Woodward's speed of doing things that need to be done whether that's signing players or sacking managers makes Maguire's turning speed seem like that of Leo Messi.
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Woodward's speed of doing things that need to be done whether that's signing players or sacking managers makes Maguire's turning speed seem like that of Leo Messi.
What was the name of the ex-the Sun employee that Ed hired to do PR damage control? I bet he's definitely trolling around here.
Those tweets. This is what happens when your board gets it football insight from match of the day and post game discussions.
Would rather keep Solskjaer than go for Southgate
Neil Ashton.
Imagine Solskjaer signs 6 more players for c. £300m, fails, then we hire Southgate. This is the end of days at Old Trafford.
ffs
The best bit about this is buying 6 players for his counter attacking style.
Somebody is taking the piss. There's got to be some motive behind these tweets.
So the club will buy 6 new players but only judge Solskjaer when he has been able to work with a squad that can play his style of counter-attacking football, but if results do go his way we'll go for Pochettino/Southgate/Nagelsmann/Tuchel (who we assume will still be available)
Defeat away to Tranmere on Sunday may accelerate his departure no matter what we're led to believe.
Ay-ay-ay...... All you Ole out folk will be Poch out folk, followed by Pep out folk. The issues are beyond the manager. We have had 2 great managers in their own right "fail" here. "Van Gaal out", "Jose out". It's our best tactic these days.
The first thing people do in these times is look at the greener pastures. "Klopp is amazing", "pep was amazing".... But we are quick and happy to look past the shiiit they trod through. And we have some serious sheeeeeet to go through.
Klopp has a handful of players at his disposal now that were there before he joined the club, he won nothing for 3 years or so. Now he has his team. All is well and good.
Pep didn't like his defence, he was able to get that. They go on to win. Now there off the pace....
We are a shambles, but no coach is going to get instant results with this squad. And I for one am only sticking with Ole because has a long game in sight, and is doing well enough with what he has, which is the shitest squad of the lot.
Talk all you want about how the club is currently or previously run. But ifwe keep seeking that guy with the magic wand, we will keep on failing. The organisation as a whole needs to get things right. I hope they are trying to now, and i certainly believe Ole is implementing the right things.
The first thing people do in these times is look at the greener pastures. "Klopp is amazing", "pep was amazing".... But we are quick and happy to look past the shiiit they trod through. And we have some serious sheeeeeet to go through.
Klopp has a handful of players at his disposal now that were there before he joined the club, he won nothing for 3 years or so. Now he has his team. All is well and good.
Pep didn't like his defence, he was able to get that. They go on to win. Now there off the pace....
We are a shambles, but no coach is going to get instant results with this squad. And I for one am only sticking with Ole because has a long game in sight, and is doing well enough with what he has, which is the shitest squad of the lot.
Talk all you want about how the club is currently or previously run. But ifwe keep seeking that guy with the magic wand, we will keep on failing. The organisation as a whole needs to get things right. I hope they are trying to now, and i certainly believe Ole is implementing the right things.
This reminds me of my Championship Manager 01-02 days, Fergie retired, Schteve Mclaren took over, spunked money up the wall, 30 years in the future, United are a mid-table championship side managed by a former player, i think in my case it was Roy Keane
Nope, more romantic nonsense, despite zero evidence except thin air, you say you believe Ole is implementing the right things etc, like what? both Van Gaal and Mourinho played youth players, they both sold players, the difference between our managers and Klopp and Pep is that Klopp and Pep are world class modern managers, all we've hired are out of date or massively out of depth managers. Both of them were given time because not only have they proven they can do it previously, but the mythical "they are implementing the right things" or "cultural change" happened on the pitch, yes, they weren't great results at first but you could actually see what was happening on the pitch, so they are afforded more time to allow it to work.
