No because Mourinho was a well established manager with a clear philosophy on how he liked his teams to play, pragmatically.
I’m well aware that Ole has managerial experience, but not at this level.
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No because Mourinho was a well established manager with a clear philosophy on how he liked his teams to play, pragmatically.
I’m well aware that Ole has managerial experience, but not at this level.
Anytime, not sure about your winning mentality though.
Would be easier for all if Poch fans just switched to Spurs.
Aye, it's a brilliant run of form in any context, but given how utterly shite we were this season until he took over it's been freakishly great.
Ole should play Sanchez behind the striker(s) and see how he performs. Seems like the best bet for Sanchez to regain his confidence.
I’m loving the dugout celebrations since Ole took over. All the staff celebrate together. There is a real sense of unity there. No throwing or kicking water bottles to make himself the centre of attention.
I’m loving the dugout celebrations since Ole took over. All the staff celebrate together. There is a real sense of unity there. No throwing or kicking water bottles to make himself the centre of attention.
I will play my best eleven in carling cup matches, is that okay for you?
I will have to check with our resident "winning mentality" experts.
Seriously though, it's good that whole club is united. Players, coaching staff, everyone. It's such a change from December.
I think he’s already been given the job behind the scenes and plans are already being made for the summer transfers.
Win, lose or draw against Liverpool, the job is his in my eyes, he’s absolutely bossed it. He’s so young, modern and forward thinking. Couple that with his tremendous legendary history he had with the club, how he’s always been one of ours makes this potentially as good as Pep at Barca.
With Mourinho, LVG, Moyes, coming up against Liverpool with injuries in major areas, I’d have no confidence we can change our tactics to suit the game and the opponent. Ole, I just think he’ll have something up his sleeve.
The guy has kept clean sheets in Spurs & Chelsea’s back yards m with the likes of Smalling, Jones and Young. He’s getting the absolute best out of our players.
Roll on Sunday
Win, lose or draw against Liverpool, the job is his in my eyes, he’s absolutely bossed it. He’s so young, modern and forward thinking. Couple that with his tremendous legendary history he had with the club, how he’s always been one of ours makes this potentially as good as Pep at Barca.
With Mourinho, LVG, Moyes, coming up against Liverpool with injuries in major areas, I’d have no confidence we can change our tactics to suit the game and the opponent. Ole, I just think he’ll have something up his sleeve.
The guy has kept clean sheets in Spurs & Chelsea’s back yards m with the likes of Smalling, Jones and Young. He’s getting the absolute best out of our players.
Roll on Sunday
Found our zidane.
Wasn't trying to score points really. Just pointing it out. Cardiff aside, he's won trophies during all his stints, I think, and whilst that was reserve football for us and a lower-standard league in Molde, it shouldn't diminish the achievement. The level your team are playing at dictates, to an extent, the quality of those players you can recruit and those players of teams around them too.
I dont accept this he has plenty of managerial experience, has won titles as a manager, as a legend at the club the players listen and trust him and knows what it takes to win at the highest possible level. All the staff deserve praise but Ole is definitely driving it the most especially match tactics
Ashley Young has been shockingly bad on quite a few occasions already, whereas Mata only had the first good performance yesterday. Lukaku is very consistently an underperformer. Additionally, there are problems with Andreas Pereira and Fred, and Valencia we even forgot about.
That said, with several players he is quite far from their absolute best to be honest, so enough room for further improvement.
Certainly, it doesn’t nullify the fact that many other players improved drastically, and some of the underperformers are simply not good enough to play the game of football at the required level - but OGS’ system not just improved some players, it also exposed the shortcomings of the squad at his disposal
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No I didn't think you did, I just thought maybe I missed the point he was making so wanted to make it right. But yeah you are absolutely right. It shouldn't. But also especially at Cardiff I think he got to experience that, and learnt that part. He wanted to create his own United sort of, a PL team in his image, but they didn't believe in him, and he took that one on the chin instead of sulking and tried to do what they thought they wanted. Cardiff got it exactly how they wanted it though, they took the route of a standard physical Championship team and is where they are because of it. Can't say it didn't work out for Ole either tbf to the guy
Cardiff guys has to wonder what could have been, but he was never properly financially backed anyways so he probably couldn't have done something of a "Eddie Howe" even if their fans actually believed in him. If he had the money and time to build he probably would have done alright, but some managers are just big time I guess. Some people just belongs at United and thats it.For me there should only be two candidates for the job, OGS and Pochettino. No-one else offers anything like as good a fit.
