By that logic doesn't that mean that we should stop doing what we have been doing? Which is finding the best professional manager available and make them come here and hope they replicate their success in other clubs here as well where there's gonna be a lot more responsibility, scrutiny, and pressure? Ole is what we haven't been doing, which is hiring people who understand what it takes to manager Manchester United.
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By that logic doesn't that mean that we should stop doing what we have been doing? Which is finding the best professional manager available and make them come here and hope they replicate their success in other clubs here as well where there's gonna be a lot more responsibility, scrutiny, and pressure? Ole is what we haven't been doing, which is hiring people who understand what it takes to manager Manchester United.
I heard literally the same things said about LvG and Mourinho (and I liked Van Gaal). I'm not buying anymore.
The state of this thread at time.
I've always been more circumspect than most on here when it comes to Ole.
Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and if he carries on this form i'd be delighted to see him get the job but we need a manager that'll take us to another level and i'm not 100% convinced Ole is that guy.
Still, last night does not reflect on Ole whatsoever. He took over in late December, he's done a fantastic job so far but we came up short against one of the best teams in Europe.
Just imagine if Ole gets the job full time and we hit a rough patch. It'll make Wenger in vs Wenger out look like a polite disagreement.
I've always been more circumspect than most on here when it comes to Ole.
Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and if he carries on this form i'd be delighted to see him get the job but we need a manager that'll take us to another level and i'm not 100% convinced Ole is that guy.
Still, last night does not reflect on Ole whatsoever. He took over in late December, he's done a fantastic job so far but we came up short against one of the best teams in Europe.
Just imagine if Ole gets the job full time and we hit a rough patch. It'll make Wenger in vs Wenger out look like a polite disagreement.
Well what we haven’t done is got a attack minded coach, Ole is the first manager we have had who plays attacking football post Sir Alex. I mean who’s to say Pochettino, Zidane even someone like Marco Rose wont have us playing even better than ole has.
I dont understand why you think Ole understands what it takes to manage at Man Utd. How so? Because he used to be a player here?
Pochettino is the antithesis of LVG and Mourinho. Only similarity is with LVG in how he would give youth a chance and develop them. However, Pochettino is more dynamic with his philosophy and is a much more better man manager. LVG is a 1/10, whereas Pochettino is 10/10 in regards to this characteristic.This.
How do you think Pochettino would have got on last night?
Let's see how he attacks Dortmund tonight . Pochetino has been building a squad for much bigger time and still come short everytme he got tested.
And sanchez is complety finished- no manager will do him anything.
Great post, buddy. I've given up saying similar. It's mistake after mistake on a wave of blind optimism at the club at the moment.
Dortmund will be a big test and even though they are no Manchester United, they will provide a challenge to a weakened Spurs side without Neymar(Kane) and Cavani(Ali). Even though, Tuchel has better option to choose from, Spurs has showed in the league that they can still get result without two of their star man missing. The key to Spurs victory will be whether the players will take their opportunity and not squander them like they did against United.
I think some people are also underestimating the effect of getting rid of Mourinho and the toxic atmosphere he created. This has given the players an extra bounce.
Lets look back, when Jose left Chelsea first time they went on to the champions league final and lost by a slip by John Terry. When he left Madrid the next season they went on to win the Champions league. When he left Chelsea the second time they went on to win the league the following season.
There’s a credible trend here that when Mourinho leaves it give the players a boost and they start playing better.
I am not taking anything away from Ole as he has been fantastic we just need to consider every point very carefully before making a decision.
Lets look back, when Jose left Chelsea first time they went on to the champions league final and lost by a slip by John Terry. When he left Madrid the next season they went on to win the Champions league. When he left Chelsea the second time they went on to win the league the following season.
There’s a credible trend here that when Mourinho leaves it give the players a boost and they start playing better.
I am not taking anything away from Ole as he has been fantastic we just need to consider every point very carefully before making a decision.
Some seem to have forgotten where we come from and are only focused on where we should be. Should we be competing and beating the best sides in Europe, sure, where were we though before he took over? in no man's land.
We had Mourinho do one of the worst managerial stints ever seen. Before him we had a team not to interested in attacking. Just this season people thought top 4 was an impossibility. Why tear our manager down for not beating quality side?
Some are saying we'll learn alot from our match against Pool. Did you see the match against Pool that got Jose fired? These sides are better than us. Losing to them is no slight on our manager. Losing to sides we should be beating would be.
I'm at a loss to see what a better manager would have done last night after those injuries with this squad.
