We will get destroyed by Liverpool with them hitting 5 shoots in the bar and missing 5-10 good chances. Get a lucky 1-0 win and Woodward will give him a new contract and claim everything is great with us making 0 signings this window.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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We will get destroyed by Liverpool with them hitting 5 shoots in the bar and missing 5-10 good chances. Get a lucky 1-0 win and Woodward will give him a new contract and claim everything is great with us making 0 signings this window.
Weird how Arsenal aren't that far away from us even though they have been having a garbage season. Only 4 points gap between them and us. Won't be a surprise if they catch us eventually.
His presser is so laughable now.
Is it really that hard to try and find our for yourself? Took me about 10 secs to find the vid. 48 secs in where he sees our second conceded on the screen in front of him.
No he has't a clue. If he thinks they scored because we took too many touches either he is lying or he has no clue. Yes I saw it but it is no laughing matter to see any goals scored against us.
There‘s a few teams like that though, I’m sure Chelsea fans were saying that about us as well at one point, between Us, Chelsea, Spurs, and Arsenal it’s just about who’s the least shit out of all of us to get that last spot in the top 4 and that seems to change from week to week...We’ll really have to try and get some consistency going soon though to have any chance, we’ve worked ourself into good positions recently and instead of capitalising on other teams dropping points we’ve shit the bed ourselves.
Struggled to watch this. Be a bit angry or show some emotions. We bloody lost the game!
No need to attack single players, but he can at least say we didn't play well and talk about the team performance.
Going to be annoying as long as we got him sadly. I hope he can improve things, but I got almost no hope given that our best player so far this season in Mctominay is out and that we are super slow in the bloody market.
Why not? He gets paid 7.5M a year to smile, keep positive attitude and repeat "boys and rebuild".
Phil Jones, sat in the stands like the godfather every weekend, watching his empire of chaos unfold beneath him.
With the current state of our rivals we will be mostly keep in touch with the 4th spot. That is the problem..the hope is killing us, the hope that creates a belief that a win can change our fortunes etc.
Truth is that if you aim to compete for the league, you may end up second. But if you want to compete for the 4th place, you may end 5th or 6th with its calamitous results. Arsenal is now paying for this notion, as we are gonna pay in a few years.
However, for me the main problem is that we really dont seem to have a plan. Or even worse, our plan is to back the two times champion of the fish farmers league.
Truth is that if you aim to compete for the league, you may end up second. But if you want to compete for the 4th place, you may end 5th or 6th with its calamitous results. Arsenal is now paying for this notion, as we are gonna pay in a few years.
However, for me the main problem is that we really dont seem to have a plan. Or even worse, our plan is to back the two times champion of the fish farmers league.
Pre-season was going to address key issues with the squad. Then, after a purely commercially focused pre-season we start picking up injuries. We rush Pogba back playing him in a pointless 90mins against Rochdale. And now again (apparently). With McTominay - who is absolutely essential too - he plays on for 40mins after he's clearly complained of an injury which turns out to be quite serious.
We're running some of these players into the ground. We play counter attacking football and when our fast attackers are kicked all over the shop Ole doesn't aggressively protect them, but says it's a man's game and a contact sport. The thuggery dished out by Burnley, for instance, was absolutely diabolical. That James has not sustained a serious injury this season is down to pure luck. In this instance a manager should be going berserk trying to protect his players and putting pressure on refs, highlighting the issue.
Ole has said that we are a fantastically well run club, that he's got the backing in the market and the resources. And he's always hyped up United's appeal to players. There is no way 50 scouts cannot find players who can improve this team, given that we have money and can attract players. Some things just don't add up with this. We apparently just offered 200K a week to a relatively unproven 19 year old, who is a Raiola client (who is currently bitchslapping the club in the press). I'm not sure what that says of a cultural reset when our problem is having loads of players earning much much more than what they give in return. I am not saying the player wasn't an attractive option, but I don't think that wage would have made any sense whatsoever if we're trying to build a professional - and logical - environment.
The cultural problem wasn't specifically a personnel problem, that's the micro level, it was and is the hierarchy of the club.
Ole is definitely a great guy and a club legend. But there is almost nothing that I like about him as a manager. I wish I did, I just don't think he has an ounce of the gravitas to be a successful leader.
Happy new year.
We're running some of these players into the ground. We play counter attacking football and when our fast attackers are kicked all over the shop Ole doesn't aggressively protect them, but says it's a man's game and a contact sport. The thuggery dished out by Burnley, for instance, was absolutely diabolical. That James has not sustained a serious injury this season is down to pure luck. In this instance a manager should be going berserk trying to protect his players and putting pressure on refs, highlighting the issue.
