Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4

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Kapardin said:
Because Sanchez usually does feck all despite looking busy. But I hope for goodness sake he steps up atleast today.
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What utter nonsense. He's just getting back to full fitness and he's hardly had any minutes so far. I hope we play him through the centre, he's not a winger ffs.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
You have no idea whether he's deemed it worth the risk to overrule the medical staff. Managers have the final say.

To bring him on with the substitutes you had left was a huge risk and has predictably backfired. Taking away any accountability from the manager who made the decision is ridiculous.

It was especially risky with the substitutes you had left to bring on a player who was deemed not fit to start.
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Indeed. Both Guardiola and Mourinho demand a lot from players when they're not really fit enough to play.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
You have no idea whether he's deemed it worth the risk to overrule the medical staff. Managers have the final say.

To bring him on with the substitutes you had left was a huge risk and has predictably backfired. Taking away any accountability from the manager who made the decision is ridiculous.

It was especially risky with the substitutes you had left to bring on a player who was deemed not fit to start.
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That’s a strawman if ever there was one. You don’t know that either. Obviously.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I don't see it. You think Ole had a final say in whether Lingard plays or not?
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I don’t know about that. But telling him to play 70 minutes after getting a muscle injury 10 days ago wasn’t the right decision in my opinion.
 
ErranMorad said:
I am shocked that this is being seen as anything other than a terrible decision. Ole mentioned in his pre-match interview that Lingard wasn't fit and ready to play the full game. It was nonsense subbing him in given the situation with 75 minutes still on the clock.
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People are very protective of Ole and can't handle any criticism being thrown his way.

He's done an incredible job but he's (understandably) still got a lot to learn and like every other manager in the league, will make mistakes. He did so today and will likely learn from it.
 
I don't want to criticise Solskjaer for anything given how he has turned around our season but the Lingard sub does look like a badly judged gamble.
 
Kag said:
That’s a strawman if ever there was one. You don’t know that either. Obviously.
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True, but I don't see how people are prize plums for suggesting that the manager has taken a big risk which has backfired.

Like others have said, Ole talked about how Lingard wasn't really fit to start. Bringing on a player who wasn't fully fit when you're already down a couple of substitutes with Rashford limping was a poor decision.
 
Kag said:
‘Limited’ minutes is vague expression. You’re either fit to play in a football match or you’re not. If Lingard was deemed fit to play (which he clearly was) then that’s a decision made by medical professionals, not football managers.
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Except according to Solskjaer himself Lingard was not fit to play a full game, yet capable of playing some minutes. That was Solskjaer's opinion and even just based on that opinion alone, bringing Lingard on so early was a big risk.

If your logic is correct (that you're either fit to play or your not) then what Solskjaer said before the game also made no sense. Either he believed what he said (in which case he was at odds with your logic) or he didn't believe it (in which case he didn't actually think Lingard was fit to play at all but had him on the bench anyway).
 
Lingards substitution was a mistake by Ole.

Fergie made plenty. Poch makes plenty. Let’s see how it pans out.

I just hope he acknowledges it after the match.
 
sullydnl said:
Except according to Solskjaer himself Lingard was not fit to play a full game, yet capable of playing some minutes. That was Solskjaer's opinion and even just based on that opinion alone, bringing Lingard on so early was a big risk.

If your logic is correct (that you're either fit to play or your not) then what Solskjaer said before the game also made no sense. Either he believed what he said (in which case he was at odds with your logic) or he didn't believe it (in which case he didn't actually think Lingard was fit to play at all but had him on the bench anyway).
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It was obviously a risk. Every decision has an element of risk. Whatever, Lingard wouldn’t have been on the bench if there wasn’t a good chance of him being physically able to play 90 minutes. As it turns out he lasted, what, 15 minutes? Are people going to blame Ole for that too?

As I said earlier, the really obvious problem was bringing him on without any warmup. But playing with 10 men while a sub warms up would be unprecedented (I think?)
 
sullydnl said:
Except according to Solskjaer himself Lingard was not fit to play a full game, yet capable of playing some minutes. That was Solskjaer's opinion and even just based on that opinion alone, bringing Lingard on so early was a big risk.

If your logic is correct (that you're either fit to play or your not) then what Solskjaer said before the game also made no sense. Either he believed what he said (in which case he was at odds with your logic) or he didn't believe it (in which case he didn't actually think Lingard was fit to play at all but had him on the bench anyway).
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You are either fit to play or not. Medically, that’s assessed by professionals. How match fit a player will be is different entirely, and that’s what Solskjaer is clearly referring to. Or at least that’s what managers usually refer to when discussing how capable players are of completing a full game after injury...
 
It was a poorly calculated risk that backfired. Undoubtedly the fitness coaches would have certified Jesse fit but at the same time they would have cautioned that he is not fully 100%. It was strange that Jesse came on before Sanchez and this perhaps shows the current place that Sanchez has in the team.