Both OGS and Pochettino have lots of attractive qualities, and many of them overlap.
OGS:
Is already here and is doing well
Plays attacking football
Backs young players
Is improving players like Rashford and Martial
Has already started to get rid of those who don't really fit
Has a close relationship with Fergie, which is great for ensuring continuity before we appoint a DoF
Pochettino:
Has got a consistently excellent track record elsewhere
Has qualified for the CL several times (which, in reality, is a bigger achievement than winning the FA or League Cup these days)
Plays attacking football
Backs young players
Has proven himself able to make good transfer decisions
I'd still go for Pochettino, just because of his track record and the fact that he's got plenty of experience in the CL. This appointment is absolutely crucial for us so I'd go with the more proven candidate. But if Pochettino doesn't want the job I'd take Solskjaer without hesitation.
Both OGS and Pochettino have lots of attractive qualities, and many of them overlap.
OGS:
Is already here and is doing well
Plays attacking football
Backs young players
Is improving players like Rashford and Martial
Has already started to get rid of those who don't really fit
Has a close relationship with Fergie, which is great for ensuring continuity before we appoint a DoF
Pochettino:
Has got a consistently excellent track record elsewhere
Has qualified for the CL several times (which, in reality, is a bigger achievement than winning the FA or League Cup these days)
Plays attacking football
Backs young players
Has proven himself able to make good transfer decisions
I'd still go for Pochettino, just because of his track record and the fact that he's got plenty of experience in the CL. This appointment is absolutely crucial for us so I'd go with the more proven candidate. But if Pochettino doesn't want the job I'd take Solskjaer without hesitation.
Agree 100% with this. He was unbelievable last night/
Most of the PSG was down to bad luck, primarily the injuries and the crap referee. OGS dud let himself down with the subs though, the lack of pace cost us in the 2nd
As far as I'm concerned, managers are allowed to mistakes and that game should not be a serious cause for concern.
So far I'm very happy with OGS, my only criticism is his currentlyblsvk of game time to our promising academy players, particularly how he has put some senior players as square pegs in round holes. I still have faith in OGS overall though and also that he will eventually give youth a proper chance
I enjoyed reading this post. Nice to see an experienced view that spans multiple decades
We will probably get an excellent 20 - 30 years out of him before you have to worry about that
Almost all the players have improved under Ole. Only Sanchez has stayed the same, while Lukaku has regressed.
This style of play is very attractive and I would be interested to see what he can do with proper FBs and a RW. Though my heart bleeds for Poch at times, we obviously cannot overlook Ole when he is executing the job to near perfection.
This style of play is very attractive and I would be interested to see what he can do with proper FBs and a RW. Though my heart bleeds for Poch at times, we obviously cannot overlook Ole when he is executing the job to near perfection.
11 years experience including Manchester United reserves (3 years)
He fecks over Liverpool and its a done dealio. Contract signed post match. Balloons, fireworks, the lot. Come on Ole!
T-shirts of support as well?
'Anyone could've done it' Paul Ince
Think that was his best yet. A comfortable win at the Bridge... when does that ever happen to us? He's gone to London and won away to Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea in the space of about 30 days.
Tactically flexible. Loved the 4312 last night. Herrera was brilliant and ironic that he scored the opening goal because under Jose he is man-marking Hazard and not allowed into the Chelsea box at all.
Anyone know who's idea it was to bring in Ole? Massive credit there. Sometimes things just fit. When a manager has that unique understanding of a club, Pep and Barca, Zidane and Madrid, Simeone and Atletico, special things can happen. Obviously it doesn't work in every example but lets hope we get lucky for once and Solskjaer is that man for us where everything just clicks.