Ole has said that we are a fantastically well run club, that he's got the backing in the market and the resources. And he's always hyped up United's appeal to players. There is no way 50 scouts cannot find players who can improve this team, given that we have money and can attract players. Some things just don't add up with this. We apparently just offered 200K a week to a relatively unproven 19 year old, who is a Raiola client (who is currently bitchslapping the club in the press). I'm not sure what that says of a cultural reset when our problem is having loads of players earning much much more than what they give in return. I am not saying the player wasn't an attractive option, but I don't think that wage would have made any sense whatsoever if we're trying to build a professional - and logical - environment.
The cultural problem wasn't specifically a personnel problem, that's the micro level, it was and is the hierarchy of the club.
Ole is definitely a great guy and a club legend. But there is almost nothing that I like about him as a manager. I wish I did, I just don't think he has an ounce of the gravitas to be a successful leader.
Happy new year.
Lernin and developin team 
Nope. We will beat Liverpool and get our arses handed to us over the following 3 games.
He killed any joy in watching games for me. Blessing in disguise threads were very popular during Mourinho era so here is one top red post from me.
We should have lost against Spurs and City. Maybe this fraud would have been sacked after that. Because now agony will go on and on.
We will lose nearly every away game but we will win at home against low table clubs and have some lucky away win then and there so he will keep his job. And he will convince Ed how he is preparing this team for next season. So it will be another season ruined by him.
Moyes, Jose and Lvg together didn't damaged this club like this so called manager is doing this season.
We should have lost against Spurs and City. Maybe this fraud would have been sacked after that. Because now agony will go on and on.
We will lose nearly every away game but we will win at home against low table clubs and have some lucky away win then and there so he will keep his job. And he will convince Ed how he is preparing this team for next season. So it will be another season ruined by him.
Moyes, Jose and Lvg together didn't damaged this club like this so called manager is doing this season.
The "Ole in" crowd will no doubt be running the same looped code:
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If (Klopp + Time) = "success"
Then (Ole +Time) = "success"
Printoutput;
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20 GOTO 10
RUN
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Give Ole time!
Give Ole time!
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If (Klopp + Time) = "success"
Then (Ole +Time) = "success"
Printoutput;
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"We are building towards something". Man, he knows this PR stuff.
Jose was right when he said that Ole has dream job. Just talking about future and nothing else.
Maybe the worst manager since SAF himself finished 11th?
I don’t know if OGS will succeed to the standard we desire, but from what he started with, we won’t know and it will take a lot longer than 12 months.
The knee jerk hyperbole is so tiresome. How do you guys do it?!
Well, possibly.
The three managers before OGS have all bought poorly. I believe most agree on that. All three had us performed below what we'd come to expect from this club. OGS is finally the one to clean up this squad. This ain't done in one window. We're not talking small amounts of money. The three players bought have been good buys, imo. Let him have players who suit his style, then judge him. This was always gonna take time. He said as much himself during his first months in charge
People criticizing Solskjaer for smiling after a defeat are being hysterically nonsensical. It's a normal, human reaction to smile. It's not like he spent the entire 3 minute interview grinning from ear to ear.
The squad needs rebuilding and it's not going to take a season to just turn things around. What will prolong the process we have in place is constantly chopping and changing the manager searching for a quick fix. Who honestly would people bring in and how would they have gotten a performance out of that side today?
Funnily enough, it's not easy to just rock up to the Emirates on the back of a busy Christmas schedule and dictate a game like that. We got outplayed today and outfought but we need to have a little more perspective here. This was always going to be a tough fixture what with Arsenal having a new manager and players anxious to make a statement.
Liverpool got to where they are by improving incrementally, season by season. We are in the same process.
The squad needs rebuilding and it's not going to take a season to just turn things around. What will prolong the process we have in place is constantly chopping and changing the manager searching for a quick fix. Who honestly would people bring in and how would they have gotten a performance out of that side today?
Funnily enough, it's not easy to just rock up to the Emirates on the back of a busy Christmas schedule and dictate a game like that. We got outplayed today and outfought but we need to have a little more perspective here. This was always going to be a tough fixture what with Arsenal having a new manager and players anxious to make a statement.
Liverpool got to where they are by improving incrementally, season by season. We are in the same process.
I have started hating PSG vehemently now. Why the feck did they have to miss sitters and get beaten by us? I think you are right. We will beat Liverpool and Salah will miss a few sitters and DeGea will save us with a couple of world class saves and Fred will save a goal with his arse without knowing much about it and Jones sitting behind Woodward will tell him that if it was him, he would save it with his conk.
