Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Adisa said:
Sometimes just keep quiet.
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I haven't really cared about his press conferences but of all his quotes, this is the one that sticks out for me. Stinks of inferiority complex. Sorry for the movie cliche or stereotype but it's like when a nerd gets gets a welcoming reception from a hot girl and he sees it as a massive achievement that she recognizes him and he thinks "he's going places"

I'm surprised not many people especially the Ole out Brigade are focusing on this. It's a very bad quote that's only acceptable for a bottom table manager managing a bottom table team. And some will still laugh at that bottom table manager for saying such
 
Adisa said:
Sometimes just keep quiet.
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Cringe.

Ken ell Ole, shut the feck up sometimes man. Your side is in a decent enough run of form, concentrate on that instead. The comment about everyone getting giddy about Liverpool young FA Cup side is bang on, stick to stuff like that.

This comment here is worse than anything Moyes ever said, embarrassing.
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
I haven't really cared about his press conferences but of all his quotes, this is the one that sticks out for me. Stinks of inferiority complex. Sorry for the movie cliche or stereotype but it's like when a nerd gets gets a welcoming reception from a hot girl and he sees it as a massive achievement that she recognizes him and he thinks "he's going places"

I'm surprised not many people especially the Ole out Brigade are focusing on this. It's a very bad quote that's only acceptable for a bottom table manager managing a bottom table team. And some will still laugh at that bottom table manager for saying such
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Yeah it’s not even that bad. Don’t know why people get all upset about the things a manager says to the press. We have a young squad and he’s trying to pick them up after a hammering. City played a strong team and we couldn’t get near them, that would have been difficult for some of the kids to deal with. I’m sure Ole’s definitely worried about what some random poster of Red Cafe thinks...
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Cringe.

Ken ell Ole, shut the feck up sometimes man. Your side is in a decent enough run of form, concentrate on that instead. The comment about everyone getting giddy about Liverpool young FA Cup side is bang on, stick to stuff like that.

This comment here is worse than anything Moyes ever said, embarrassing.
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Agree. I liked the comment about how young our side is, but then he comes out with that. Doesn’t help himself.
 
It's a cringe as feck comment, but why is it a big deal? There's far more positives on the pitch than what we saw under Mourinho and Moyes, which matters slightly more.
 
Zoo said:
What was the previous Moyesque comment he made?
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There are quite a few. From "We've only lost once each month" to being proud that "We have won a half against City" after being fecking destroyed in the first half and they obviously didn't want to go too hard on us in the second half in case we lose heavily and sack Ole, which no oppo managers and fans want to happen.
 
To my own somewhat amazement, my position in wanting Solskjaer to go is starting to budge a bit to the point where I am now 50/50.

Reason 1) Despite the intensity of the pressure he is not buckling at all, unlike say Moyes, who started to say odd and irritating stuff after every game. As did Mourinho come to that (although this activity also coincided with his successful periods at other clubs). He's standing up to the challenge and keeping his cool and when you think about the temperament you would have to be able to stay that focussed as a sub striker to come on and make an impact more or less every time, it stands to reason.

Reason 2) The young players are visibly improving. This is by no means a given. Rashford, despite looking like a world beater currently, was a real mess in previous seasons. It is by no means sure Greenwood would come in and do well. You have to give credit to Ole for this, the players are inconsistent, but they are not wilting and are as a general trend improving. Even Pereira you're seeing an improvement.

Reason 3) Ole is intelligent. i don't think he is near being a top level manager or coach yet. But I think the signs are there that he could well learn to become one. I believe he has a good understanding of how we are being beaten in games and so therefore may be well equipped to improve going forward. If he can develop parts of our game that don't just rely on pacy counter attacks that would be a very good start. There is some evidence of this.

I don't think you probably are either a world class coach/manager or not one. More than likely you learn to be. Ole being in the hotseat for this long is akin to an incredibly intense training period for that sort of level. There is likely no other real way to learn than to be in that position. Was Rodgers the coach he is now after Swansea? But after being Liverpool boss and then Celtic, that's the kind of experience that is required. You're not gonna actually really learn and rise to it until you've dealt with the full force of it.

Therefore my conclusion is, I think he has done enough to buy himself some time at least and the pressure should be lessened on him accordingly.

That being said if he was to go and Poch were to come in, you could entirely understand why.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Come one man. If Moyes or Mourinho had said that....

Call a spade a spade for god's sake.
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Maybe I’m too hungover to appreciate it but it doesn’t sound that bad to me.
The team don’t believe in themselves, we saw that after City’s first goal, he’s only trying to big them up with a bit of positivity.
Moyes would have said we’re aspiring to be Man City and Mourinho would have found a way to have a dig at Martial for not playing.
I honestly don’t get the need to jump down the managers throat every time they say something to the media.
 
crossy1686 said:
Maybe I’m too hungover to appreciate it but it doesn’t sound that bad to me.
The team don’t believe in themselves, we saw that after City’s first goal, he’s only trying to big them up with a bit of positivity.
Moyes would have said we’re aspiring to be Man City and Mourinho would have found a way to have a dig at Martial for not playing.
I honestly don’t get the need to jump down the managers throat every time they say something to the media.
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There is nothing positive to be taken from a statement implying that our club is so far behind City that we should be proud they consider us remotely worthy of fielding a strong team against us. It's a weak message that breeds negativity.

