Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Halftrack said:
It was top 4 twice in the last five years, the last just two small years before he was appointed.

And you seem to be trying to convince me that they improved under him and that he did a very good job with them. You don't have to do that, I already know he did. See, I'm capable of thinking that while also acknowledging that he didn't take over some mid-table team.
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OK. Twice in 5 years, in comparison to 3 years in a row in 4 years, and 4th in both of those years, in comparison to 2nd and 3rd twice. It doesn't distract anything from the fact that his previous 3 years were the best in terms of league positioning for Spurs since the start of PL, and that no one ever expected them to be a regular top team around top places and even having a chance to challenge for the league when he was appointed. Again my problem with you is hindsight. You talk like as everyone were expecting Spurs to reach that eventually when they finished 4th previously. I doubt anyone thought anything other than it was a fluke of a season, and that they will be back again to 5th and 6th at best. Wasn't the last time they finished 4th previous him was thanks to Chelsea having a meltdown in the league when appointed Di Matteo as a caretaker?

He didn't take a mid-table club but he didn't take a top team either.
 
ash_86 said:
call out to his sub that initiated the comeback would be nice.
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Of course his initial subs made all sense in the world. Half of the caf wete calling for them after first 15 mins. By the way, I give Ole full credit for sorting his mess out. So the way it went was bad: piss poor>>>brilliant>>>poor. His cowardness cost at the start and at the end.
 
Feed Me said:
This 3-3 against SU has saved him, think about that for a moment
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I hope the board has some sense left in them.


VP89 said:
The issue wasn't just the system though. Our players just looked like they didn't need to work for the ball as much and when they had the ball, a lot made so many unforced errors.

His post match interview is bizzare too. Inferring a draw is great because last year we'd have lost by 3 or 4. This is Sheffield United for fecksake, we should be pushing for top 4 not pissing around trying to be better than average.
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He really said the draw was great?!
 
shahzy said:
Can we hurry up and get Pochettino already. Who are we trying to fool. Solskjaer will be fired at one point as he is just not good enough but apparently keeping him longer and making it look like we 'tried' for longer is good for optics? Rubbish
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By the time he’s fired Poch will be enjoying success elsewhere.
 
Madzik_92 said:
I've just seen Rio tweet, and he was praising Wilder. But, why won't he just admit that Ole is out of his depth? Because they're teammates before?
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Because he knows our squad is shit.? We have one WC player and he is a goalkeeper. Rest is average or championship level.
 
Whether Ole is good enough or not - he needs to completely break down the barrier between the under 23's and the first team now.

There just isn't enough players for kids to be introduced slowly, there isn't quality and experience to give them a helping hand either.

Let players like Greenwood, Garner, Gomes start matches for us now because they ultimately help us in both quantity and quality - no matter how small that may be.

I don't think Ole is tactically good enough - yet I am willing to change my opinion if he gets it right with the kids because it's something that leaves a decade of a potential imprint whether he is the manager or not.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
This tired argument again.
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It's baffling logic that ignores the fact that for every manager who's given an extended period of time at a club to succeed like Fergie, there are plenty who just don't irrespective of how much time they're given. The fact that there were points where we could have gotten rid of him before he was eventually successful shouldn't be used to negate other cases where it's quite a clear a manager should be sacked.
 
SAFMUTD said:
Its clearly not just about the players, in many games including today’s the tactical approach has been a total failure. He could start by there, I get you point but judging by how Ole acts on the outside I very much doubt its any different on the inside.
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The tactical approach shows that usually, we are well setup for the 1st half. If we stop the games at half time, we are not too far from Liverpool.
In game management was an issue.
Today, very strangely, the initial setup was not working, and so he changed and it worked better.
For me, that's interesting.

Nevertheless, I stand by Ole.
 