Tactically flexible. Loved the 4312 last night. Herrera was brilliant and ironic that he scored the opening goal because under Jose he is man-marking Hazard and not allowed into the Chelsea box at all.
Anyone know who's idea it was to bring in Ole? Massive credit there. Sometimes things just fit. When a manager has that unique understanding of a club, Pep and Barca, Zidane and Madrid, Simeone and Atletico, special things can happen. Obviously it doesn't work in every example but lets hope we get lucky for once and Solskjaer is that man for us where everything just clicks.
Let’s put it this way - Ole is more experienced than Pep was when he took over Barca or zidane when he took over Madrid
Play attacking football - Check
Scoring loads of goals - Check
Fix the away form - Check
Never die attitude even when losing - Check
Able to go toe to toe with the best teams - 3/3 so far (Arse, Chel, Spurs away Away) - Check
Bounce back after a loss - Check
Show tactic flexibility during games - Check
Apart from the way he set up against PSG (and being unlucky with injuries) he's done extremely well. However, we have absolutely no need to give him the contract right now and shouldn't. He's obviously our best option right now but lets just see how the season plays out.
The remaining test is can he build a team by signing the right players or will we have another LVG, Moyes and Jose (Yes he had awful signings too). This is where we need a director of football I feel.
Scoring loads of goals - Check
Fix the away form - Check
Never die attitude even when losing - Check
Able to go toe to toe with the best teams - 3/3 so far (Arse, Chel, Spurs away Away) - Check
Bounce back after a loss - Check
Show tactic flexibility during games - Check
Apart from the way he set up against PSG (and being unlucky with injuries) he's done extremely well. However, we have absolutely no need to give him the contract right now and shouldn't. He's obviously our best option right now but lets just see how the season plays out.
The remaining test is can he build a team by signing the right players or will we have another LVG, Moyes and Jose (Yes he had awful signings too). This is where we need a director of football I feel.
It would be nice if people could just support the current manager until it’s official as to who our next permanent is instead of constantly pining for a manager from another club. The great Pochettino love in currently happening, despite our current manager working miracles, is uncomprehendable.
‘Not at this level’ - this makes me laugh. As if Solskjaer has been managing pub teams for the last 10 years.
Pretty sure he has also managed more games in European competition than other managers being linked to the job.
It’s a weak argument that people who have no knowledge outside of the PL through up. Baffling.
I really thought everyone would get behind Ole. I understand how divided fans were when Mourinho was in charge, I completely got it. But I'll be disgusted if Ole gets the job and there's certain parts of our fanbase still crying out for Poch and going on about the boring bloke.
You’re right in that MP has that experience that OGS lacks. Luckily we have them both working in tandem now!
Absolutely nothing wrong with how he set us up against PSG. Tactics had little to do our defeat.
'Anyone could've done it' Paul Ince
Give it Incey until end of the season.
Yeah it’s mad thinking, like I say pep and zidane never would have managed and broken records if everyone thought like that. Sometimes you just have to recognize what’s right in front of you
All I'm seeing is fans begging for him to be given the job when we've still got three and a half months of the season left and are under absolutely no time pressures.
It's so funny to see how people are judging Ole for not using so called youngsters.
In Molde his team almost had the lowest average age of all the teams. He actually got some of the young ones playing so good that it became a problem in the press. And it became such a big problem that it probably costed Molde so that they didn't win the title this year.
It became a disturbance cause of how his very young striker played. Molde was by far the best team the last season. But they had a little down period in the summer if not they would have won the leauge. I also see that many here is talking down the Norwegian league as utter crap.
The fact is that we had several teams in the Europa league and some of the teams played several good matches. Solskjær have won his titles in crappyer leauge than premier league but he has still won. He has made he's team stay the best over 26 matches two times. He built those teams himself and that means that he know how to make winners.
Molde had never won the leauge before. If you can win in a crappy league you can also do the same in a bigger leauge. There are players and managers which comes from worse leagues all the time in front of every season in the premier league. Some makes it and some don't.
Solskjær is a winner that's a thing that some people have. You can't train to have that gene, it's just that some people have it.