Ole should know better than to come out with stuff like that.
 
Random Task said:
There is nothing positive to be taken from a statement implying that our club is so far behind City that we should be proud they consider us remotely worthy of fielding a strong team against us. It's a weak message that breeds negativity.

Ole should know better than to come out with stuff like that.
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The team is young and lack self belief. They watched City break the 100 point barrier last season while they languished down the league or was playing reserve team football.
Implying we’re behind them is an understatement, talking bollocks about us being within touching distance of them would be absolutely deluded.

Right now, them and Liverpool are miles ahead of us but they won’t always be. It’s okay to admit that our rivals are better than us, just not when you’ve inherited a title winning team that won the league by 11 clear points.
 
How can a City line-up without Aguero or Jesus starting be considered their 'strongest team'?
 
SteveJ said:
How can a City line-up without Aguero or Jesus starting be considered their 'strongest team'?
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Who cares, the fact that they fielded a strong team against us in the cup semifinal is a true testament to us and just proves that "we are going places" :lol: I don't think he could have made a worse comment than this, it's just baffling.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Cringe.

Ken ell Ole, shut the feck up sometimes man. Your side is in a decent enough run of form, concentrate on that instead. The comment about everyone getting giddy about Liverpool young FA Cup side is bang on, stick to stuff like that.

This comment here is worse than anything Moyes ever said, embarrassing.
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Decent run of form? We were embarrassed by City just a couple of days ago. We were well beaten at Arsenal the week before. We’re Manchester United, we’re not in the relegation zone yet fighting to stay in the division. I honestly feel like I support a different club these days. I understand times are different but collectively our standards just seem to be subconsciously dropping and dropping. It hurts a hell of a lot and we seem to have a manager who is worse than anyone for it.
 
Backrow Singer said:
Decent run of form? We were embarrassed by City just a couple of days ago. We were well beaten at Arsenal the week before. We’re Manchester United, we’re not in the relegation zone yet fighting to stay in the division. I honestly feel like I support a different club these days. I understand times are different but collectively our standards just seem to be subconsciously dropping and dropping. It hurts a hell of a lot and we seem to have a manager who is worse than anyone for it.
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It does hurt a lot. I’m not asking us to be the best team in the world right away. Just to be the best we can be.
 
Backrow Singer said:
Decent run of form? We were embarrassed by City just a couple of days ago. We were well beaten at Arsenal the week before. We’re Manchester United, we’re not in the relegation zone yet fighting to stay in the division. I honestly feel like I support a different club these days. I understand times are different but collectively our standards just seem to be subconsciously dropping and dropping. It hurts a hell of a lot and we seem to have a manager who is worse than anyone for it.
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I've mentioned many times I'd have fired Ole after the Watford game.

That said, since 1st December in the Prem we have played 9, won 5, drawn 2, lost 2. Considering that is more than half of our wins for the entire season, yes, we have to concede that is a decent run of form.

If the form of Ole's team drops off a cliff again, I'd have him gone instantly.
 
SteveJ said:
How can a City line-up without Aguero or Jesus starting be considered their 'strongest team'?
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It was their strongest team (apart from the keeper). Both Aguero and Jesus were on the bench and Pep confirmed it was tactical.

United were desperately short in midfield and City exploited that by playing 4 midfield players and 2 wingers. That 6 in midfield outnumbered United and so dominated the game in the first half.

Ole moving to a diamond at half time was a really good tactical response. The game was already over by then but it made it a more competitive second half.
 
He really does talk like a guy who won a manager for a day raffle. Went from "we are Manchester United" to complimenting himself about being taken seriously by a bitter rival. I bet even he doesn't know what to expect from his management in 3 years
 
dove said:
Any manager we had post SAF would have been crucified had they said that. But since it’s Ole, it’s fine. What do we really expect from the manager who makes stupid Moyesque comments like this every single week?
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The difference is that Moyes had a league winning team. Ole has a bunch of teenagers really coupled with some crooked players who can't stay fit for more than 2 games in a row.
 
That’s just such an embarrassing thing to say, and the way he says it too... Imagine Pep or Klopp saying that.
 
Thepinhead said:
The difference is that Moyes had a league winning team. Ole has a bunch of teenagers really coupled with some crooked players who can't stay fit for more than 2 games in a row.
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Yes but it doesn't change a fact that some of the nonsense Ole says is worse than whatever Moyes ever said.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Come one man. If Moyes or Mourinho had said that....