Genuinely what has Ole brought to what we do on the field? He spent 130million on the defense and it looks worse than ever, as well as the players he bought looking worse than they did at their previous clubs? We are god awful at set pieces both defending and attacking? We have zero clue like 95% of the time what to do when in an attacking phase, we are garbage at transitioning from defense to attack because movement is so god damn poor nobody has anybody to pass it to so we keep having to go back, the commentators kept banging on about this last night. We rely on a players individual brilliance, or just using our pacey players on a counter attack because there is absolutely 0 coaching on any kind of patterned attacking play, we barely have a Plan A on how to approach a game nevermind a Plan B. This can be seen against the 2 City games recently, where in the first game we managed to surprise them, but then when Pep tactically adjusted in the second game they absolutely rinsed us and made us look like a sunday league team and Ole had absolutely zero answer to it. I mean I could go on, but why the hell should we give him more time based on nothing but hopes and prayers... Oh right yeah it's because he used to play for us, riiiight, don't worry, i'm sure we'll be back to the good old days of Sir Alex, that's what every Ole in wants after all right?
I know Ole will not be sacked. He'll be given time so we should just start getting used to that.
Let's just hope he makes good decisions in the transfer market.
Let's just hope he makes good decisions in the transfer market.
Ole inherited a squad that was able to win the EL, League cup, finish second in the league and play a FA cup final. To say he inherited this 'shit squad' is wrong in my opinion. He chose to offload and loan out players despite not having replacements in line, he can now start playing the card abouthow tired they are and fans can credit him for doing well despite the thin squad he has but you know what? He created this situation.
Feels like the "checkmate" move from Woodward, basically giving Ole years to try and do something now whilst they just bring in new players slowly. It feels like they've basically told us to sit back and accept our fate and keep quiet, because he knows fans won't turn against Ole.
Something different from The Mirror, so, who knows at this point. This one is hopefully true though, and would make sense if Pochettino is waiting in the wings, i dunno
I guess the rumours about Woodward being a Liverpool fan are true then, Glazers must be as well. Can’t explain any other way as to why you’d self destruct like this.
That's fine. We will turn against him instead then. It's going to be chaos at OT if this continues.
This, so much this and I think Ole is beyond terrible.
You're just sheeping along with the narrative. Like most knee jerk fans, journos and pundits, Exaggerating every little detail like a drama queen. Like a baby chucking a tantrum that's never had to work hard to reach a goal. "Unproven manager", "crap credentials". Credentials mean shit in a time like this. We are United only in the name, the fans have become some Madrid bandwagoning basket cases. No metal..
The Facts. We have the 5th best defence and the 5th best attack. We are 5th. Where we belong.
Once again you speak of Pep as the genius. Our win is a fluke.. but Pep coming back and winning the cup is tactical genius...
Even from the beginning of the season we have seen our improved results against the bigger teams. And since the Watford game we have won 4 out of 5 games against minnows. The Burnley result was not Tactics.. Martial and Mata missed good chances. AWB made inroads down the right. Maguire clocked off and made an error. We did not capitalise and got punished. You want to chuck a tantrum after every loss? Go support Madrid or Liverpool then.
The premier league is tough. If you're not the best 1 or 2 teams in the comp then you're more then liable to lose against these teams. Look at our squad also. No Pogba, no Scot McT, now no Rashford. We showed balls to cull the players we got rid off, FINALLY!!. The club failed to bring in all the replacements. Yet still Ole has us 5th! In contention for 4th! Playing a clear counter attacking style! And ever improving in unlocking the minnows! All the whilst playing youngsters who will benefit us in the long term.
I would sooner see fans such as your self support Liverpool until they turn to Junk then hit the merry go round again.
fecking hell we got Liverpool and United fans arguing about who’s been in a worse state here (open tweet to read thread)
No way it's true. Surely even our board is not that stupid. Basically if we believe these tweets, our board is like: "We got Ole who looks a bit out of his depth here and slightly inept, what should we do to find out if we are wrong? Give him to buy his own 11 players of course!"
It's just too ridiculous even our standards.We know full well he wants his players. We did the right thing shredding players, the collective failed to bring in what is required. But that is history, we are doing above expectations with the current squad which is the "squad" i allude to. Once again you choose the narrative you want to follow.
I admit we will get nowehere if we don't make signing. Thats obviously the next logical step. It should have happened earlier,... DER!! But we look at the positives. Players have grown and or emerged.
- Emergence of B.Williams
- Rashford hitting his straps and already exceeding his previous goal tally albeit now down with injury.
- McT , another year, another year of improvement.
- Fred is now useful.
Now when we add we know our depth, we know what already in our locker.
Where's Zlatan? Mhkitaryan? Blind? Rooney? What a bunch of revisionist nonsense.
