Enjoy your return to your village
Fecking hell.. I’m taking some time off this place. I’m sure there is a village out there missing a lot of idiots.. Either way, that was nicely put!
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and Jim Solbakken
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Damming.
Maybe i do but this is topic which brings bad memories to me. Football in my country is ruined by football agents and managers who did business with them so i am little bit emotional about this (and i know that these things do happen).
My bad. He was making excellent points! ( in your world)
It's not damming if you read the rest of the replies:
People really need to fact check and/or do research before jumping to conclusions.
Im pretty sure the journalist did and he quotes another journalist. People really need to use common sense and realise that for a journalist to be tweeting this, quoting and linking to the work of another credible journalist, there has to be more then just rumours to it.
I'm not sure what you even mean. You just read the entire back and forth and the linked articles. I don't see any smoking gun in the report. A player was charged with rape, the club told Ole to play the player, the player was acquitted, Ole left, now the case is reopened, and he's been charged with raping the same woman twice on the same night. What exactly is "damming" to Ole? Unless you just really want this to be true I suggest you quit jumping to conclusions and actually read the reports.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of this the Mike guy on twitter is a gigantic cnut and one of the most irritating people I've ever had the misfortune of reading tweets from.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
Much of it was the same as the other one but in Norwegian. Might have been parroted, perhaps because they went into more detail in Norwegian than English? Think it was this one?
I don't think it makes a difference if its me or anyone else not in a government position of power. Ole being in football shouldn't make him more special from the point of view of the law. Being a public person doesn't give papers or the public the right to know everything about you either.
Where did the club tell Ole to play the player? Do you have a link?
The only thing I've read on the matter is the tweet below, which parts you have shared.
juventus played ronaldo
not much point saying what happened months / years after ole played him, pretending ole could see the future
if quintin fortune blew up a childrens hospital in 2040 i don't think anyone would blame SAF for signing him = timelines do matter
Ok my Norwegian is not the best, but if I'm not totally mistaken he's acquitted of the rape because it couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
But he was ordered to pay the women compensation anyway, because the judges ruled it was more likely than not he raped her.
I Romsdal tingrett ble fotballspilleren frikjent for straff, men han ble likevel dømt til å betale erstatning til den fornærmede kvinnen. Påtalemyndigheten anket avgjørelsen om frifinnelse.
Årsaken til at han ble frikjent for straff, men ikke erstatning, er at retten mener det er mer sannsynlig at det ble begått en voldtekt enn at det ikke ble det. I norske domstoler er beviskravet for straff strengt.
Link...
This was the third time he was accused of a rape (same link).
So Molde and Ole played him after this, which is pretty damning for sure and Ole should explain himself instead of hiding behind "the club decision". Weak...
But he was ordered to pay the women compensation anyway, because the judges ruled it was more likely than not he raped her.
I Romsdal tingrett ble fotballspilleren frikjent for straff, men han ble likevel dømt til å betale erstatning til den fornærmede kvinnen. Påtalemyndigheten anket avgjørelsen om frifinnelse.
Årsaken til at han ble frikjent for straff, men ikke erstatning, er at retten mener det er mer sannsynlig at det ble begått en voldtekt enn at det ikke ble det. I norske domstoler er beviskravet for straff strengt.
Link...
This was the third time he was accused of a rape (same link).
So Molde and Ole played him after this, which is pretty damning for sure and Ole should explain himself instead of hiding behind "the club decision". Weak...
I do think if he got punnished he should be able to play after that. Although he left the country to avoid court later right?
That shows a much more ugly side of things. From the player and the agent that helped him.
I posted it in the post you quoted (for the record I used the Google Translate chrome extension)
https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/i...--vi-har-valgt-a-stole-pa-ham/3423524548.html
Ole in August 2018 said:
CEO of Molde in August 2018 said:
So it seems the case was still ongoing and the club (the CEO confirms this) chose to play him. The player was acquitted but the judges ruled he was more likely did it than not (which is extremely weird IMO). He was released by mutual consent in the next transfer window.
I'm still failing to see what is damning. Maybe it's just the evil American in me, but if I was acquitted of criminal charges and my employer immediately fired me for these charges, I would sue the pants off them.
I was more meaning in the spotlight and filthy rich. If you are tax evading, the bigger the scale, the more serious it is IMV. Anyhow, thanks for the link mate.
Not sure what IMV means.
But yeah, tax evading isn't cool but it's one of the more understandable crimes. Takes time and manpower to look into it and individuals that aren't billionaires just aren't worth it when there's so many companies that you've got to look after. At least in the Nordics where companies don't get away with shit like Amazon and Facebook and what have you.
He put a link for you in Norwegian, right? It's clickable in his post. And I think it's pretty clear, unless Google translate is also part of a huge conspiracy... in this case, only legit Norwegian speakers will be able to help us understand the interview.
https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/i...--vi-har-valgt-a-stole-pa-ham/3423524548.html
If you pass it through Google translate, interview with Ole.
- What is the consideration behind letting him play?
- You have to ask that club.