Ole has brought poorly as well, as poorly as the previous 3 managers.
He does have the amazing knack of pulling out a win when he needs it most to pull himself from the brink.
It's really annoying. Either be shit or be good. This being majorly shit with a sprinkle of glitter every few logs isn't helping anyone.
It's really annoying. Either be shit or be good. This being majorly shit with a sprinkle of glitter every few logs isn't helping anyone.
In the past a win made me believe we could go on and win everything. Now after the Burnely win, it just felt empty. I knew the team would feck it up again, presumably against Arsenal.
This season has really opened my eyes and accepted what type of club we have become. Everyone from our CEO down to the players have no ambition, no desire, and are full of excuses.
Saddening watching this club implode. A really long way back to the top.
This season has really opened my eyes and accepted what type of club we have become. Everyone from our CEO down to the players have no ambition, no desire, and are full of excuses.
Saddening watching this club implode. A really long way back to the top.
His faith in Lingard is baffling to me. I get that you may want to raise his confidence by giving him game time by starting him and trying to get him to score or even assist, but in a high profile league match?
And yes what RVP said about players don't fear him... that's my response to people who say that the players enjoy playing under him. Well that's because they know he's probably too nice and he may possibly be too much of 'one of the boys' so to speak. The thing about leaders and managers is the best ones are the ones who can be both a nice guy and a right bastard. Sir Alex had that equilibrium. Jose Mourinho used to have that equilibrium but these days he leans too much into the bastard side. OGS seems to lean more into the nice guy side. "Nice guys finish last" as the old saying goes.
He can talk the talk but he's done very little to walk it. I don't believe this 'needs time and transfer windows' schtick either. You get time if you've done well previously. We almost seem to be going off of blind faith at the moment. I will say the group of players he has does have the ability to finish Top 4 going by their ability to grind out wins against better teams, but it seems to be those teams play in a way that suits our one and only way of being effective.
I think a better manager would be able to motivate them better (players don't need much motivation if they're playing the top sides) and set up the team to beat those pesky lesser teams who sit back, as well as have the ability to mix up our play style and not be predictable.
And yes what RVP said about players don't fear him... that's my response to people who say that the players enjoy playing under him. Well that's because they know he's probably too nice and he may possibly be too much of 'one of the boys' so to speak. The thing about leaders and managers is the best ones are the ones who can be both a nice guy and a right bastard. Sir Alex had that equilibrium. Jose Mourinho used to have that equilibrium but these days he leans too much into the bastard side. OGS seems to lean more into the nice guy side. "Nice guys finish last" as the old saying goes.
He can talk the talk but he's done very little to walk it. I don't believe this 'needs time and transfer windows' schtick either. You get time if you've done well previously. We almost seem to be going off of blind faith at the moment. I will say the group of players he has does have the ability to finish Top 4 going by their ability to grind out wins against better teams, but it seems to be those teams play in a way that suits our one and only way of being effective.
I think a better manager would be able to motivate them better (players don't need much motivation if they're playing the top sides) and set up the team to beat those pesky lesser teams who sit back, as well as have the ability to mix up our play style and not be predictable.
He also said in his presser that we had two or three counter attacks going? I could not believe it. Is this the only way he knows how to coach a team? Counter attack only?
I still can't believe the decision to start Lingard and Shaw tbh. Had to feel for Rashford and Martial tonight having zero support from Shaw down the left.
Just another embarrassing performance under Ole. RVP saying these players don't fear him and why would they, Lingard is still starting after the horrible form he's been in.
There's no way he can be the manager going into next season. The lack of quality overall in league has been his saving grace and to a degree masked just how bad United have been, but if United have any aspirations of becoming a top club again then Ole has to go.
There's no way he can be the manager going into next season. The lack of quality overall in league has been his saving grace and to a degree masked just how bad United have been, but if United have any aspirations of becoming a top club again then Ole has to go.
Just without the improvement. And without a manager who can attract the calibre of players that Klopp attracted to Liverpool.
At this moment in time Moyes will make this team more hard to be beaten. This is the Moyes kind of mentality. We may not win against City, or Spurs but for sure would not have lost to Newcastle, Sheffield United and other sundries that we have lost this season already.
We understand when a manager has very little influence over the players. What he started with were players motivated by factors outside of his realm of influence and we all remember what that looked like. When that dissipated we have the dumpster fire wrapped in a train wreck you see before you.
We play small time football so not surprising that getting counter attacks going is worth a pat on the back.