We had Mourinho do one of the worst managerial stints ever seen. Before him we had a team not to interested in attacking. Just this season people thought top 4 was an impossibility. Why tear our manager down for not beating quality side?
Some are saying we'll learn alot from our match against Pool. Did you see the match against Pool that got Jose fired? These sides are better than us. Losing to them is no slight on our manager. Losing to sides we should be beating would be.
I'm at a loss to see what a better manager would have done last night after those injuries with this squad.
I hate to say it, but Jose probably could have got us a draw last night. I’d still swap him for Ole a thousand times over though.
I know you won't like this but LvG was considered a very attack minded coach when we hired him. More so than Pep even. Actually Van Gaal's big criticism of Pep was that he was too defensive! (At least it was when we appointed him. Now he says Pep can only attack and not defend
)So the idea that we haven't hired an attacking minded coach is solely with hindsight. And you could very well be saying the same about Poch. After he guts most of this squad and replaces it with his own deadwood that is.
LVG was an attacking manager, we just didn't have the players to make his brand of football successful, thus it was dreary death by a million passes. Lack of quality in the attacking areas killed any hope of his tactics working.
Honestly, having him on a 6 months long audition is a pretty rare luxury if you ask me. Some people use his lack of top flight manager experience as a stick to beat him with, Mou had that in spades and look how he fared with us. I'll happily admit that i am pretty biased towards Ole, but i try to be reasonable as well and want i want most is getting the club back on top where it belongs, regardless of who sits in the dugout. Could be Piers Morgan as long as we win and play good football,not really though, hes a cnut
That being said, its a bit unfair to prescribe 10/12 wins too good mood alone. No doubt Jose was a venomous twat and him leaving must have felt good for the likes of Pogba and Rashford, but the way players have described Ole in interviews proves they like him, respect him and are motivated. If he was a clueless twat i doubt we would have this positive vibe. Beating the crap teams is an important part of the job as well, leagues are won by the teams who manage to get scrappy 0-1 wins vs the bottom teams who rather engage in shithousery than play football
Bottom line, if Ole manages to keep up the good form in the league i think he should get the job over Poch for a couple of reasons.
1) He has shown he can do well with us, which is more important than than stability with another club
2) Unless Fergie comes back, he knows the club better than any other manager. Hes also been pretty open and honest about still asking and listening to Fergie for advice, and that feels pretty reassuring
3) If he keeps up the good form and then gets binned over Poch, the pressure on Poch to deliver from day 1 will be completely unreal
We can't bin him off if he keeps up the good form for anyone, the pressure would be stupidly bad. Poch wouldn't last a month in that situation.
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I agree with most of this.
I think Ole is generally, a good manager. He got out done by Tuchel and that happens. Tuchel is probably a better manager at this point. But, I think he ultimately needs to be judged on his domestic ambitions first before we can safely judge him on his European exploits. If he takes us deep in the FA Cup and secures a Top 4 spot then a decision has to be made.
He had ample time and money to sign players to make his style of football work but nothing changed.
Jose from season 2, maybe
Jose from season 3, no chance
Starting to doubt him moving Sanchez, Lukaku and Mata on in the summer. Something we dearly need to do.
Not going to happen. We already have Darmian and Valencia to offload. Do you honestly think we will buy loads of players, leave alone expensive attackers in summer. Not going to happen
I'm not liking the talk of Tuchel schooling Ole at all.
We set up well yesterday. In the first half Herrera and Matic were tidying up nicely. We caused problems when Lingard and Rashford ran at the defence.
The injuries killed us. Their wing backs were free to push forward.
Even then, I feel their goals came from two mistakes. De Gea/Matic for the first and Bailly for the second. The only thing I slight ole on is the decision to start Bailly over Jones, but given Mbappes pace of was understandable.
PSG just have much more quality than we do in depth. Past our first XI we are lacking. We know this. They also have much more experience in Alves, Buffon, Silva and the snake.
Give ole the summer and bring in players who suit our plan A for depth.
We set up well yesterday. In the first half Herrera and Matic were tidying up nicely. We caused problems when Lingard and Rashford ran at the defence.
The injuries killed us. Their wing backs were free to push forward.
Even then, I feel their goals came from two mistakes. De Gea/Matic for the first and Bailly for the second. The only thing I slight ole on is the decision to start Bailly over Jones, but given Mbappes pace of was understandable.