- What do you think about it?
- I think ... It's just like with Erling (Braut Håland, who was standing next to Solskjær during the interview, ed. Note), he is one of my players. The club decides who is signed, who is eligible, so I take a team out of it.
- We will see when the case is finished, but we have chosen to trust the player and made the choice we have made, says Solskjær.
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He does not want to say anything more about what the club has done or how the player has been taken care of.
Earlier, Molde CEO, Øystein Neerland, has stated the following as to why they use the player:
- As is well known, one of MFK's players has recently been indicted in a criminal case. In this connection, MFK is made aware that the player and the offended have different versions of the course of events. The player believes that he has not done anything punishable. It is not up to MFK as a football club to decide on the course of events, and it is not up to MFK to pass judgment on the case. It is the court system that should do. Against this background, MFK will await the courts' handling of the case, before considering whether the incident will have any impact on the player's association with MFK. The player will meet at work and thus also be relevant for the team going forward.
He does not want to comment further on Nettavisen on Sunday evening.
The club tells you you have to play him and it's a "weak" decision from Ole? Have you seen the interview?
Club made him eligible for the squad, they didn't tell Ole anything. Ole can still choose not to play him. Have you read the article?
No. Common sense and fact based reasoning are completely different things. One is for idiots who want to jump to conclusions that support their opinion. The latter is for people seriously interested in the truth.
You are totally right. I thought about this last night after I posted and to be honest... if Ed can’t get fired even after all this and Ed likes Ole then nothing will happen unless Ed says...
total deviation but
Ed is the reason for all this. The glazers put the most money in (post Fergie) and have have seen the worst return. The answer: Ed
He’s literally ruining it for the glazers. The bastards.
He’s the last man standing though. Hes pulled the club apart but maybe that was needed. By most accounts we are way behind in lots of ways to better run clubs who are getting way more out of their players and their wage budgets.The only thing that gives me hope is I really believe the players that are being brought in now are fighters. Get one or 2 serious players and we are a good team again. Hannibal will be playing first team at a high level next year if he keeps going the way he is. Hes a greenwood level talent. This time next year we could be class.
Sorry I know I went way off course but I just want to say at least I can see a pattern to this building job. It could be really bad but at least it’s a plan that goes beyond 1 season. Just wish Woodward had planned for him being shit at his job for years.
if this shows up to be shady then sack ole. He will lose a load of money if he’s in breach of his contract but he’s shown himself to be fairly limited or too conservative. Get a better coach in and keep going. I much prefer the squad this year to last though. Just get rid of pogba if he doesn’t want to stay. Sell lingard. It’d be a totally different squad with 1/2 top quality additions and the youth being stocked up. We aren’t that far away
ole and this guy having read back over it all it seems just like in any industry. People making money in business off connections. Ole hasn’t done anything wrong since he got here and he took a few of his players into a relegation struggle with a different club and years ago? It was his first job. If ole was successful nobody would be mentioning this on here. We’d call it a good shout if it had come off.
Are Jim Solbakken and Jimmy Lumsden different person?
Our next signing. Watch this space.
So there's this article accusing Ole of tax dodging. I don't know if its true but if true it might explain Ole's efficiency in dodging any responsibility of the mess we're currently in.
https://tribuna.com/en/manutd/news/3528845/
https://tribuna.com/en/manutd/news/3528845/
Have to admit, Ole have skills in lip service I mean in giving press-conference/interviews. It was never him that was the problems or so he claimed, there's always "justifications" and always looking at the bright side of things.
He is the only manager I know who can come to a presser week after week and speak as if he just got the job 2 hours before the presser started. It's amazing how he can keep on speaking about us giving him 2-3 years (that time line doesn't decrease irrespective whether he does the interview today or last year), how the culture needs to change and will change under him and about fitness levels he aim to improve in due time. Ffs what the hell had he been doing all the time? Surely he wasn't coaching as we keep playing dreadfully
The guy lacks the hunger, the winning spirit, the vision and the tactical acumen sir alex had especially during the treble period. I sometimes wonder if the guy was coached by Sir Alex or if we used to send him to Anfield to be trained there. He certainly has the empty soundbites, the entitlement, this obsession with history, the cluelessness and the culture that the Liverpool of the time had.
I wish Cole and Yorke didn't had an off day in that dreaded CL final forcing SAF to bring our 4th choice striker in. We wouldn't have been in this silly situation
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There are so many faults within this post.
1. How often does he talk about "you" giving him 2-3 years? Are you in club managment or something?
2. Talks about fitness levels he aim to improve in due time? Please quote these, and how many times? He HAS already DONE that and if you can not see the difference vs. when he arrived you are blind.
2. Talks about how the culture needs to change. He HAS changed the culture, both the culture in the whole club, when it comes to atmosphere and the training/pressing etc. You can not see that?
3. Surely he wasn't coaching as we keep playing dreadfully? So the good performances, they are a result of pure luck? Beating City twice was luck? And injuries and lack of squad depth does not have anything to do with it? You really think any coach could have done much better with the available players, with Mata, Perreira, Matic etc in midfield?
