Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4

Is Ole a good appointment?

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Rolaholic said:


He was nailed on to leave under previous management...God Bless you Ole you beauty you!
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Attacking football, Fellaini purged, Valencia not being offered a contract extension, Martial extended instead of sold, De Gea ready to commit long term.... suddenly the club gets it
 
Ole has gone 9 unbeaten, 8 of those are wins. Elsewhere under his stewardship he has presided over:

Getting rid of Fellaini

Martial tied down for his peak years.

De Gea looking likely to sign.

Youth being given a clear pathway too the first team.

Just put a two and a half year deal Infront of him now.
 
I want Ole to continue his revival.

Poch for the results he's got just doesn't produce football that is as entertaining.

Poch also doesn't get United. Poch is like a mini Wenger slow stale attacks, possessionball, and 4th place with no cups.

I'd rather boil a fart and eat it than sit and watch Poch take over at United with his slow possession football.

Poch is the kind of guy who would say he's implementing a 5 year project that's why he pretends it's okay not to win anything now.

At least with Ole he is implementing fast results, better football faster, and a better team spirit in quicker time.
 
Productive day for Ole today, signed up martial after breakfast then popped out for lunch with a board member (Gill is still a director)

 


Been hearing nothing but positives from the players in regards to Ole and his approach,it's looking more and more like the job is his to lose each week
 
For me, Solksjaer has already completed his objectives as interim manager:
1) Raise morale
2) Get us playing attacking football
3) Put faith in our young and talented players
4) Get some momentum going

To get the full time job though, I think he needs to do something special. It's unfair in a way, but for a PL unproven manager with only 6 months to make his case, he needs to achieve more than you would expect of a world class manager in the same situation.

Otherwise, the spectre of Poch, Zidane etc will loom large in Woodwards mind:
1) Get top 4
2) Win FA cup or Champions League
3) Prove to board he can succeed long term

It's a near impossible task, but people said that after 90 minutes in Barcelona, 1999. Go on Ole.
 
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Very happy with OGS so far, but I'm finding the attitude of some posters on this thread bizarre.

As great as he has been in the short time here, OGS is not infallible and is capable of making mistakes. Yes he had to rotate on Weds and with the benefit of hindsight, we were unlucky not to win. However, a couple of those selections were Ill thought through and made the job unnecessarily more difficult

I could perhaps forgive him for playing Lukkaku central and Rashford out left (breaking up what has been successful so far, to experiment, but Mata going on the right was unforgivable. Time and again it has been tried and failed, while OGS saw it directly himself v Newcastle. Aside from Mata's general limitations in the wide role, it just makes our right flank practically useless and makes it far easier to defend against. A bad decision and unacceptable to keep making the same mistake again. Starting Sanchez, or giving a chance to a youngster like Chong or Greenwood would have been better

Great start so far though and very happy with the change in play, entertainment and culture. Let's get through March and hopefully give him a full time contract
 
Bola said:
Very happy with OGS so far, but I'm finding the attitude of some posters on this thread bizarre.

As great as he has been in the short time here, OGS is not infallible and is capable of making mistakes. Yes he had to rotate on Weds and with the benefit of hindsight, we were unlucky not to win. However, a couple of those selections were Ill thought through and made the job unnecessarily more difficult

I could perhaps forgive him for playing Lukkaku central and Rashford out left (breaking up what has been successful so far, to experiment, but Mata going on the right was unforgivable. Time and again it has been tried and failed, while OGS saw it directly himself v Newcastle. Aside from Mata's general limitations in the wide role, it just makes our right flank practically useless and makes it far easier to defend against. A bad decision and unacceptable to keep making the same mistake again. Starting Sanchez, or giving a chance to a youngster like Chong or Greenwood would have been better

Great start so far though and very happy with the change in play, entertainment and culture. Let's get through March and hopefully give him a full time contract
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Agree with this, hope Mata on the right is done once for all, it's so obvious he can't play there!
 
I was just looking at the PL table and didn't realize how close we are in goals scored to Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool. Liverpool have only scored 7 more goals while Chelsea and Arsenal only have 2 more! That gap has been been closed these last 9 games, long may it continue!
 