I'm also really tired of seeing people taking up Cardiff all the time. He did one mistake in Cardiff he should not have taken that job because the entire club was a madhouse at that time. Vincent tan made that club a mess. I'm sure that the top 5 best managers would not have managed to keep Cardiff up much because of the owner. So stop talking about Cardiff cause MP, Guardiola non of them would done any better.
Personally i think the reason he took the Cardiff job was so that he would get experience so he one day could become manager for Manchester United.
There are a lot of good Norwegian football players out in the different leagues in europe at the moment. So it's not like we are San Marino or something. I would even recomend a cb called Kristoffer Ajer wich has taken Van Wijks spot in Celtic he is insane good. Could be the next Ronny Johnsen for United.
In Molde his team almost had the lowest average age of all the teams. He actually got some of the young ones playing so good that it became a problem in the press. And it became such a big problem that it probably costed Molde so that they didn't win the title this year.
It became a disturbance cause of how his very young striker played. Molde was by far the best team the last season. But they had a little down period in the summer if not they would have won the leauge. I also see that many here is talking down the Norwegian league as utter crap.
The fact is that we had several teams in the Europa league and some of the teams played several good matches. Solskjær have won his titles in crappyer leauge than premier league but he has still won. He has made he's team stay the best over 26 matches two times. He built those teams himself and that means that he know how to make winners.
Molde had never won the leauge before. If you can win in a crappy league you can also do the same in a bigger leauge. There are players and managers which comes from worse leagues all the time in front of every season in the premier league. Some makes it and some don't.
Solskjær is a winner that's a thing that some people have. You can't train to have that gene, it's just that some people have it.
I'm also really tired of seeing people taking up Cardiff all the time. He did one mistake in Cardiff he should not have taken that job because the entire club was a madhouse at that time. Vincent tan made that club a mess. I'm sure that the top 5 best managers would not have managed to keep Cardiff up much because of the owner. So stop talking about Cardiff cause MP, Guardiola non of them would done any better.
Personally i think the reason he took the Cardiff job was so that he would get experience so he one day could become manager for Manchester United.
There are a lot of good Norwegian football players out in the different leagues in europe at the moment. So it's not like we are San Marino or something. I would even recomend a cb called Kristoffer Ajer wich has taken Van Wijks spot in Celtic he is insane good. Could be the next Ronny Johnsen for United.
No manager in the world would have came in and achieved the same results. Im certain of it.
I read today that Paul Merson belives the Liverpool game is key to OGS's future in Manchester United.
"Win against Liverpool and that will give Ole a shot at the job".
I've heard this phrase by pundit in front of every single hard game so far. Tottenham away? Win. "But Arsenal will be the real test" Win. "But PSG Will be the real test" 2 key players injured at half time (0-0). 0-2 loss. OGS is flawed, should have played the youngsters bla bla. "The Chelsea game will be key for OGS". Win. "The Liverpool game will be key!!" ...
And so it keeps going. Moving the goalpost every single week to have something new to talk about.
Regarding the youngsters there's a very good point there, but there's a huge risk assesment that comes into play. Playing in the PL for Manchester United is absolutely crucial. We've just managed to make up an "impossible" amount of points, and playing the younglings in important games like that comes with a huge risk factor. We should remember that the final 11, however decided by OGS, comes after deliberation with the entire coaching staff. Even the subs that come on are dicussed and agreed on in concensus by the staff. Ole makes the call, after thorough input.
Anything short of an absolute meltdown and loss of a PL spot can jeopardize Ole's chance at retianing the manager chair for the next season at this point. He is just too popular among the bulk of the fans, and most importantly the players. What Pogba said after the game yesterday is going to carry a lot of weight. Smalling came out and said he wants Ole as the manager, and so has a lot of the players. There is a united consensus that the players thrive under the current management, and they are not going to change that with a new commodity if the formula is working.
Manchester United is special in its culture, from the long reign of Sir Alex to the legendary people that have been in the club the past decades. The club is all about home grown men, and home grown men should lead the club forwards.
It is i my belief that Ole will be announced as the next manager of Manchester United after the season ends, or before it ends if the CL spot is secured. What we should be curious about is: Who is going to join him on the bench next season? Will Mike Phelan be back? Or will Ole bring his own men? And if so, who?