Giggsyking said:
I feel sorry for the boys playing under the management of a coach who is novice and incompetent. He changes the formation for 10 minutes and we score 3 goalsthen he shift back to the first shitty formation. He is the worst manager in the league by a a mile. A club of the size and the prestige of Manchester united has a manager who is best English managerial experience is relegating teams. It is a sad period in the clubs history, but he as a club legend should walk away and respect himself, tomorrow go to Ed and tell I want to leave, give me my salary for one year and I leave on mutual consent. But I know he will never do that, he will bring this club to the ground and will never think of leaving.
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We did not shift back, we put Axel in the middle, why is that so f****** hard to understand?
 
Pochettino is an immediate gigantic upgrade on Ole.

Nagelmann in the summer likewise.

There's nothing to discuss here. If you don't do anything to improve such a glaring weakness you don't deserve to ever call yourself a top football club.
 
Water Melon said:
Of course his initial subs made all sense in the world. Half of the caf wete calling for them after first 15 mins. By the way, I give Ole full credit for sorting his mess out. So the way it went was bad: piss poor>>>brilliant>>>poor. His cowardness cost at the start and at the end.
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Probably every manager would have done that sub and it's easy to discuss in the hindsight. If we've seen out the game it would have made sense.
 
Mainoldo said:
What exactly are you giving Ole credit for? We can back from a wonder strike. Yet again no game plan. The only time he used his game plan he made us worst. First starting Jones then changing the formation back to make us concede again. To a similar defensive set up that seen us concede to Liverpool.
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I agree that his approach is flawed on various levels but now giving it a serious thought, I don't think sacking him will help. Its not like he has lost the players. They are fighting for him. Let him do his job and evaluate at the end of the season.
 
Gasolin said:
The tactical approach shows that usually, we are well setup for the 1st half. If we stop the games at half time, we are not too far from Liverpool.
In game management was an issue.
Today, very strangely, the initial setup was not working, and so he changed and it worked better.
For me, that's interesting.

Nevertheless, I stand by Ole.
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Do you seriously believe we played better because of Ole’s tactics? We got the first goal out of pure magic from Williams, we generated nothing before that, I attribute the goals more for little moments of brillance from the players rather than a tactical change from Ole.

He got Lingard in who did feck nothing, got Greenwood who got a goal and then feck it up getting Tuanzabe and giving the front foot to Sheffield again.

No top coach would had allowed their team to get outplayed for an entire half without changing shit like Ole did on this match. He is clueless.
 
SAFMUTD said:
Do you seriously believe we played better because of Ole’s tactics? We got the first goal out of pure magic from Williams, we generated nothing before that, I attribute the goals more for little moments of brillance from the players rather than a tactical change from Ole.

He got Lingard in who did feck nothing, got Greenwood who got a goal and then feck it up getting Tuanzabe and giving the front foot to Sheffield again.

No top coach would had allowed their team to get outplayed for an entire half without changing shit like Ole did on this match. He is clueless.
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If you want to go by half time results , we should be 2nd in the table behind Liverpool. I guess there is nothing to worry then.
 
ash_86 said:
If you want to go by half time results , we should be 2nd in the table behind Liverpool. I guess there is nothing to worry then.
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You are deviating from the point, what does that has to do with the fact that he saw the team failing and being completely bullyied for 45 minutes without changing a thing?

Regarding the thing that we would be second on the table then that speaks awful for Ole, it means he isn’t able to lock down the results. Either way it doesnt land good for him, poor results, poor tactics, poor style, and a poor manager.
 
SAFMUTD said:
You are deviating from the point, what does that has to do with the fact that he saw the team failing and being completely bullyied for 45 minutes without changing a thing?

Regarding the thing that we would be second on the table then that speaks awful for Ole, it means he isn’t able to lock down the results. Either way it doesnt land good for him, poor results, poor tactics, poor style, and a poor manager.
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It means the games don't finish at halftime so there is no use talking about it. Manager rectified the issue and changed the game. It's you who is missing the point.
 