4. The guy lacks the hunger, the winning spirit, the vision and the tactical acumen? Really? I have not seen many players with the hunger he had for winning. Lacks vision? how? Lacks tactical acumen? So he does not now how to convert tactics into reality in matches? are you blind? How did we manage 1 point vs Liverpool as the only club? Or beat City twice? tactics did not have anything to do with that? He has a great record vs the top 6. Nothing to do with tactics? He has his faults as anyone but tactically he is not inept. Not at all.
And last, wishing he never scored in the CL final 99. Some fan you are.
Show some respect, I would love to see some fans like yourself go head on vs Ole in a TV show. A duel. You would very soon find out how out of depth YOU are.
He keeps mumbling about culture and all the kind of crap that has nothing to do with our current situation while asking for time. On what basis exactly? Sure he inherited a weak squad but its not as shit as he portray's it to be. FFS this squad with all its 'deadwood' got to 2nd place not that long before. Were are we and his 'hardworking' squad are at the moment? We're now 7th after enduring the worst start since 1989.
Sure, the club is a mess at board level. His very appointment is a clear testament to that. However let's be real here.
a- He was the guy who blew 130m on 2 decent but far from world class defenders which meant that there was no money left for midfield
b- It was his decision to trim the squad to the ridiculous because he believed the kids were ready. Some of the deadwood he got rid off were good (ex Smalling and Lukaku). Some weren't and the most expensive of those is set to return and 'prove us wrong'
c- It was his decision to run the likes of Rashford and McT to the ground and to play Pogba in a meaningless game against Rochdale that broke him again. That's because most of the kids he thought they were ready (Periera, Garner, Chong, Gomes etc) weren't ready at all.
d- Everything from our poor coaching especially when dealing on set pieces, our poor tactics and our inability to win games is on him and the 'brilliant people' he surround himself with rather then the board
And yes, I wished that someone else would have scored in the CL of 99. That would have meant that he would be managing clubs of his own level rather then learning the trade with us.
Tax dodging in football is hardly a strange thing is it?
the 2 biggest stars in world football have been charged for the same thing. If they're up to it no wonder everybody else is. Who doesn't want more money?
the 2 biggest stars in world football have been charged for the same thing. If they're up to it no wonder everybody else is. Who doesn't want more money?
I’m “Ole Out” (whatever the feck these groupings mean) but there seem to be a ton who’s just waiting for any reason to have a go at Ole - not bothering understanding or fact checking etc.
It’s all a bit weird tbh. A United legend - who has his shortcomings as a manager (in my views anyway) - so criticize him for that, without trying to insinuate agent corruption/tax evasion schemes etc.
Every manager has close ties to agents in football - & in basically every other line of business (network is king). When Ole starts signing Solbakken players for United - who are not good enough for the club....then I’ll start questioning his sanity/relationship.
Reading this thread makes me wonder why some posters on here are so angry with ole. It feels as if ole shagged theirs WAG’s and pissed on their dessert at the same time while taking a dump in their shoes on his way out. There is no other explanation for people waiting to jump on him at every half chance that they are offered.
That's just so over the top, plus you do know Ole scored more than 1 goal for United right? How do you know he still wouldn't have the job? He still won 6 PL's so there's every chance without that 99' winner he'd still be manager. So you don't have to say ridiculous things like, wishing he never came on in the CL final.
That goal was what pivoted him from a super sub into a legend who deserved a chance to manage us. There is literally nothing in his cv that warrant that
. Also we would all be better if he wasn't considered as our manager. He would be managing to his level by now with molde. The only think that it would suffer is ole's pockets of course. I am sure that he is paid as the top manager that he isn't rather then the amateur level manager that he is
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You're going below the belt now, yes he's fecking up as manager but saying I wish he never scored that winner in 99 is a real low blow and disrespectful to say the least.
I insist I wished someone else scored that goal. By now we would have a manager who knew what he is doing and he would be winning trophies at his level of management. Win win.
Also what's so wrong in saying that I wished Cole scored that goal instead? Isn't Cole a legend too? I'd settle for Giggs, becks, Stam or schmeichel as well
Haha. I don't think everyone knew about him being a tax fraud. Him being a shit football manager is totally obvious. Not just for United support, but all our opponents wants him to stay.
Never heard of any other sides supporters that would want.
I guess he might talk about foundations and future when avoiding the taxes too. Or I have only avoided taxes one time per year so that shows progress or something like that.
Greed and selfishness hurts society a lot though. The bigger companies a much bigger issues who are dodging it even more.
The people who can barely pay the house mortage, but still pay the taxes are the ones that suffer.
The footballer use advisors and others to do the dodging anyway. Not sure how much they even know about it.
If any of those players scored the winner, and then later became our manager but were failing, you'd be spouting hate on them too. So it doesn't make a difference. Just say he's a shite manager no need to start wishing he never played for us or never scored important goals etc.
I don't hate ole. I just want to remove the single possible reason why he got the job for our sake and his sake.