Heh, yes we do, but you're sat here only focusing on the negatives after we've just won 9 out of 10 with a group of players that you yourself is saying is not good enough. That's a bit funny.
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Heh, yes we do, but you're sat here only focusing on the negatives after we've just won 9 out of 10 with a group of players that you yourself is saying is not good enough. That's a bit funny.
Oh I do get you are not having a go at Old etc but don't forget ole was here for a good few years in the youth and reserves after retiring before leaving. Zidane retired and joined the staff and got the job but was never proven outside of Real and inherited that crazily talented squad
Leicester are the biggest game raisers in the league.
Getting 3 points there today is fantastic.
Getting 3 points there today is fantastic.
This is a very fair comment and you are right to remind everyone that Ole has managed to do a more than decent job with the players he has been given.
He has maximised the strengths and minimised the weaknesses and as an attack minded Coach, our defence looks much tighter.
Most importantly we are far more resilient and don't drop our heads anything like as much.
Furthermore, he has rescued our season which was going nowhere.
Its ok let them continue to moan whilst the manager keeps breaking records weekly.
Last match we battered Burnley yet lost 2 points, this match we were bad and came home with 3 points. C'est la vie.
You can't keep overanalyzing each match. Players are allowed to have bad performance sporadically. If a player is consistently bad or team is consistently playing bad then it is a matter of concern and need proper analysis.
You can't keep overanalyzing each match. Players are allowed to have bad performance sporadically. If a player is consistently bad or team is consistently playing bad then it is a matter of concern and need proper analysis.
Um. Don't get me wrong. I think Ole can do and will learn to do more to tweak a few things during the game.
But to say if he has to stand in the technical area to look like he has an idea is ridiculous. SAF used to sit way up to see the bigger picture of a game. Technical area has feck all to see to do anything for the game.
I do think that some people are impossible to please. I watched Leicester against Liverpool and Leicester could easily have won the game. Liverpool probably will win the league, or come very close. Therefore an away win today was a very credible result. If we hadn’t had a terrible start to the season we would be challenging for the league!
Another rather shitty performance. Lets see if we manage to improve in the next game and see in which direction the trend goes
Is this really that impressive given Ince would have got 10 outta 10? 
Don't see why fans are so negative on here. I think he has massively imoroved us defensively. He mentioned after the Spurs game that we need to defend better and he is getting the team to do that now.
He is an attacking coach - and hishis attack intent is showing in the team. However, he is also showing that he can get the team to defend a 1 goal lead. I thought it was lovely to watch. We just looked so much more organised than earlier in the season.
The win today will give the coaching staff a lot of pleasure. Hard fought and well defended. It's obvious that teams will have off days - but the points you pick then are the most important.
He is an attacking coach - and hishis attack intent is showing in the team. However, he is also showing that he can get the team to defend a 1 goal lead. I thought it was lovely to watch. We just looked so much more organised than earlier in the season.
The win today will give the coaching staff a lot of pleasure. Hard fought and well defended. It's obvious that teams will have off days - but the points you pick then are the most important.
No doubt about it, Ole's doing a tremendous job.
Comparing Ole with Zidane is like comparing Man Utd with Real. Each to their own but just like with Jose, I wasn't going to suggest he was the answer even after coming second or winning cups and getting to finals. Nor am I comparing Jose with Ole, I'm glad with what he's brought to the club but he's a risk non-the-less and I'd rather Poch as I believe he is the answer but Ole is a close second.
Ole has won far more silverware than Poch as a manager. Even considering that, our last two managers had a pretty sizable trophy cabinets and we all know how that went. Top managers dont grow on trees and everyone has to start somewhere.
We tried hiring outside "top managers" a couple of times now, maybe its time to try something different?
I too have concerns about the fact that the last few matches have been a slog and hope it's not going to become a perpetual event but having said that, the remainder of the season was not always going to be the blissful swansong we hoped it would.
One of the issues for me stems from the fact that the players are changing from a low tempo performance to a high tempo one and especially midway through the season. That is not an easy transition to make in such a short period of time. Add to that the fact that Ole is operating with a full squad but not one that can interchange regularly without a severe drop-off in quality. I feel that Ole has the bones of a first eleven which when playing with his system can destroy teams with rapid end-to-end progression. But simply put, there's very few players that can cover those positions with the same quality. And in a tightly packed schedule with a need for proper rotation as well as a lack of transfer movement, coming through this period with a ragged squad will probably mean having to suffer through edgy fixtures such as this. It's not what we always want but sometimes it's the only effective way to do it.