Well, the risk was taken and it didn’t pay off. That happens. What I really dislike are the people in the forum blaming Ole for not rotating and blaming Ole for taking that risk. Sometimes you do it because you hope for a greater return. I think perhaps his team (Carrick, McKenna, Phelan felt it was justified at the time). We really need to stop pointing fingers at people whenever any little thing goes awry.

This is the time of true adversity. Let’s get behind the team and manager. Liverpool are a good team this season so it is going to be tough but let’s see how the current players are galvanised.
 
Should have probably brought a defender and changed the formation a bit.
Lingard wasn't fit , yet was brought on.

But think we should let today's game go. Not a good day to judge him
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Awful subs and in game decisions by OGS.

Utterly awful.

This could potentially give Liverpool the fecking PL.
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Stop being dramatic. The Jesse sub was a poor decision but what’s wrong with the in game decisions? Plus Liverpool were on their way to winning the PL anyway. Let’s not pin this on OGS handing them the PL...
 
RedPnutz said:
Stop being dramatic. The Jesse sub was a poor decision but what’s wrong with the in game decisions? Plus Liverpool were on their way to winning the PL anyway. Let’s not pin this on OGS handing them the PL...
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I'll pin this game's in game decisions and starting line-up on Ole, mate.

He's the man who'd be getting credit if he'd made the right decisions - can't have it both ways.

It appears he's completely fecked it up.
 
I'm sure Ole didn't defy all medical advice to bring Lingard on. Yeah it obviously didn't work out, but people are making a lot of assumptions, despite knowing none of the facts.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I'll pin this game's in game decisions and starting line-up on Ole, mate.

He's the man who'd be getting credit if he'd made the right decisions - can't have it both ways.

It appears he's completely fecked it up.
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For sure the Jesse sub was a poor decision as I said. Whether certified fit or not, it seems an unnecessary risk.

But the in-game decision are tweaked due to injuries so the hands were forced. Same as the starting lineup with injuries to Martial and Matic. He has had to mitigate.

“Completely fecked it up” is the overly dramatic part.
 
Tactically we have been excellent, considering so many problems. We were closer to goal than them.
 
If this was Mourinho, we would be sitting back and getting pummelled.

Regardless of the Lingard debacle, we are playing bravely on the front foot and that's to Ole's credit.
 
Kapardin said:
If this was Mourinho, we would be sitting back and getting pummelled.

Regardless of the Lingard debacle, we are playing bravely on the front foot and that's to Ole's credit.
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Aye. There's no need to crucify Solskjaer for a bad decision or ignore the positives in what has been a good performance in the circumstances. It's just silly to pretend it wasn't a bad decision on Solskjaer's part or that he wasn't at all to blame. He made a bad call, it happens.
 
Another big game at home where you can’t really judge him as the game plan went out the window after 20 mins.
 
Bringing Lingard on was a mistake on his part. However, he still got an excellent performance from a depleted side in very difficult circumstances. Even if we lost I would have been happy with the performance against what is a better side.

One suspects that unless the team seriously drops off between now and the end of the season the job is probably his.
 
He’s shown today he deserves the job. He’s got us playing great football but also shown today this side has character & resilience.

The tactical switch at half time was terrific & we were the better team the second half. For all Liverpool’s possession they did feck all. He deserves his chance to manage this team & sign his players.
 
ha_rooney said:
He’s shown today he deserves the job. He’s got us playing great football but also shown today this side has character & resilience.

The tactical switch at half time was terrific & we were the better team the second half. For all Liverpool’s possession they did feck all. He deserves his chance to manage this team & sign his players.
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Yep, nicely put. This is certainly a highlight of his tenure.
 
Our defending was such a mess under The Toxic One. Ole and his team have done a wonderful job improving this area of the team

Luke Shaw and Lindelof are locked in starters going forward. Find a top CB and an attacking RB this summer and we will be in great shape



Anyways, time to end this charade. Announce our new manager
 
Rock solid in defense. Terrific performance by every single of our players.
Ole and United are a match made in heaven (hell).
Love you, Ole.
 
Decent result given the circumstances. Well done Ole.
 
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Despite the histrionics by certain posters at halftime, and with the exception of the Lingard sub, I think that second half was hugely to his credit. Start of the season we would have folded and conceded sloppy goals when things were going to shit.

He's created a resilient, tough team that try and play football even when it's getting tough in two months. From where we were, and with some of the players he has to work with that's remarkable.

He'll get the job.
 
I hope he's given a massive transfer budget and is allowed to overhaul this squad. The effort and the way we play is fine, but we lack quality in a few areas. I'm feeling positive about the future if he can bring in players that fit the system
 
Ole did very well handling the freak injury situation today. It’s another strong game for him and adds to his case for the permanent job for me.

Winning would have been absolutely unreal. Drawing with a clean sheet against that Liverpool team is a good alternative result.
 
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