Yes but his stats were not like say Pepe.
Fans do get excited over a 5 min youtube clip when there is a players in the PL in front of their own eyes.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Yes but his stats were not like say Pepe.
Fans do get excited over a 5 min youtube clip when there is a players in the PL in front of their own eyes.
It's usually much easier and cheaper to sign from outside PL though, especially now with wealth of PL teams meaning they basically don't have to sell at all.
This is sarcasm right?
HAHA best WUM of the day
He can't keep saying "we're shite" every week can he? Jose created a horrible mood with that kind of talk.
The problem I have is that he's not saying it to create a feel-good mood, but because he knows he's very very lucky to be in that job and doesn't want to speak out against Woodward and the Glazers with the truth, which is that this squad was woefully under-invested in during the Summer.
The fact we let Herrera and Lukaku go with not even mild replacements, let alone upgrades as a club with ambition would have done, is disgraceful.
Martial was signed as an ST intially though, Depay was the Mane alternative at LW.
Yes, it is easier but the players from PL seem to adapt quicker as well.
Ofcourse if there is no one in the PL that suits the team then you have to look elsewhere or the quality isnt there.
Not many teams have great attacking talent in the PL.
Tbf Depay was considered a pretty good talent at this time. His videos from Eredivisie were delicious. He came here and as usual with most of our signing turned to shite.
Taking predictions right now for what will be said in this thread after the game today.
Ole has no clue, Woodward out, Glazers out.
When will the club realise we need to make signings urgently?
I think with the matches ahead things can go south real fast, I dont think we’ll sack him until the summer that ship has sailed and Im quite sure the board expects us to finish outside top 6 but the mentality of this squad is so fragile that if we enter a bad result patch I dont know when/how could we get out of it.
The only matches I see us winning this month are Norwich and Maybe Burnley, and things can get ugly today against City and Liverpool away.
The only matches I see us winning this month are Norwich and Maybe Burnley, and things can get ugly today against City and Liverpool away.
That won't be hard considering we're expected to lose with a typically insipid display.
Hopefully chants of Ole/Glazers/Woodward out if the docile fanbase has finally come to their senses.
You cant play like we did in the 90s without roy fecking keane and paul fecking scholes in the middle.
Even then they'd probably face difficulty againts 3 men midfield. Football has moved on along ways from pure 442
clueless; outclassed; boring; we played well with what we had; expect inconsistency with young players; Just sack him
Not necessarily true. Our 3 man midfield feels like 2 man midfield. And football has always been about tactical adjustments and to take advantage of opponent's weaknesses to win games. Leicester mostly used 4-4-2 when They won the league. Not so long ago was it?
It's like saying Rock is outdated in a Rock, Paper, Scissor game.
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Genuinely asking this question for people that want Ole to stay. If you had the option to keep Ole or to get a competent DOF that appoints a different manager which would you choose?
I'm asking because while I think he isn't good enough, I think Ole has gained people's support so far because he's been putting United's best interest at heart, planning for the future and has a vision for the club like a DOF does. And people support this because they know that Ed would not appoint a DOF so Ole right now is the best or closest thing to getting a DoF or someone that has a vision and plans for the future and has the club's best interest at heart.
So for the people that support Ole which option would you choose if given the chance. Keep Ole? Or get a Competent DOF who will appoint a manager?
I'm asking because while I think he isn't good enough, I think Ole has gained people's support so far because he's been putting United's best interest at heart, planning for the future and has a vision for the club like a DOF does. And people support this because they know that Ed would not appoint a DOF so Ole right now is the best or closest thing to getting a DoF or someone that has a vision and plans for the future and has the club's best interest at heart.
So for the people that support Ole which option would you choose if given the chance. Keep Ole? Or get a Competent DOF who will appoint a manager?
Absolutely excellent post - if only the Utd board and fanbase were dominated by logical thinkers like this, the club would be in such a better state.
You might as well give that trophy to SAF too then because that's exactly what he would say before each and every game. Unbelievable...
That is so much not true. In the 90s and even in 2009 or 2011 when we faced Barcelona and that supposedly new football, we could not escape their pressing and counter pressing and lost the 2 games. Fast forward, Ole is showing how to get passed that counter pressing those teams are exerting and this is something that we have never succeeded with SAF until the very end.
Others' have had the idea (Wenger tried it with Arsenal against the same Barcelona, focusing on the first 2 quick passes to pass the counter pressing wave) but he did not succeed. In that regard, Ole is showing the path so we cannot say we play the way we played in the 90s. That's nonsense at best. In the 90s, counter pressing was not even that developed and we do that consistently across all our games now, unless we decide to not press in specific games.