Let's face it though. Against Leicester away, I knew that this wasn't going to be an easy match. With their experience in high pressing and non-stop energy and not to mention the "gamesmanship" they aren't shy of employing, this was going to be a graft rather than beautiful football. Witness how they took points off Liverpool and might even have snatched a win. Getting out with a win here is a start.
Ultimately, I feel that if we want to see what Ole can do with this club, he'll need to be given a budget and be able to tear this squad apart and start again. It's a risky prospect I know but employing a new manager is never without its risks. At the end of the day, I just enjoy being able to watch football again.
One of the issues for me stems from the fact that the players are changing from a low tempo performance to a high tempo one and especially midway through the season. That is not an easy transition to make in such a short period of time. Add to that the fact that Ole is operating with a full squad but not one that can interchange regularly without a severe drop-off in quality. I feel that Ole has the bones of a first eleven which when playing with his system can destroy teams with rapid end-to-end progression. But simply put, there's very few players that can cover those positions with the same quality. And in a tightly packed schedule with a need for proper rotation as well as a lack of transfer movement, coming through this period with a ragged squad will probably mean having to suffer through edgy fixtures such as this. It's not what we always want but sometimes it's the only effective way to do it.
Let's face it though. Against Leicester away, I knew that this wasn't going to be an easy match. With their experience in high pressing and non-stop energy and not to mention the "gamesmanship" they aren't shy of employing, this was going to be a graft rather than beautiful football. Witness how they took points off Liverpool and might even have snatched a win. Getting out with a win here is a start.
Ultimately, I feel that if we want to see what Ole can do with this club, he'll need to be given a budget and be able to tear this squad apart and start again. It's a risky prospect I know but employing a new manager is never without its risks. At the end of the day, I just enjoy being able to watch football again.
Is this really that impressive given Ince would have got 10 outta 10?
Pfft. The guvnor would have won 11 out of 10.
The weird thing about this whole Ole discussion is that we have a manager who's won 9 out of 10 games - what is not to like as there's no way Poch will repeat this and all of a sudden after x games he'll be getting questions about why can't he repeat what Ole has done with the same players. No one has done this before and yet so many of us doubt the appointment after what's happened since Fergie left - myself included.
I agree today's performance was not good. Where I disagree with you and some of the others is that it is of any significance.
Away games in EPL are tough in general. And then this was against a top half of the table team. Who have been the biggest game raisers this season. So context is key. In these games results matter more than performances.
The reason I'm not worried is because I'm realizing even more that our squad is really short in quality when we play that more direct type of football. We have a first eleven and that's it, we don't have a 4th midfielder and attacker that can provide fresh legs that fits with the general gameplan. Every change that we make is a crucial downgrade.
Id still prob rather have Poch come in at this point. Love what he has done with the spurs players there before he got there, and what levels he has got them playing to. Think Ole was perfect to see this season out, but think club should be smart and go with Poch moving forward. Give that man some actual funds and watch what he can do.
Aaaaand City have beaten Arsenal. We’ve officially climbed.
Weird, I kept reading that we undid all our good work the past month with that draw against Burnley?
How anyone can moan is totally beyond me! Do they not remember what a depressing pile of steaming dung we were before Christmas? With the same players- players that were slammed on here- he has won 9 out of 10 games including three very difficult away games!
I would have loved for a lax away win against Leicester under Mourinho! Give the guy a break FFS
I would have loved for a lax away win against Leicester under Mourinho! Give the guy a break FFS
I believe if he gets us past PSG, that shouldn’t be an indicator that the board should not m bother with Pochettino. PSG’s best player will not be playing, so that makes them no stronger than a full strength Spurs side. I will like to see how United play against teams like City, Liverpool, Barcelona, Bayern and so on to analyze whether Ole can make us compete against the top side. Spurs which was the strongest team we faced absolutely hammered us in particular in the second half. I rather United be the team that is hammering opposition. Ole has done well in that regards against lesser opposition though.
Big win against Leicester. They gave Liverpool all kinds of problems and they love game raising. At best I knew it was going to be a smash and grab.