There are too many factors beyond OGS control for me to come to that conclusion yet. Namely lack of quality depth in squad, and even after that, lengthy injuries to pogba and martial.
I don’t think 5th place and still in 3 cups is a trainwrick at all given that context. In fact better than I expected at start of season.
Going forwards more lengthy injuries to McT and Pogba and without equal replacement makes 2nd half of season as tough.
If you are objective and fair, these things can’t be just waved away. So I simply don’t know if OGS has long term potential or not right now, and am satisfied with his performance given the specific circumstance.
How do you expect ‘big time football’ given our available resources? Honest question!
The club was second from bottom when SAF took over. SAF had already won the Scottish League a few times when Scotland was a good footballing nation. He had beaten Bayern Munich and Real Madrid to win the Cup Winners Cup too. What has Ole won to compare with that? The League in Norway. He then got Cardiff relegated at the first big opportunity he had. Might as well get the manager who won the league in San Marino or the Faroes?
I know all of this and more.
Given all the specifics since the summer, I still don’t know if OGS has ‘failed’ and can’t mske that view yet. Given the circumstances I think our results are on par.
I wrote in another thread that the real trick the board missed was getting in Rodgers over the summer, whose CV is even better than SAFs was when he joined.
But we made our choice in OGS and we should back that choice til at least this time next year, and afford him 6 or more new players in that time.
And have a shortlist of potential new managers who will build on whatever cultural equity he created should OGS leave.
Our resources are great. More than most and more than enough. What do you think of Liecester resources? Or Liverpool prior to 17/18 (where they managed to play swashbuckling football)? Or Chelsea's (even they play progressive front foot football despite results)?
If you could look back and say we play with a lot of effort and have looked like a cohesive unit most games, but things haven't broken our way you'd have a point. No excuse you can make can explain simply not turning up and having a collective 11 man meltdown about two out of five games.
It's not merely about results. I remember when Mourinho finished 2nd and Klopp finished behind us (17/18). Even then many of us had said that despite our better results over the course of the league campaign, Liverpool were taking bigger strides towards becoming a top class football team. And if I'm not mistaken this was before they spent big. Their defence was leaky but their football was slick, dominant, exciting and fitting for a club that wanted to be the best. Klopp's tactical ideas were clearly visible from watching that team play and it was a modern/progressive system which was suited aim high i.e dominate teams.
There are many other examples but the point is that clinging on to mere results, which aren't even impressive, and ideological choices (youth etc) as signs of true progress IMO is as flawed as it was when people were hailing Mourinho. We need to make progress on the football pitch. In the way we play the game. In the fluidity and cohesion of the team. And that progress needs to be in the right direction - aimed at becoming a dominant football team. And I see none of it under Ole. For me, he's an average manager for this level. On that'll come and go and make way for someone else to have for sort us out. He's got a few ideological parallels with SAF in the same manner that 99% of players/coaches/fans for whom the SAF era was close to their hearts would. We'd all like to pkay exciting football with young players. I'm sure Rene (our ex coach) should. I'm sure the sardars who sit near the dugout would too. They all can't manage this football club. At the end of the day, alongwith focus on youth or pace or whatever, to be successful at Manchester United you need to be top class coach or one that's on his way to soon proving himself to be one. Ole is neither. His United focus on youth but tactically, in terms of how well they are managed /coached on the football pitch, they are an average run of the mill team. We need better. Sooner or later the people in favour Ole will sadly realise this.
There are many other examples but the point is that clinging on to mere results, which aren't even impressive, and ideological choices (youth etc) as signs of true progress IMO is as flawed as it was when people were hailing Mourinho. We need to make progress on the football pitch. In the way we play the game. In the fluidity and cohesion of the team. And that progress needs to be in the right direction - aimed at becoming a dominant football team. And I see none of it under Ole. For me, he's an average manager for this level. On that'll come and go and make way for someone else to have for sort us out. He's got a few ideological parallels with SAF in the same manner that 99% of players/coaches/fans for whom the SAF era was close to their hearts would. We'd all like to pkay exciting football with young players. I'm sure Rene (our ex coach) should. I'm sure the sardars who sit near the dugout would too. They all can't manage this football club. At the end of the day, alongwith focus on youth or pace or whatever, to be successful at Manchester United you need to be top class coach or one that's on his way to soon proving himself to be one. Ole is neither. His United focus on youth but tactically, in terms of how well they are managed /coached on the football pitch, they are an average run of the mill team. We need better. Sooner or later the people in favour Ole will sadly realise this.
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