Some interesting info from Mitten

Solskjaer has changed everything. He’s happier to engage with everyone from staff to fans to players. There’s only so much that one person can do, but he’s got good assistants around him and takes a back seat on the training field – like Sir Alex Ferguson used to do. One-time assistant coach Carlos Queiroz was surprised when, on his first day, “I was told to take the training session by myself. I felt like I was handed the keys to a Ferrari.” Fergie’s other lieutenants Brian Kidd, Steve McClaren and Mike Phelan can all relate to this and one of the criticisms of Ferguson’s successor, David Moyes, was that he wanted to do everything himself. With snow on the floor at Carrington, at least Solskjaer won’t have to worry about some cheeky charges like Ferguson had to. Striker Brian McClair was once happily marking “Fergie is a tw” into the snow at United’s old training ground, The Cliff, in two-metre-high letters when he heard his master’s voice telling him to stop in a Glaswegian brogue he knew well. A

Fergie often stayed upstairs during training and Solskjaer does likewise. He detaches because he rightly trusts the experienced Mike Phelan, plus Kieran McKenna and Michael Carrick. But Solskjaer communicates with all the players one-to-one and they feel like it’s a player talking to them – because he was one for so long. He is on the same wavelength as strikers, because he was one, and as the substitutes, because he was often one of those too
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'Fergie is a tw' :lol:
 
Stobzilla said:
Ole has gone 9 unbeaten, 8 of those are wins. Elsewhere under his stewardship he has presided over:

Getting rid of Fellaini

Martial tied down for his peak years.

De Gea looking likely to sign.

Youth being given a clear pathway too the first team.

Just put a two and a half year deal Infront of him now.
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Arguably better than winning the PL, no more long ball :lol:
 
Black Adder said:
Agree with this, hope Mata on the right is done once for all, it's so obvious he can't play there!
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100%. Ole would have been better of putting him on the left perhaps even, allowing Rashers to be central and Lukaku on the right.
 
Whats the meaning behind 'Fergie is a tw'? I just can't think of what 'tw' could be apart from trainwreck but that just seems kinda tame.
 
I've said this before, if he gets top 4 the job should be his. Simple as. He has done an amazing job here.
 
podurban2 said:
100%. Ole would have been better of putting him on the left perhaps even, allowing Rashers to be central and Lukaku on the right.
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Tbh I would rather Mata not starting at all. At most use him as a late bench option, but as a starter he just lacks quality.
 
Black Adder said:
Tbh I would rather Mata not starting at all. At most use him as a late bench option, but as a starter he just lacks quality.
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true that. Mata is a sub not starter.

If (or when) Ole gets permanent job, I don't see how mata fits in his direct attacking football system.
 
Phil Osophy said:
I find it strange to read some comments about the team or the line up, after a game that we fully controlled for 90 minutes. We've played worse than this in some games during our winning run, losing the control at some point and receiving waves of attacks. Yesterday we were in total control and messed it up in two isolated moments, but the players on the field and the overall performance should have been enough to get us the 3 points quite easily.

My only criticism yesterday would have been to bench Lukaku when we needed goals, against a team packing the box with tall and strong defenders. But we created our chances after that, scored two goals without him so it wasn't bad after all.

I praise Solskjaer for giving Pereira an honest chance, for all the good things it represents. First of all he tries to protect one of the players who came through our ranks, to see if it can work in the right context before losing him for nothing. A squad is never built only by buying world class players, so it's not a bad thing to try and take profit of the talent that emerges from the youth system. If every player was going to have a chance under Ole, Pereira shouldn't be different.

Secondly, he started Andreas the same day Fellaini seems to be close to leaving, exactly the opposite that would have happened under Mourinho. The way I see it, it's a clear message about the kind of team he's starting to draw. Class, technique, above the physicality. The offensive side above the defensive one. Without ignoring defending and the physical side of the game, of course, but priorities have changed. If Pereira doesn't respond well in the next months, I guess another one will come in the same or similar mould.

Also, we send a message to the youth players - they will have a chance if they show talent, discipline and the right attitude. It would be easier for Solskjaer or anyone else to bring a more experience player to the field or the typical workhorse to perform short term, and avoid silly mistakes like the one he did yesterday. But in the long term it's much better to leave some margin for the youth, and avoid a situation like City nowadays where they are losing shining talents for fun.

Solskjaer and the current staff seem to me like the kind of 'club people' who take care of the club interests above their own short term interests. For me things like these are invaluable, and give me confidence to imagine the likes of Gomes, Chong, Greenwood and Garner being introduced at some point.

This is why I think it's important to have some perspective when we don't win a game, because there's some people (I don't mean only this forum but in general) who gets upset very easily. Solskjaer is managing a team he hasn't built, nor he hasn't manage in a full preseason. A team that have been playing very differently to his principles. He needs to know the players deeply, how they are indoors and how they react in different situations of the game, or handling the pressure as well.

With all this considered, and the shitty season we were having where everything seemed lost in December, we find ourselves with 8 wins and 1 draw, enjoying offensive football after years of dross, and having positive expectations about the season and the future. Players like Pogba, Martial, De Gea looking to sign new contracts. To be honest I didn't expect nothing from the season, so I consider every positive thing an unexpected gift and we had many in the last month.