Call a spade a spade for god's sake.
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But Ole is seen not to be working with men but only boys so he gets a pass.
If Ole keeps fifth in the table it will be acceptable and i bet he will still be manager going into next season.
Expectations have changed at board level since Mourinho was sacked.
 
TrueRed79 said:
Jesus Christ. That's so small time from him. They didn't even start with a number 9. Embarrassing.
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But out of context, he was asked specifically about the city game (where we were without maguire mctominay pogba martial). He's bumbled his point for sure and the clip looks dreadful, but all the same.
 
Ole gets flakey when his management is criticised, and I resent the club for putting him in a position in which his dignity is slowly eroded.
 
TrueRed79 said:
Jesus Christ. That's so small time from him. They didn't even start with a number 9. Embarrassing.
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You can`t be much of a chess player, other than the black and white pieces there are still a game to be fought :`They didn`t even start with a number 9` : Yes, a false 9. That`s a modern number 9. That is like saying they didn`t have a number 9 up top, only Messi (that featured regular as a false 9 with Pep`s Barca team). Firminio is not a clearcut number 9 either, before an AMC. Pep is a chess player, i am a chess player. Control the midtfield. You control the game. Overload the midtfield. At the moment Man Utd don`t have a classical 9 either, hopefully Martial can do a long term job there on what he has to offer to a game.
 
I think a lot of you are not understanding the situation. Now he is feeling the pressure and the stress. This is why he is coming out with these type of stuff. Different people would react in different ways. Jose would get aggressive and LVG would say something like you don't know anything about football and I am not going to give free lessons. This is the way Ole is handling it.
Yesterday's win has eased some pressure on him but the next one is around the corner. Wolves at home. If we lose he is back in the same situation and would probably say something stupid again. Burnley at home is a game we should win and then again the pressure piles up if we don't. I don't think Liverpool away is so important except for the 3 points. Even if we lose, if we lose with a small margin the pressure would not be on Ole. Yes if we get thrashed then of course. The Wolves, league game and the Burnley game are crucial for us. Then it gets worse with away to Chelsea and Spurs and City at OT.
Chelsea seems to be on a roll and looks to be in a different class to us right now.
 
Foxbatt said:
I think a lot of you are not understanding the situation. Now he is feeling the pressure and the stress. This is why he is coming out with these type of stuff. Different people would react in different ways. Jose would get aggressive and LVG would say something like you don't know anything about football and I am not going to give free lessons. This is the way Ole is handling it.
Yesterday's win has eased some pressure on him but the next one is around the corner. Wolves at home. If we lose he is back in the same situation and would probably say something stupid again. Burnley at home is a game we should win and then again the pressure piles up if we don't. I don't think Liverpool away is so important except for the 3 points. Even if we lose, if we lose with a small margin the pressure would not be on Ole. Yes if we get thrashed then of course. The Wolves, league game and the Burnley game are crucial for us. Then it gets worse with away to Chelsea and Spurs and City at OT.
Chelsea seems to be on a roll and looks to be in a different class to us right now.
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Thank you! I understand it all much better now :angel:

In the last 4 league games we won two, drew one and lost one.
Chelsea won two. Lost one and drew one.
How are they on a roll?
 
Dinghy said:
It's a cringe as feck comment, but why is it a big deal? There's far more positives on the pitch than what we saw under Mourinho and Moyes, which matters slightly more.
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People love to make a big deal about little things. They get hung up on words. Let them have their fun. Its everything to them.
 
To be fair to Ole with regards to his critics, which I'm one of, the continual question marks thrown at him on a tactical level need to be more elaborated.

All you read,not necessarily on here, on social media is how outdated Ole is tactically and yet very few people give enlightened answers to their criticisms.
 
Mockney said:
Wait... shouldn’t you be arguing that they were really good managers who proved how successful appointing novice ex-players can be?... not that they were actually entirely reliant on having a bunch of World Class talent that meant they couldn’t fail, which only proves how ridiculous it is that we’ve taken that risk without a similar such safety mat!?

This, along with “Leicester having a good manager whose got a team with no World Class players to leapfrog us in under a year is actually reason why we shouldn’t expect too much from Ole” is only furthering my belief that there’s a whole bunch of people here arguing any old nonsense from any old angle so long as it arrives at a predetermined point.

Either that or it’s some kind of 4D chess disinformation tactic aimed at confusing me by arguing my own points back at me with such blasé confidence that I’m tricked into thinking they’re actually the opposite of what they seem!




Read that back to yourself. Out loud.
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Don't think that's going to work on Ole cultists. Not when they hang on to every word he says. Pointless debating with them as they're driven by emotion and misplaced romance.

 
I find him extremely irritating. He's looks and sounds like a clown. I cannot believe it has come down to this. I would have preferred to remember Ole the player rather than Ole the manager.
 
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