OMG this is so depressing and frustrating to read. Going to be terrible watching our incompetent manager and that buffoon of a CEO take us to 15th in the PL while Poch signs up with Chelsea in a few months.
Ahhh here we go, a Top Red here to bring me back down to earth and claim that me, such an inferior fan that's just a sheeple following the "narrative" would be better off supporting Liverpool because he doesn't want the likes of me supporting his beloved Manchester United.
Hear that everyone? You all have to swallow the shit you are fed because god forbid we sack an underachieving manager, damn, we wouldn't wanna step down off our pedestal and become one of those clubs now would we, you all have no metal, who cares about credentials or evidence, you just have to believe and give any manager x amount of years to do whatever they want, they may come good! Who knows! They've achieved nothing? Got a team relegated? Nearly got them relegated again? Previous team became vastly better after he left? Absolutely no other big club would touch him with a 10 foot barge pole? Who cares! He used to play for us and as we all know nostalgia and romanticism is the only way in which Manchester United can be run successfully, this is why the other managers were no good and why Ole will succeed.
Facts -
We are 5th, yes, but we are closer in points total to the position of 14th, than we are 4th. One poor weekend could sink us down multiple places, hell you can't even argue we are out of complete relegation danger yet, being only 11 points from safety. Next league results go against us and we could drop to 9th.
Solksjaer has only won 34% of his matches, worse than any Manchester United manager in Premier League history.
Solksjaer's career as a manager is abysmal, and if he wasn't a legend in his own right for us, as a player, we would have never hired him, he relegated Cardiff, he nearly had them relegated in the Championship, Molde has been a better team since his departure, I mean I could go on, no other big team would hire him. None.
Okay, let's say then that our win against City was a tactical masterstroke, it would still make Pep better no? Because in the rematch a short time after, as I said, he adjusted and they rinsed us the entire game and toyed with us, Ole had zero answer because he could not adjust tactically to what City had done, so how does this show his tactical prowess in a good light?
Are you actually watching us this season? A 34% win rate. 34%. Good, we're getting better at beating minnows, we're in contention for 4th, but as my above point notes, we're actually close to 14th so... The odds of us going to 14th over 4th is actually better, it's a sad indictment of the league this season rather than how amazing Solskjaer is.
A clear counter attacking style
, I think what you meant to say was, it's all we can do because he has zero idea how to implement any kind of attacking structure to our play.Don't worry DeeDee, I know you're only attacking me because you are living in a nostalgic past, you are thinking we are the superior Manchester United that gives managers time, look at Sir Alex! you'll crow, without realising Ole isn't Sir Alex, never has been and never will be no matter how many years or players you throw at him, give him time! Just because! We are superior to every other football club because they sack managers when they know it isn't working or there are better options, those guys are scum! I want 1 man running the entire operation and he's going to be with us for 30 years!
You say I'm a crybaby, how about moving on with your life and realising the era of Sir Alex Ferguson, and the era of football from that period is gone, it's never coming back, these days the modern successful clubs are run mostly by DOF's and modern managers/coaches that are actually good. As much as you want him to be Solskjaer is not Sir Alex, stop coming at me with give him time give him time based on mythical shite and give me some solid hard evidence why he should be given time other than he "gets the club" because you think the club is a special mythical creature that can only be successful when it's in the hands of someone who "understands" the club and "gets it" just because we had an amazing manager in Sir Alex all those years ago.
Solskjaer is way out of his depth, everyone and their Nan can see it, why can't you?
Our fans that are blindly supporting Ole will be delighted to see these briefs from the club.
I don't like the fact that they are talking about his style being purely counter attack football either.
Think that proves he hasn't got the coaching acumen to be flexible and use different tactics.
We should have been looking at a minimum of two signings this window and then the other four in the summer,however wouldn't mind betting it's three this summer and three next summer with nothing in the next two January windows sadly.
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It also seems that most of the Ole is people are newbies and have not posted here much before this disaster. To me Ole is now irrelevant. He is just a puppet and you can put anyone there whether it is Mike Phelan or Carrick and the result would be the same. Maybe Phelan may get our defence sorted out a bit better.
Getting beaten by City and Liverpool is one thing but getting beaten by Burnley at OT is another. If Woodward doesn't strengthen the squad this window, then he is crucifying Ole. Or else he has already talked to Poch and is waiting for the end of the season.