Even after stumbling on the right tactic by accident he went straight back to the old tactic. It just proved he had no clue what they did to score 3 goals. Players were good enough to win, manager isn't and will never be.
 
ash_86 said:
It means the games don't finish at halftime so there is no use talking about it. Manager rectified the issue and changed the game. It's you who is missing the point.
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My point its good managers change things at the moment they realize their plan is not working. By that logic there’s no point in judging anything between the game since it doesn’t finish until the 90th minute.
 
Mainoldo said:
I remember them being really close with Carrick I remember them always being there and there abouts. However they have never been this good. So I don’t get your argument. Newcastle have also been there abouts for a while aswell. But if he did the same for Newcastle that would be Newcastle’s best side since Keegan’s one season.
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Of course he has improved them - I have never said that Pochettino was a crap manager. My Point is and has Always been that Pochettino didn't work miracles. It's not like he took a team that ended 10th or even 8th every single season and turned them into world-beaters.

He took a team that ended 4th, 5th or 6th a total of 7 of the last 9 seasons before him - and improved them so they after 2 years were excellent. But 18 months later they imploded.

In my books - that is not the guy I want in charge of United.
 
We need to talk about players progression under Ole. This is one of the things that we never saw previous managers. Our forward line is flourishing. Rashford is in form of his life for both club and country. At this rate he's be closer to 20 league goals by end of season. He's developing nicely into an amazing player that everyone though he should be. James acquisition has been fantastic. Two assists today from him and he's playing like a 70m player. Martial is playing in his best position and is flourishing. It's no coincidence Rashford form has been fantastic since Martial came back from injury. Scott has proved everyone wrong. He's developing into a very very good box to box player and also contributing to goals. Fred has improved leaps and bounce and looking like a PL level player after being hopeless last season. Ole trusted Brandon Williams against one of the toughest and physical sides in the premier leagues and he repays by getting a goal back that started the comeback.

Our scorers today Brandon- 19yr, Greenwood - 18yrs, Rashford 22yrs. Such a young group of players that are pulling their weight and changing the game for the manager. We still have Pogba to come and i'm excited to see the midfield pairing of Pogba, SMT, Fred feeding our inform front 3. There is so much things to be excited about with the amount of youth that's on display. Yes, this is a young teams and we are going to see performances like the first half now and then. We are also going to see exciting performances like Brighton , Norwich , Chelsea ect. Since we got back Martial we have played 8 , won 5 , draw 2 and lost 1 in all competitions. Give the team till end of the season and then re evaluate .
 
SAFMUTD said:
My point its good managers change things at the moment they realize their plan is not working. By that logic there’s no point in judging anything between the game since it doesn’t finish until the 90th minute.
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You cannot start making subs in the 10th or 15m of the game. It demoralizes the players. It's very common to regroup at halftime , talk about how the second half is going to play out so everyone is on the same page. What would have been bad is to do this at 70th or 80th min.
 
ash_86 said:
You cannot start making subs in the 10th or 15m of the game. It demoralizes the players. It's very common to regroup at halftime , talk about how the second half is going to play out so everyone is on the same page. What would have been bad is to do this at 70th or 80th min.
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You dont necessarily need to change players to change the tactic set up, but its not uncommon to see managers change players before half time, specially when its clear as sky that the set up its not working. We were lucky to only concede one on the first half, we should had been 3 down if not by De Gea.
 
SAFMUTD said:
You dont necessarily need to change players to change the tactic set up, but its not uncommon to see managers change players before half time, specially when its clear as sky that the set up its not working. We were lucky to only concede one on the first half, we should had been 3 down if not by De Gea.
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I think we were trying to change it tactically but the player's heads were turned and it made no difference. We are quite a young team and it's not uncommon that it happens at an intimidating ground such as Bramall lane. We needed the break and used it well to dish out instructions and make the changes. I do agree that we could have been more than a goal down.
 
SAFMUTD said:
Do you seriously believe we played better because of Ole’s tactics? We got the first goal out of pure magic from Williams, we generated nothing before that, I attribute the goals more for little moments of brillance from the players rather than a tactical change from Ole.