And for the Pochettino fans, Oles team has absolutely trashed Poch's team on the table since he came here.
"Win against Liverpool and that will give Ole a shot at the job".
I've heard this phrase by pundit in front of every single hard game so far. Tottenham away? Win. "But Arsenal will be the real test" Win. "But PSG Will be the real test" 2 key players injured at half time (0-0). 0-2 loss. OGS is flawed, should have played the youngsters bla bla. "The Chelsea game will be key for OGS". Win. "The Liverpool game will be key!!" ...
And so it keeps going. Moving the goalpost every single week to have something new to talk about.
Regarding the youngsters there's a very good point there, but there's a huge risk assesment that comes into play. Playing in the PL for Manchester United is absolutely crucial. We've just managed to make up an "impossible" amount of points, and playing the younglings in important games like that comes with a huge risk factor. We should remember that the final 11, however decided by OGS, comes after deliberation with the entire coaching staff. Even the subs that come on are dicussed and agreed on in concensus by the staff. Ole makes the call, after thorough input.
Anything short of an absolute meltdown and loss of a PL spot can jeopardize Ole's chance at retianing the manager chair for the next season at this point. He is just too popular among the bulk of the fans, and most importantly the players. What Pogba said after the game yesterday is going to carry a lot of weight. Smalling came out and said he wants Ole as the manager, and so has a lot of the players. There is a united consensus that the players thrive under the current management, and they are not going to change that with a new commodity if the formula is working.
Manchester United is special in its culture, from the long reign of Sir Alex to the legendary people that have been in the club the past decades. The club is all about home grown men, and home grown men should lead the club forwards.
It is i my belief that Ole will be announced as the next manager of Manchester United after the season ends, or before it ends if the CL spot is secured. What we should be curious about is: Who is going to join him on the bench next season? Will Mike Phelan be back? Or will Ole bring his own men? And if so, who?
And for the Pochettino fans, Oles team has absolutely trashed Poch's team on the table since he came here.
We know how Mourinho has dealt with that, ten players tucked behind a tight paywall and Lukaku as the only outlet. It has led to some good results at the expense of all and anything that resembles football and why it became a world sport.
A problem now is that Liverpool now are better, but also have, if not a plan B, more strings to their bow. VVD pushing up adds aereal threat, they are more comfortable defensively. And they are good enough to open an established backline with their combinations.
Mata I think has shown he is not so press resistant playing centrally, so I think we are exposed when carrying the ball
In midfield. A counter attacking game might suit us, playing like we did away to Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea.
Two wide forwards may once again be a good way to pin their full backs and drag VVD out.
His away record against Big Six sides now reads 3 for 3. Impressive stuff.
I was frustrated seeing the line-up, thinking Mata was on the fecking right again. But I was happy to see that it was a 4-4-2 diamond with Mata behind the strikers, and what a performance from him and everyone behind him really. Particularly Mr Herrera, LVG and the 'Finished One' totally undervalued him and never fecking played him.
For me, Herrera is playing like the best B2B midfielder in the world. He's all over the pitch, making tackles in his own box and scoring at the other. He's out of contract in the summer also, we have to get him renewed as a matter of urgency. As far as OGS, he has earned the job already, but the board should keep the players hungry and not announce anything until the end of the season. Chelsea will be damaged mentally, we have the initiative to really solidify top 4 now. Starting with the scouse this weekend, LETS DO EM'!! we are the most in form team domestically and we can challenge anyone on our day. Keep going lads we're all loving this!!
For me, Herrera is playing like the best B2B midfielder in the world. He's all over the pitch, making tackles in his own box and scoring at the other. He's out of contract in the summer also, we have to get him renewed as a matter of urgency. As far as OGS, he has earned the job already, but the board should keep the players hungry and not announce anything until the end of the season. Chelsea will be damaged mentally, we have the initiative to really solidify top 4 now. Starting with the scouse this weekend, LETS DO EM'!! we are the most in form team domestically and we can challenge anyone on our day. Keep going lads we're all loving this!!