Getting beaten by City and Liverpool is one thing but getting beaten by Burnley at OT is another. If Woodward doesn't strengthen the squad this window, then he is crucifying Ole. Or else he has already talked to Poch and is waiting for the end of the season.
Rooney was already done before we even won anything, so he bears little value in your argument. Zlatan was replaced by a 20 goal a season striker, like him or not he did the job, Mkhi wasn't influental at all for us and was replaced by Sanchez. I'll give you Blind though, I liked him a lot. Rest of your argument us nonsense. It was Lukaku, Sanchez and the team Ole inherited who finished 2nd and played an FA cup final.
I could live with Ole getting more time if only we had a proper structure in place. Unfortunately we also have coaches who ook like they are on works experience placement with a manager in the same position too.
Oh yeah, what a real nice gift Sanchez was
Mhkitaryan was actually instrumental in that EL campaign, he scored at least six goals. Not to mention he'd be much easier to move on with lower wages and better value. Both Rooney and Zlatan were leaders in that first season, we missed out on top 4 but still looked like aproper big club.'Solskjaer will be cut some slack'...
'Will be'
fecking hell, how much slack is there even left!? He's been cut slack from the moment he was given the fecking job!
You gotta laugh really, the owners are literally just spitting in fan's faces here. As if any other club that was even remotely ambitious would still be employing a manager like this. It's actually surreal.
fecking Arsenal sacked Emery with a better record than Solskjaer has currently got!
I guess the one good thing is that they have painted themselves into a corner and now simply have to back him this January - which, if they're intent on keeping him here, is the least they have to do.
fecking hell, backing the counter attack but admiring possession based managers. Buy another 10 players for that style and be surprised when it doesnt work for possession based manager. Never change United, never change
Oh yeah, what a real nice gift Sanchez was
I agree with some of what you say and yes Sanchez is wank but Ole didn't inherit a catastrophical team like some try to make it out. That we sold Lukaku and never replaced him, that we loaned out Smalling to play Jones instead. That none of the midfielders that left were replaced is mostly on Woodward but Ole has a part in that blame. He's made us worse than the crap Mourinho served us. The points tally prove it, we are worse now than in Mourinhos mental breakdown season and sadly I honestly believe it will get even worse before this season is over.
Give Ole the incompetent one 6 new signings for what, another £300-400m?
Then when he inevitably fails even with that bring in Southgate!
Nah, if that happens I'm done with the club/football until the glazers are gone.
Then when he inevitably fails even with that bring in Southgate!
Nah, if that happens I'm done with the club/football until the glazers are gone.
And let's not forget Ole has already made two signings to contribute to this "counter-attacking ""style"" ", neither of whom fit into this style at all.
A full back who's poor on the ball and can't cross. And a CB who dawdles and has no pace. Yeah. Good start.
A full back who's poor on the ball and can't cross. And a CB who dawdles and has no pace. Yeah. Good start.
Ole made mistakes, which doesn't help given the fact that he inherited a broken, expensive, and demotivated squad. He's naive for paying a record fee for Maguire. He probably wanted to try and build out from the back just like SAF, but Harry is no Rio, he's not young or super athletic like that. We look worse because we lost the ability to play hoofball, which was a pretty solid plan B, if not ugly and frustrating to watch. One big mistake Ole made is not having enough strikers. Fergie liked to have around four, and was not afraid to drop any of them if they arent performing. I think he should have gambled on Manzukic last summer.
Isn't it a bit unusual for Simon Stone to speculate that Ole might not last after the FA cup game in a main article on BBC in the non gossip section?
Or am I reading too much into it
Or am I reading too much into it
Agree, I understand Oles wish to only try and bring in the 'perfect fit' for our club. But you can't walk in a season with a squad as thin and unproven as he did and expect to not take any blame when it backfires. A lot of us fans, armchair wannabe managers predicted the predicament we are in now. 2 important injuries in midfield and one important striker unavailable weakens any team but in our case it has crippled us because of how thin our squad was left to be. It should not happen at a club like United, no excuses. Ole will always have a special place in my heart but I can differ between the player and the manager and for me the manager hasn't done a good job, quite the opposite.
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