So Ole has mastered in a season what SAF couldn't do in 26? Now why didn't I think of that before? I know.......... Because I'm not feckin Insane.
It's not like Ole had their starting position.
Our problem is consistency in the performance, remember? But to ignore the football happening in front of your eyes just because you don't want to give any credit is equally insane. In short, we don't play like in the 90s, nor in the 2000s.So Ole has mastered in a season what SAF couldn't do in 26? Now why didn't I think of that before? I know.......... Because I'm not feckin Insane.
In short, comparing SAF and Ole on any level won't better your argument especially when suggesting that Ole could of beat Barca in the CL finals when SAF couldn't.
Apologies for my words before. They were uncalled for but you caught me by surprise.
Just to say as well, comparisons to other managers is by far the laziest argument on this forum. Well they gave Pep and Zidane time why not Ole!? Yes Pep and Zidane were more successful look at the players they had!
It's lazy.
Yes you can argue they had some of the worlds best players, but it's not the be all and end all is it, it's why the Guardiola hasn't done it at a smaller club with lesser players argument holds no real water. Why? Because other managers have been at those 2 exact clubs, Barcelona and Real Madrid, and had, not only some of the same players that these two had, but sometimes just as good if not better ones at their disposal, and they failed.
Let's go through a few of Madrid's shall we?
Real Madrid -
Julen Lopetegui - Failed, sacked, won nothing and had a 42% win rate. Had the likes of Modric, Kroos, Ramos, Varane, Bale, Isco, Courtois etc
Manuel Pelligrini - Failed, sacked, won nothing even with a 75% win rate. Had the likes of Casillas, Ronaldo, Raul, Kaka, Benzema, Higuian, Xabi Alonso etc
Juande Ramos - Failed, sacked, won nothing even with a 66% win rate. Had the likes of Casillas, Cannavaro, Ramos, Heinze, Sneijder, Robben, van Nistelrooy etc
Bernd Schuster - Pretty much the same as Juande Ramos, only with a 58% win rate.
Let's not forget one of our very own, a man that sat next to, and was the assistant of one Sir Alex Ferguson mind you..
Carlos Quieroz - Failed, sacked, won the Supercopa that's it, with a 57% win rate, oh and who did he have on his team? Brazilian Ronaldo, Casillas, Roberto Carlos, Zidane, Raul, Figo, Cambiasso, Beckham, Guti etc
Now according to alot of people in this thread we are supposed to believe all these managers were destined for the success of Guardiola and Zidane, i mean look at the players on their team any manager past of present would kill to get those players, it would be impossible for them to fail. Or is it that coaching, and a tactically astute manager actually counts for something in the game of Football?
Now bearing in mind that all of these managers were vastly more qualified and experienced than Ole when they took over at Madrid, with an embarassment of riches on the pitch and they still couldn't make it work, we are supposed to, however, keep giving Ole more and more time, more and more windows, based on, what, exactly?
The difference is this club doesn't delude itself with visions of morality and they haven't let their standards plummet to the earth like a lot of people on here, they sense blood and that's it they pull the trigger, and guess what, it's worked for them, they don't stick to a manager because they feel the manager needs more time, they know when that managers time is up. They aren't trying desperately to cling onto the era of Fergie like we are, it's all a little sad to be honest. Guardiola and Zidane were given more time because they earned by what they were doing with the team on the pitch, it's a simple as that, you cannot argue the same for Ole, the only argument you can make is an emotional one because he's an ex player.
You should be earning the time you are given, instead people say it should be given freely based on absolutely zero convincing evidence, because oo Sir Alex, oo Guardiola. No, just stop it.
It's lazy.
Yes you can argue they had some of the worlds best players, but it's not the be all and end all is it, it's why the Guardiola hasn't done it at a smaller club with lesser players argument holds no real water. Why? Because other managers have been at those 2 exact clubs, Barcelona and Real Madrid, and had, not only some of the same players that these two had, but sometimes just as good if not better ones at their disposal, and they failed.
Let's go through a few of Madrid's shall we?
Real Madrid -
Julen Lopetegui - Failed, sacked, won nothing and had a 42% win rate. Had the likes of Modric, Kroos, Ramos, Varane, Bale, Isco, Courtois etc
Manuel Pelligrini - Failed, sacked, won nothing even with a 75% win rate. Had the likes of Casillas, Ronaldo, Raul, Kaka, Benzema, Higuian, Xabi Alonso etc
Juande Ramos - Failed, sacked, won nothing even with a 66% win rate. Had the likes of Casillas, Cannavaro, Ramos, Heinze, Sneijder, Robben, van Nistelrooy etc
Bernd Schuster - Pretty much the same as Juande Ramos, only with a 58% win rate.