Of course I respect everyone's opinion but I don't understand those who come here just to say how he's doing this or that wrongly, and nothing else. Obviously every coach and player can be criticized, but if there's someone who deserves a big margin to try things and make mistakes, this is Solskjaer and the staff in the current situation. And it's not like they are doing many mistakes by the moment in my opinion, so hats off to them.
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Very good post. Sensible points. Thanks.
 
The match would look completely different if the squad players had several games earlier in the season. Lukaku should not start matches, but come in as a sub.
We need to buy a world class attacker, a midfielder and 2 CB!
Ole can't be held responsible for the tie, not Phelan either.
It is better with 1 point than 0!
 
JoseandMkhiarespecial said:
Poch is the kind of guy who would say he's implementing a 5 year project that's why he pretends it's okay not to win anything now.
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I think it’s most to do with the fact the he has had 500m less to spend on his squad than the likes of City and United. Minor details it’s not like being able to sign 5 Pogba level players would help would it?
 
Jose Jaime Eskauriatza said:
Excuse my ignorance (I've googled it too) wtf does Eboue mean that 10% of the vote is for?
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It is a long running caf joke that was originally the "E" option in a poll for example.

A) Yes
B) No
C) Maybe
D) Something else
E) boue

Emmanuel Eboue became a bit of a legend on here after a gif of him rolling around surfaced and a subsequent thread of "100 uses for Eboue" (or something similar) got created. It is in the classics, I suggest reading it.

But as a joke it has been used incorrectly here, like most caf jokes it has had its day.
 
Stobzilla said:
It is a long running caf joke that was originally the "E" option in a poll for example.

A) Yes
B) No
C) Maybe
D) Something else
E) boue

Emmanuel Eboue became a bit of a legend on here after a gif of him rolling around surfaced and a subsequent thread of "100 uses for Eboue" (or something similar) got created. It is in the classics, I suggest reading it.

But as a joke it has been used incorrectly here, like most caf jokes it has had its day.[/QUOTE


I thought Glaston was still a member :)
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Tiber said:
Attacking football, Fellaini purged, Valencia not being offered a contract extension, Martial extended instead of sold, De Gea ready to commit long term.... suddenly the club gets it
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It's like he's one of us, who has spent the last 5 years shaking his head along with us at our defensive, boring football as we kept playing average players. There's obviously a lot more to this managerial stuff than us twats know about, but in terms of personnel he's doing exactly what any other United fan would do.
 
I'm starting to warm to the idea of Ole as manager but I suppose the next test I need him to pass is whether he can learn from his mistakes

Mistakes were clearly made on Wednesday. That's fine, we all make them. Periera should not be playing PL games for Manchester Utd and Mata is not a right winger. It was probably tinkering for the sake of tinkering almost

However, previous managers have failed to learn and have continued to make the same mistakes over and over. Mata on the right would be out of vogue for a bit and then having tried a few other options we end up back there for a while. I'm hoping Ole will be brave enough to try things but decisive enough to quickly work out what doesn't work and not repeat those mistakes over and over
 
Bola said:
Very happy with OGS so far, but I'm finding the attitude of some posters on this thread bizarre.

As great as he has been in the short time here, OGS is not infallible and is capable of making mistakes. Yes he had to rotate on Weds and with the benefit of hindsight, we were unlucky not to win. However, a couple of those selections were Ill thought through and made the job unnecessarily more difficult

I could perhaps forgive him for playing Lukkaku central and Rashford out left (breaking up what has been successful so far, to experiment, but Mata going on the right was unforgivable. Time and again it has been tried and failed, while OGS saw it directly himself v Newcastle. Aside from Mata's general limitations in the wide role, it just makes our right flank practically useless and makes it far easier to defend against. A bad decision and unacceptable to keep making the same mistake again. Starting Sanchez, or giving a chance to a youngster like Chong or Greenwood would have been better

Great start so far though and very happy with the change in play, entertainment and culture. Let's get through March and hopefully give him a full time contract
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Perhaps in the Newcastle match Valencia was supposed to attack down the right, while Mata moved inside? It did seem strange that Lukaku and Mata played in positions where previously they had looked poor, maybe Ole just needed to confirm it? Mata should be, and has always been, in my opinion, a 10. Lukaku's best two games have been from the right, but even then not great, I just can't see a future at OT for either player, although Mata is classy, but wrong age. Was surprised that Jones replaced Bailly, but perhaps concerned about his fitness, he has had some injury concerns this season. Pereira could be a 10, not sure about him, would love to see him progress at OT, but will Gomes/Garner overtake him in pecking order?
 
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