When we were winning comfortably the naysayers were saying they want to see how we react in adversity before giving due credit.
The last two games we've come back from being 2-0 down going into the 88th minute, and we've held on to a 1-0 victory away to a very difficult team while having quite an off day.
The naysayers surely got what they wanted, but no. Instead they focus on the fact that we played poorly.
Win comfortably - need a greater challenge.
Win uncomfortably - not good enough.
I think some people have simply decided they don't want Ole as they have their heart set on Poch.
The last two games we've come back from being 2-0 down going into the 88th minute, and we've held on to a 1-0 victory away to a very difficult team while having quite an off day.
The naysayers surely got what they wanted, but no. Instead they focus on the fact that we played poorly.
Win comfortably - need a greater challenge.
Win uncomfortably - not good enough.
I think some people have simply decided they don't want Ole as they have their heart set on Poch.
Agreed,the goalposts seem to shift every week. Not sure Ole or anyone could've done any better than he has since taking over
Aaaaand City have beaten Arsenal. We’ve officially climbed.
Weird, I kept reading that we undid all our good work the past month with that draw against Burnley?
Emotions here change with every match (at times, with every goal) - if someone told me, Mou would leave and the next manager will take us 2 points off top 4 - I'd take it any day.
Agreed. Although with Sanchez, Lukaku, Fred, Mata on the bench you wouldn't think so. The biggest problem is CM. Fred and Perreira I had thought were good enough to rotate but so far not so much.
What is the guarantee that Poch (or any other manager) will do that? Comparing this United side with Europe's elite is suicidal (for now)
Agenda much?
You're right about one thing. He shouldn't be judged on PSG, he should be judged on all the other games he's won and tactically outclassed the opposition manager, including Spurs.
If we beat Fulham we move into the top four...think back to our loss to Liverpool and let that sink in naysayers!
Poch or manager of similar quality has showed in their cv that they can compete against Europe elite. Pochettino went to Camp Nou this season and outplayed Barcelona and got the points necessary to advance them to the group stage. That is something you barely see when up against a team as dominant as Barcelona. Beside Barcelona, they have showed their class against similar opposition and have not consistently been rolled over when you compare the quality of both side. The season is still long and when we come up against Europe elite, I will like to see how United performs.
9/10 wins from he took over. He has done brilliantly for us regardless of results to come.
In only 8 PL games Ole already has as many victories this season as Jose did in the league. I don't think anyone in their wildest dreams saw this coming after the Liverpool defeat. He certainly has established a reason to be considered for the job fulltime.
If we don't appoint him there is no way he's going back to Molde. Just imagine the fuss on here if we get Poch (£40 million compensation) and 4 years later after several semifinals, Champions League appearances every season but no trophies we glance enviously at Spurs who under Ole have just won the Champions League to sit alongside their Premier League title and 2 FA Cup wins.
If we don't appoint him there is no way he's going back to Molde. Just imagine the fuss on here if we get Poch (£40 million compensation) and 4 years later after several semifinals, Champions League appearances every season but no trophies we glance enviously at Spurs who under Ole have just won the Champions League to sit alongside their Premier League title and 2 FA Cup wins.
Just the fact that we are within touching distance now is insane, isn't it? Considering how we looked as a team to think we've been pulled back into the mix is phenomenal. This is the kind of joy you get seeing an academy youngster take his chance...just the managerial version of it.
Loving this.
I m not arguing about that and no doubt he should be everyone number 1 or 2 to get this job position at the moment. I just want to see that United will not be pushed over when we play against Europe elite team like we were against Spurs who aren’t even among those top team.
What had Pep or Zidane won before ? Also, what has Poch actually won? I'm not saying Ole should be given the job yet. Give him time - what he has done with what he has is tremendous. Also, I can show you dozens (if not more) matches where Spurs have lost to lesser teams - doesn't prove Poch is not a good manager - over analyzing each result and comparing to established teams will do us more harm than good.
I think Ole has done amazingly well & is a realistic contender for the job.
However today honestly wasn’t good enough & we were fortunate to get a win. We should be striving for much better performance against Leicester- what was most worrying to me was we started really well for 10 mins but after that the players & the management team didn’t know how to get us back on top of the match.
A vital win today though so let’s hope we work out what went wrong today & perform better in the massive games coming up which will really see how close Ole is to the job.