Let's not forget one of our very own, a man that sat next to, and was the assistant of one Sir Alex Ferguson mind you..
Carlos Quieroz - Failed, sacked, won the Supercopa that's it, with a 57% win rate, oh and who did he have on his team? Brazilian Ronaldo, Casillas, Roberto Carlos, Zidane, Raul, Figo, Cambiasso, Beckham, Guti etc
Now according to alot of people in this thread we are supposed to believe all these managers were destined for the success of Guardiola and Zidane, i mean look at the players on their team any manager past of present would kill to get those players, it would be impossible for them to fail. Or is it that coaching, and a tactically astute manager actually counts for something in the game of Football?
Now bearing in mind that all of these managers were vastly more qualified and experienced than Ole when they took over at Madrid, with an embarassment of riches on the pitch and they still couldn't make it work, we are supposed to, however, keep giving Ole more and more time, more and more windows, based on, what, exactly?
The difference is this club doesn't delude itself with visions of morality and they haven't let their standards plummet to the earth like a lot of people on here, they sense blood and that's it they pull the trigger, and guess what, it's worked for them, they don't stick to a manager because they feel the manager needs more time, they know when that managers time is up. They aren't trying desperately to cling onto the era of Fergie like we are, it's all a little sad to be honest. Guardiola and Zidane were given more time because they earned by what they were doing with the team on the pitch, it's a simple as that, you cannot argue the same for Ole, the only argument you can make is an emotional one because he's an ex player.
You should be earning the time you are given, instead people say it should be given freely based on absolutely zero convincing evidence, because oo Sir Alex, oo Guardiola. No, just stop it.
I didn't compare, I said he found a solution at least in one game to something we struggled against because our football was not used to that kind of counter pressing. A counter pressing Klopp has even more intensified but Barcelona was the first one to press collectively and coherently like that, and we always lost the games.
From today’s match thread:
“Fred, Andreas and lingard vs Gundogan, de bruyne and Bernardo. Yikes!”
I fully agree with that statement. No excuse for not winning today. Our midfield will totally dominate them. If we give away a draw or lose, it is purely down to lack of coaching.
“Fred, Andreas and lingard vs Gundogan, de bruyne and Bernardo. Yikes!”
I fully agree with that statement. No excuse for not winning today. Our midfield will totally dominate them. If we give away a draw or lose, it is purely down to lack of coaching.
With that mindset we shouldn’t have beat them at the Etihad, neither should Wolves, etc.
When we beat them: Games raisers, that's what we are, like a mid-table team!With that mindset we shouldn’t have beat them at the Etihad, neither should Wolves, etc.
It's Ole's choice to play Lingard, hardly anyone's fault Ole is completely blind and useless.
It is if most of the leagues are scissors now. You can persist with 2 men midfield, just realistically much harder to find that super 2 when our 3 even feels like 2
We could lose 9-0 tonight and the next 5 games on the bounce and the shit squad excuse would be used. Ole is completely bulletproof with so many on here.
What team would you have picked tonight?
It’s irrelevant because I wouldn’t have ever sanctioned all of those outgoings without more incomings, never in a million years. If I was a top class manager I'd have found gems in France, Italy, Belgium or the Championship to buff up my squad before ending up in a situation where I have to field a midfield like that.
There’s a reason Ole’s record was miles better with Mourinho’s squad.
And one things for certain, our worst games this season have been with Andreas in DM so I’d have played fecking Jones ahead of him there.
Ole’s naivety with the “only the right player nonsense” has absolutely fecked him time and time again, what I’d give for a “wrong” player in CM like Quinton Fortune now.
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Rock beats scissors.
He’s clueless.
The game right now - we clearly don’t know if we are to press or stand off.
We are so badly coached and just rely on fast players and hope for a bit of magic.
The game right now - we clearly don’t know if we are to press or stand off.
We are so badly coached and just rely on fast players and hope for a bit of magic.
Hopefully, hes gone after this game. We are fecking pathetic.
Needs more time to do whatever the feck he’s doing.
Remember when everyone who wanted him gone looked silly when Newcastle handed us a win on a silver platter?
Someone should put him out of his misery. We are pathetic
Ladies and gentlemen. Ole Gunnar Solskjær! A tactical genius. Take a bow.
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