He got Lingard in who did feck nothing, got Greenwood who got a goal and then feck it up getting Tuanzabe and giving the front foot to Sheffield again.

No top coach would had allowed their team to get outplayed for an entire half without changing shit like Ole did on this match. He is clueless.
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So he gets zero credit for subs and changes that turn 0-2 into 3-2, but trying to defend a lead by putting on a defender is 100% his fault...interesting

We played a back 3 vs Liverpool who use the same kind of high press and it worked really well. Yesterday it did not work at all mostly because Jones is not a midfielder and Pereria has his worst game yet, which meant Fred had to play midfield alone. And do people seriously believe Sheffield would just give up? At home?

I just dont get all the negativity. Yes, conceding in injury time is really disappointing after a great comeback like that, but going from 0-2 to 3-2 away from home shows strength and character. Williams gets a start ahead of Young in a difficult away game and scores, Greenwood also get a chance and scores. Youth players are getting chances. James is directly involved in two goals again and Rashford is well on his way to his best season ever.
 
Got to blame Ole for the wrong formation he started with (he's currently deluded himself thinking it wasn't the case) but got to give him credit for his subs to even made the 3-2 come back.

For conceded that 3rd goal, got to blame the players. Players were really poor to defend that 3-2 lead and we should have never let Sheffield's player to messing around in our penalty box too long, should have clear the ball right away and be a nonsense players.

The Axel's subs makes sense because you won't trust Lingard in DM or CM in the last minutes of 3-2 lead, although difficult for him to pick who he should sub off. Martial is our only centre forward, harsh to sub off Greenwood & both Rashford & James are good in pressing the opposition. I would have sub off Lingard but again I understand why he won't sub him off since he just came on.

I think the result might be different if we have McTominay in midfield at least. He had no other choice but to start Pereira and he probably thinks since the midfield pair is Fred & Pereira means we have less protection for the defense and that's probably why he played 3 centre backs but that wasn't the case we were being outrun in midfield since they had 3 in the middle while we had 2.

I still think if we want to keep our top 4 or the CL next season alive we need to sign a midfield or at least on loan in January to get more cover in our midfield. Pereira & Matic won't do.
 
bdecuc said:
Solskjaer's been making good long-term decisions. Trimmed some of the fat out of the squad. Relying on young more hungry players and playing them in their correct positions. Trying to play quick tempo energetic football. Trusting his players and giving chances to youngsters. The 3 he bought have improved us. He's been unlucky with injuries and that's been compounded by underinvestment in the squad by the club.

Compared to
- Moyes who looked a wrong fit from the start and seemed to struggle with the step up to managing a bigger club.
- LVG who just seemed his best days were behind him and he was implementing a system that had been left behind, and
- Mourinho who also has been left behind and who was a toxic influence,
Solskjaer is an improvement so far.
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League table and performances would beg to differ
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
I agree that his approach is flawed on various levels but now giving it a serious thought, I don't think sacking him will help. Its not like he has lost the players. They are fighting for him. Let him do his job and evaluate at the end of the season.
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We said this about the players when they beat Newcastle. The players aren’t with him they just don’t like losing.
 
lysglimt said:
Of course he has improved them - I have never said that Pochettino was a crap manager. My Point is and has Always been that Pochettino didn't work miracles. It's not like he took a team that ended 10th or even 8th every single season and turned them into world-beaters.

He took a team that ended 4th, 5th or 6th a total of 7 of the last 9 seasons before him - and improved them so they after 2 years were excellent. But 18 months later they imploded.

In my books - that is not the guy I want in charge of United.
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He’s been there for 5 years they have been crap for 9 months. Let’s not make it longer than it is. They’ve also been crap because they had two summers of spending absolutely nothing.

You mention it’s not a good job because it’s not like he did this with Southampton. But when has an average club ever become a top club by a manager alone? It’s always been the result of money... so your asking for something that doesn’t exist.
 
Some of his quotes last night were infuriating

how standards have slipped...
 
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