PSG just have much more quality than we do in depth. Past our first XI we are lacking. We know this. They also have much more experience in Alves, Buffon, Silva and the snake.
Give ole the summer and bring in players who suit our plan A for depth.
I have no doubt Ole should and will get the job. No one else will have us playing better football.
Last night we tackled well. and did cause them problems. But they marked Pogba well so he was not as effective.
The injuries highlighted the fact we really do not have the depth in the squad.
Because PSG has quality players it was always a possibility they will score.
Last night we tackled well. and did cause them problems. But they marked Pogba well so he was not as effective.
The injuries highlighted the fact we really do not have the depth in the squad.
Because PSG has quality players it was always a possibility they will score.
Come on man, thats absurd. Sanchez has barely looked like a footballer for over a year, not even the Messiah can save him. Getting the best out of mediocre players should not be an issue for a United manager, he should focus on getting the best out of good players.
We hired Moyes on the premise that he had loads of experience and was adept at keeping a steady ship with minimal net spending. Poch is a better manager than Moyes, but there are some similarities here. Dont get me wrong I like Poch, i like his style, he carries himself well in interviews and hes managed to build a very good team on a small budget, and if our season collapses now then i will be fully backing getting Poch as a manager. His lack of silverware concerns me though. That Tottenham squad is a very talented one and they at least should have managed a league cup or an FA cup the last couple of years.
Also, this Spurs squad is absolutely no worse than the Wenger squad when he won 3 FA cups and made top 4 every season and was still pilloried for it. Yet Poch gets praises for a worse record. It maybe be because Arsenal started from title challengers and ended up that way and Spurs started from outside the top 4, however their situations are very comparable. Similar budget constraints.
Also there was a thought around here that Ole would be the "cheap" when and a "yes man" for the Glazers. Poch has been a yes man for Spurs all this while. so what makes people think he's gonna strat demanding funds from Woodward if and when he gets here?
Also there was a thought around here that Ole would be the "cheap" when and a "yes man" for the Glazers. Poch has been a yes man for Spurs all this while. so what makes people think he's gonna strat demanding funds from Woodward if and when he gets here?
Wishful thinking
Kids.
Personally I'd be happy enough if just Mata went and we got a decent RW player in to replace him, when you consider our need elsewhere in the squad it'd be a decent result this summer.
Lukaku will know he's back up, so if he's not happy then he can ask to leave, don't see it happening though, Sanchez is just a mistake, so we'll likely have to see it out.
He was found out yesterday. Jose would have beaten PSG or at least get us a draw. We beat Juventus on away goals and Juventus is regarded as a better team than PSG. Absolute disgrace we just capitalated.
I assume this is trolling. Shocked by the lack of white text
he has leverage if we are asking him to leave Spurs, and it’s guesswork but quite logical to expect he’d ask for assurances over his budget before committing
Spurs beat Real Madrid in a group stage game and then lost to Juventus in R16 who then were destroyed by Real Madrid in QF.
I don't think footy forums are for you pal.
I see some of the Pochettino brigade just couldn’t wait for Ole to slip up.
Pochettino list of turning good or average players into class talent is untouchable. Eriksen is an example of a good player that came to Spurs and Pochettino turned him into an even greater talent. Pochettino has not really been tested as much as a top manager at an elite club when it comes to managing elite players for the reason that he he developed most of his own rather than acquire them. However, Pochettino understand that the same motivation for a player who is on 10k wages should be the same motivation that a player on 200k which is to play for the club rather than the manager and that even though there are problems between their relationship, there should be something greater to motivate the players than just playing for the manager. This sort of mindset will help him manage the good players that comes with big ego.
It seems like not winning a trophy is a major concern for all of Pochettino doubters, but for me that is not a concern as when you see how much he has spend compared to his rivals and how well he is doing, it is only logical to assume that with a warchest at his disposal, his team performance will only improve and a trophy will follow. Put a Koulabily, Dembele and a Verrati into this spurs side and in a couple of season a trophy will follow.
You can list all the other mid table teams that has won trophies but as Poch stated, it only inflate their egos as they are now relegated or mid table team. The Moyes comparison is also a lazy one as Poch football aesthetic is much more pleasing and he has developed more notable talent than Moyes has with Everton. Performance wise Moyes never took Everton consistently to the champions league or to the champions league knockout stage.
I could understand and agree with the argument that Ole made some wrong decisions yesterday. But to talk as if Poch would not have made any is hilarious.
Almost like players on the bench being in the hottest form argument.
Are we dubbing them Poch FC yet?