Definitely my preferred scenario!
Not my most likely, more’s the pity. As per comment above re PEG game being continuation of a trend of underwhelming home performances. Delighted to be proved wrong, obvs.
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Definitely my preferred scenario!
Not my most likely, more’s the pity. As per comment above re PEG game being continuation of a trend of underwhelming home performances. Delighted to be proved wrong, obvs.
Lost to a better side with the gulf in quality unfortunately very apparent last night. However, that first half was very even until the two injuries killed our momentum, as I believe Ole set us up perfectly and if we grab a goal from a set piece early on, then the narrative is completely different. There was no tactical masterclass from Tuchel over Ole imo, they stayed compact in midfield and their ball retention is several levels above us, but that game was there to be won if the quality from previous games was on show.
Back the man in the summer and were on a level with that rabble.
Back the man in the summer and were on a level with that rabble.
Can we ban dickheads who have turned on Ole after one defeat?
Im not letting go of the dream. Nobody can make me.
Exhibit A, your honour.
(not that post, the one above it)
(not that post, the one above it)
This looks better.
This. To PSG no less, one of Europe’s best teams. What is wrong with people?
Think it is unfair to judge Ole after one game. Very unlucky with the injuries. I think Ole has done a great job since he has come in. It will be interesting to see how he responds to this defeat. Hopefully this will fire us up even more against the against Chelsea and Scousers and some people on here might start getting a bit more positive again. I think people should judge Ole come end of season.
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If we lost to Barca because Fletcher wasnt available, we can lose to PSG because Lingard went off."We lost to PSG because Lingard had to go off with an injury" - say that to the Caf a couple years ago
What has Ole done to you guys?
Always thought Lingard has been very underrated around here, good to see that more of you lot can see his importance to the team now too.
Pretty sure we'd done a lot better with Sanchez on for Martial if Lingard could play the whole 90 minutes.
I'd Love nothing but for him to be Fergie reincarnate and carry the torch of everything we know and love about the club. If a goldfish asked me - Id much prefer this to any sort of proven outsider coming in and fashioning his own version of United success.
In that sense, I have nothing but positive bias in wanting him to be the true bill.
The other shoe is that it would just be ludicrous to conclude beyond any doubt that this is indeed the case, on such a small sample, with such favorable circumstances, with so little experience at the top level. People being incredulous that there is skepticism are in cuckoo land.
In that sense, I have nothing but positive bias in wanting him to be the true bill.
The other shoe is that it would just be ludicrous to conclude beyond any doubt that this is indeed the case, on such a small sample, with such favorable circumstances, with so little experience at the top level. People being incredulous that there is skepticism are in cuckoo land.
Out of interest - and this has nothing to do with the content of your post per se. But why would a goldfish ask you that?
I guess because a goldfish is my go-to wish granting metaphor? I always preferred it to genies.
I had no idea goldfish granted wishes.
No wonder none of my dreams ever come true.
Thanks for sharing.
Yes, because both are/were good players in the team and way they play.
He nullified Pogba, and Ole had absolutely no answer to it - didn't even try anything to wrestle it back.
Literally did nothing to change shape and get Pogba some room.
Kept the exact same shape, but replaced Martial and Lingard with Sanchez and Mata...
Please remember that Ole joined halfway through the season with no pre-season to train the team. That he has managed to get the results that he has is in itself a bloody miracle. I am of course not sure how all things being equal Poch would do in a similar situation or for that matter who would produce better results with the team having had a full pre-season to infuse their strategy. But Ole has done very well .
Read @Pogue Mahone post above because he's said what I've suspected. We need to make a very good, rational decision this summer about the man to finally lead us back to the top. Ole was not considered that man just a couple of months ago, so I feel it's more wise to look at the situation without rose tinted glasses. Nobody has turned on Ole, they're just finally asking the questions that everybody should have been considering all along.
I guess this is slavo-centric more than universal then. It's a tale by Pushkin. I assumed it was much more culturally universal than it is.
Absolutely.
It's the classic fickle fan mentality..usually from those who haven't ever been to a game
Makes sense. Also possible others got the reference and it just went over my head.
My daughter went all out nagging for a goldfish a year or so ago, we refused to let her have one. The last 12 months havent been the best of my life. Im starting to wonder whether these two truths are somehow connected.
That’s 100% true. He also hasn’t signed a single player. For every other new manager we’d basically write off this season and reserve judgement until he’s done all the above. That’s what makes it such a fecked up situation. Ole is succeeding or failing in a really artificial, unrealistic scenario. So the appointment decision should really be made independent of results. Good or bad.
Are you Russian? I've forgotten this was Russian expression. Damn.
I do wonder what people think he should have done after such bad luck in losing the two guys central to the whole game plan.
We were right in the game at half time. Psg were harried and kept punting it out.
Rashford out wide, lukaku up top maybe? Lukaku has zero workrate though and is poor at holding it.
Change formation? Mess about with fred?
No, the only sensible strategy was what we did with players used to playing wide.
Simple truth is beyond the first 11 we have exceptionally low cover.
We can jiggle the centre backs and that really is about it
Get the kid a goldfish ffs. She’s not asking for a pony. What kind of monster are you?
Although, be warned, pet fish are gateway drugs to puppies. That’s my experience anyway.
He's being judged as if he's the full time manager which he's not, he was brought in along with Phelan to steady the ship, which was never intended to be a long term solution.
We have a puppy. Well, a dog now. That was the main reason we told her to whistle for the goldfish.
So you bypassed the cheeky spliff and went for crystal meth, straight out of the gate. Kudos.
Bit surprised how old he looks for his 45 years. He always had that boyish look but that's long gone...looks like he is about to enter his sixties.
