t neglecting the defending either. We’ve improved in both parts.
I can’t wait to see what he does with the summer window.
I'm not saying he is infallible - hence the statement at the bottom of my post about it being a beautiful adventure. However, I would have bitten your hand off to be where we are now back in December.
The main reason for the post was the OP talking about not being proven about having the ability to pick the right players, when he hasn't had a transfer window to work with (January doesn't count since the board it seems wasn't prepared to back him then), since that is a criticism he could do nothing to fix until he has a real window to work in.
Exactly. Thank you
Mine post was a general comment about 'insert player/ manager United' mentality
Your point above seems fair about OGS. He's not had chance to bring in or offload players yet. Besides, the modern game means this is less of a manager responsibility and one where they are limited to input to decisions rather than solely taking them
I think the point is that Jose tried to make very good players compete while walking on their hands and they weren't very good at it. Allowing them to use their feet naturally makes them better and that's what Ole has done - which is rather the point Paul Ince was making. Now he's done it very very well and I'm super-impressed and hope he gets the job. But is it enough on its own to win a title? Not convinced yet.
Give him the job for fecks sake
Still winning his own league by some margin.
http://solskjaertabellen.com/ (I love the website)
+5 points to Liverpool and City
+7 to Arsenal
+8 to Spurs
+13 to Chelsea
It tells you everything about how disastrous was our situation before he came, that even after a run like this we're still 5th and 6th if Chelsea win his remaining league game. Even the excellence in terms of results and breaking historic records every week could not be enough to get us top-4.
I say this in anticipation, because if we ended up 5th or 6th I can see some people telling how he isn't good enough because the man isn't able to get even a top 4 place in the league. So when we analyze things let's remember where we come from and the general context.
No pre-season, no signings, learning about his players and changing our approach along the way, and still getting more points than the league challengers. I'm not sure if everyone is aware of the magnificence of all this.
http://solskjaertabellen.com/ (I love the website
)+5 points to Liverpool and City
+7 to Arsenal
+8 to Spurs
+13 to Chelsea
It tells you everything about how disastrous was our situation before he came, that even after a run like this we're still 5th and 6th if Chelsea win his remaining league game. Even the excellence in terms of results and breaking historic records every week could not be enough to get us top-4.
I say this in anticipation, because if we ended up 5th or 6th I can see some people telling how he isn't good enough because the man isn't able to get even a top 4 place in the league. So when we analyze things let's remember where we come from and the general context.
No pre-season, no signings, learning about his players and changing our approach along the way, and still getting more points than the league challengers. I'm not sure if everyone is aware of the magnificence of all this.
I'm almost certain he's already been offered the job permanently but it won't be announced until the end of the season. I feel he is the right choice for us at this time and hope he does well next season. To win the PL is a big step but I'll expect us to challenge for it.
A very good post this one is.Still winning his own league by some margin.
http://solskjaertabellen.com/ (I love the website
+5 points to Liverpool and City
+7 to Arsenal
+8 to Spurs
+13 to Chelsea
It tells you everything about how disastrous was our situation before he came, that even after a run like this we're still 5th and 6th if Chelsea win his remaining league game. Even the excellence in terms of results and breaking historic records every week could not be enough to get us top-4.
I say this in anticipation, because if we ended up 5th or 6th I can see some people telling how he isn't good enough because the man isn't able to get even a top 4 place in the league. So when we analyze things let's remember where we come from and the general context.
No pre-season, no signings, learning about his players and changing our approach along the way, and still getting more points than the league challengers. I'm not sure if everyone is aware of the magnificence of all this.
Read before you post, I even made key parts Bold for you.
you're right this is waste of time, since i did say i only commented on what you posted and that you didn't prove your point (didn't say you were wrong or right on poch not having many games where they have less shots) but the example you provided was not enough <<<< you don't seem to understand that point. I didn't think those will have been the only games where spurs had few shots on target but its your job to provide a good example (like you did afterwards, which was a better example and i said if you had posted that before I wouldn't have commented but for some reason you still don't get it) and I just commented on what was being posted and not what wasn't, I can't read your mind or make things up.....cough....look at you.
But anyways this is boring now, you make nonsense up (me making this manager vs manager or where i said its wrong to post additional games, as i previously said i wouldn't have commented if you had posted more games like you did in your other post afterwards) but then ignore it when i ask for proof of it.
I know it's not exactly how it works but if we kept up this rate of GD improvement for a 38 game season, we'd be on +65
Again lost the point and more nonsense. That's a fecking example of games, not all games. It wasn't hard to understand. Everyone got it including the guy who made the post except you.
Never mind
OGS did get to learn from Sir Alex and as AF stated OGS was a very intelligent reader of football games as a player and therefore he was able to come on as sub and change games. Since then Ole has been a manager for United Reserves, Molde, Cardiff and Molde again spanning over 10 year period. OGS did learn from the best manager in AF and that´s not a bad footballing education to get.
The effect he has had on the players and the whole club is just incredible and I would make the arguement that OGS already done enough to warrant the job full time. Compair him with Mourinho and how badly is OGS making Mourinho look as a manager. With every win and a total turnaround in both playing style, player performances, results and the effect of approaching things with positivity Mourinho is looking like an outdated football dinosaur.
Hearing fans sing songs about him at every game and seeing how players, staff and fans are enjoying themselves is a joy to behold. It takes a special kind of man to be able to do this and he´s also smart in surrounding himself with good staff in Phelan,Carrick and McKenna and working with them as a team as Sir Alex did back in his day by delegating responsibility to staff. How Mourinho looks worse and worse with each game and the way Mourinho went about his job in general compaired to OGS is a very interesting subject.
I guess the way of intimidating,scolding and just a negative approach in general like Mourinho did will not work in the longterm as proved by Mourhino sacked in his last 3 jobs. Treating players with positivity, clear standards and methods mixed with a little humility is certainly working a whole lot better. Having a manger that wants to be there and shows that matters also plus he has a much better understanding of players having been one himself. Sign Ole up now as the next United manager.
The effect he has had on the players and the whole club is just incredible and I would make the arguement that OGS already done enough to warrant the job full time. Compair him with Mourinho and how badly is OGS making Mourinho look as a manager. With every win and a total turnaround in both playing style, player performances, results and the effect of approaching things with positivity Mourinho is looking like an outdated football dinosaur.
Hearing fans sing songs about him at every game and seeing how players, staff and fans are enjoying themselves is a joy to behold. It takes a special kind of man to be able to do this and he´s also smart in surrounding himself with good staff in Phelan,Carrick and McKenna and working with them as a team as Sir Alex did back in his day by delegating responsibility to staff. How Mourinho looks worse and worse with each game and the way Mourinho went about his job in general compaired to OGS is a very interesting subject.
I guess the way of intimidating,scolding and just a negative approach in general like Mourinho did will not work in the longterm as proved by Mourhino sacked in his last 3 jobs. Treating players with positivity, clear standards and methods mixed with a little humility is certainly working a whole lot better. Having a manger that wants to be there and shows that matters also plus he has a much better understanding of players having been one himself. Sign Ole up now as the next United manager.
Our defence is definitely not getting better. We concede chances galore against any decent team and we just try to outscore them. That is the major difference, instead of sitting back and relying on a suspect defence we make the gamble that our forwards will do the job better than their forwards. This works out in most games because our forward line is very good, but becomes undone when we are up against a world class team who have more quality than us.