I think an obvious change to most was Lukaku on rather than Mata, especially when you consider how terrible PSG were in defending through the air in games leading up to his. We were being overrun so a lofted ball to a target man who can knock it in behind seemed most apt for me anyway.
I think PSG saw Mata in particular and knew they could through more caution to the wind.
Bring Fred on and take charge of the midfield ? Surely a Pogba - Matic - Herrera - Fred is better than yesterday's PSG midfield, esp at home?
We were losing the midfield battle and it was pretty evident from the start. My only concern is when we were getting schooled , we literally did nothing until an injury forced .
I'm Serbian but we have some Russian literature in our curriculum. Can't remember when or how I've picked that one up though. The difficulty is that you never know how much of what you know seeped through to other cultures. If it were specifically Serbian I'd bet against anyone knowing about it, but I thought this was like Lolita or The Gulag Archipelago.
It's a learning experience for him too. How many European games has he managed? Not many i guess. He knew he should have shuffled things when it was not working. Our best bet is that he'll learn from these mistakes.
I hate goldfish. In my experience, they keep dying whether you feed them or not, and are not very exciting to watch. Your daughter will be even more disappointed with them if you introduce the fable element.
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I think that appointing Solskjaer as permanent manager based on two months is a ridiculous idea. I know it will be an unpopular opinion, but I do not think we have actually played that well in the games under Solskjaer. I believe if these performances happened under Mourinho there would be a lot more negativity on here (hell, there was massive negativity about us finishing second last season). The Tottenham game for me is a prime example: we only really created one chance and scored whilst Tottenham pinned us in our own half and had a load of chances that they spurned with poor finishing.
This was seen as a positive result on here, but had that been under Mourinho there would be massive amounts of negativity as there was following the win against Juventus this season. I just find there is a lot of moving of the goal posts regarding performances and this seems to be just because he is a club legend and caretaker manager. Solskjaer should be judged like any other manager and there should be no leeway.
Our performances have been really poor recently in particular. I thought we ok against Fulham (an atrocious team); we were really poor against Leiecester and Burnley; we were awful against PSG (This team should be creating at least one good chance, especially when PSG did not even play all that well). On top of that, we were also not great against Newcastle. I do not believe we have really had a standout performance under Solskjaer. We did well beating relegation fodder by a few goals, but again this seems to have dried up.
Regarding team quality, you have to remember that this exact team (minus Fred, which would be relevant if he actually played) were able to get 13/15 points against Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal and Liverpool in the second half of last season under Mourinho. The team is certainly not up to standard, but it is good enough to win against the other top teams and should be at minimum creating good chances against them.
This was seen as a positive result on here, but had that been under Mourinho there would be massive amounts of negativity as there was following the win against Juventus this season. I just find there is a lot of moving of the goal posts regarding performances and this seems to be just because he is a club legend and caretaker manager. Solskjaer should be judged like any other manager and there should be no leeway.
Our performances have been really poor recently in particular. I thought we ok against Fulham (an atrocious team); we were really poor against Leiecester and Burnley; we were awful against PSG (This team should be creating at least one good chance, especially when PSG did not even play all that well). On top of that, we were also not great against Newcastle. I do not believe we have really had a standout performance under Solskjaer. We did well beating relegation fodder by a few goals, but again this seems to have dried up.
Regarding team quality, you have to remember that this exact team (minus Fred, which would be relevant if he actually played) were able to get 13/15 points against Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal and Liverpool in the second half of last season under Mourinho. The team is certainly not up to standard, but it is good enough to win against the other top teams and should be at minimum creating good chances against them.
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One of my worries is Ole and his team have been very slow to react every time things haven't been going our way. In game management is so important especially at the top level.
I don't think Ferguson would have won last night. They were better. I like the honesty of Ole at the end too. Didn't attack our players like the other parasite would have. He just accepted they won on the night. Move on to Chelsea and hopefully we go into the return leg against PSG having learnt a little bit.
Whether Ole will get the job or not, we'll have to wait and see. I think give him to the end of the season and then make a decision. Even if it's just a rolling year to year contract he gets, I think we need to take it slowly with him.
Whether Ole will get the job or not, we'll have to wait and see. I think give him to the end of the season and then make a decision. Even if it's just a rolling year to year contract he gets, I think we need to take it slowly with him.
More than anything, I'd like to keep Ole just to see the summer clear-out. Getting a new manager will bring the "I want to see the players in action first" excuse and then we'll scramble for Alderweireld and pay double his release clause (somehow) for him on deadline day when it turns out that our defenders aren't good enough.
Ole, having been here for half a season, will have a clear idea of who he sees staying and who he sees leaving, with specific targets to replace them in mind.
The shedding of the deadwood has to be an ongoing project, because we'll be looking for players in the £50m bracket to replace the deadwood, and it simply has to start in the summer if we want to compete within two years. It's not as easy as some of you are suggesting, just dropping 20 players from the squad and replacing them with better players.
Ole, having been here for half a season, will have a clear idea of who he sees staying and who he sees leaving, with specific targets to replace them in mind.
The shedding of the deadwood has to be an ongoing project, because we'll be looking for players in the £50m bracket to replace the deadwood, and it simply has to start in the summer if we want to compete within two years. It's not as easy as some of you are suggesting, just dropping 20 players from the squad and replacing them with better players.
Tbh, We cannot really afford to take lot of these " learning risks". We need someone who is good enough and steady the ship . Losing is fine but the manner in which we lost is where the problem was. It was Jose all again.He looked really clueless.
Remember, Napoli and Liverpool got better results against a much better PSG team.
Ole has done great until now but next few weeks is extremely crucial. If we lose the big games same way as yesterday , we will have to say Ole is not ready to take over.