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Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Buy 3 quality players asap, Striker/Winger/CM and see where it goes, If the results doesnt improve then go for a decent experienced manager.
It's that simple, I dont know why people at top cant understand this.
Agreed that we made many transfer mistakes in last 6 years so its time to rectify it and move on.
It's that simple, I dont know why people at top cant understand this.
Agreed that we made many transfer mistakes in last 6 years so its time to rectify it and move on.
Could be. I mean, at some point we'll surely start winning a few games. Even in our worse seasons post SAF we tend to hover between 5th to 8th.
We struggle against low block defensive sides because our attackers need space to be effective. That's the key reason that the results look the way they do.
The next 4 - 5 games are against lesser sides that are more expansive so in theory we should see an improvement in results, if not then I really see it being the end of the road for Ole. We'll have Pogba and Martial back too. Even Sheffield United put on a high press which if broken can lead to good break away opportunities.
It's not that we're game-raising cnuts but that this team is good to play only the underdog role, i.e. when it is not expected to dominate.
Ole doesn't seem to know how to coach possession based attacking football which we are expected to play against most teams in the league.
As much as he's not the right man, I think plenty of managers would struggle to get a tune out of certainly our current midfield, which is an embarrassment for a PL side. We've certainly been setup to fail with our current squad, and it depends who you put the blame on. No manager should have accepted to go into the season with the players we have right now.
14th now.
I expect those teams to adapt while playing United; almost everyone knows now what this United team can and cannot do.
But that's exactly what raising game means: being more determined when playing the big boys. Rashford was the best example: he couldn't be arsed to even make rudimentary runs against Newcastle but against Liverpool he was all bustle. Of course, most of our fans buy it.
Agree about Ole's inability to coach.
He was rested a bit during International week. He played only 17 mins against the Czech and 70 odd minutes in a won game and low tempo against Bulgaria. Scored a good goal and brought some of his confidence back.
Fair enough; it's hard to wipe the memory of how bad that Newcastle performance was.
Agreed on all points.
And this just shows Ole's inexperience at managing a club which is expected to compete for trophies.
It's easy to make these radical changes and finish in the bottom half of the table (or even get relegated), but it's not easy to bring in the youth AND compete for trophies.
It depends, I think a lot more coaches seem to be philosophy driven these days.
Fair enough, will be interesting to see what those games are like. But you are right: if United don't get 8-10 points from them, top 4 will be gone and Ole's position should be untenable.
Overtaken by Sheff Utd my brother. Back in the promise land of 14th. I never fancied 13th anyway.
2 away games next, 16th here we come!!!!
Love Solskjaer.
Want him to resign with his head held high knowing he tried and gave his all.
Ultimately he isn't good enough but I would be sad seeing him sacked.
Want him to resign with his head held high knowing he tried and gave his all.
Ultimately he isn't good enough but I would be sad seeing him sacked.
Agree with this.
In the league, we scored 1.71 goals per game last season under Ole. This season we are on 1.11 per game, and that's including the 4 goals vs Chelsea, a game in which they were both involved. Look at our alternatives when they are injured, I think you may be underrating their importance.
I expect them to improve us when they are back, whether it will be enough I'll leave unanswered.
Perhaps the short term memory ignores the games that came before PSG?
Regardless, it shouldn't be controversial to expect us to look better with two of our best attacking players returning. Do you not think they would make any difference?Perhaps the short term memory ignores the games that came before PSG?
I think you are overestimating the run before PSG. We were likely to drop points in many games and that luck Ole seems to be adamant about was with us at the time, along with the confidence of a winning streak.
Still can't believe we managed to win at Spurs - they completely battered us and DDG has his last worldie till date.
Before they even had chance, we should have put the game to bed. We missed few easy chances too, they went all out attack around 65th min mark, as any good team at home would do.
These same arguments hold up in the other direction for our lesser run. Anyway, this was about Pogba and Martial, and whether they will improve us going forward.
Perhaps the short term memory ignores the games that came before PSG?
The thing is, you'd expect a managers influence to show more as time goes on. There's other factors to consider with those first games under Ole, especially when it comes to motivation of the players. If I'm honest, I felt there were plenty of poor performances in that winning run too, Solskjaer said the same himself, but they all seem to get lumped in with the Cardiff performance where the football was free-flowing.
In answer to your question, all I'm saying is it's not guaranteed. The thing with Pogba, which some won't admit, is that he wouldn't have brought the same energy and resolute performance that we saw from our midfield at the weekend and vs PSG. He might bring more quality, he might continue to frustrate. He's an enigma really. The same goes for Martial too. More quality than Rashford but less determination, so when the quality isn't shining through, what are you left with? A passenger really. He looked good earlier in the season, but that is a small drop in the ocean compared to his performances over the last few years. Including after Ole got made permanent.
1) SAF Comparison.. as mentioned elsewhere by others please stop. Ole is not SAF, he’s not even Sam Allerdyce who actually keeps crap teams up.
2) Deadwood Young, Jones, still at the club, ask anyone in May who are the deadwood none would have said Herrera, Lukaku, or even Fellaini if you asked in Dec. Yes Fellaini and Lukaku were people would have liked to have seen sold and replaced with more technical players. But the way Ole got rid of them showed his naivety.
3) Win at all cost. Ole falls into this category. Although he rarely succeeds. He turns into Wimbledon against big teams, and to keep himself in a job talks as he’s a Pep like coach with a deep style of playing. After 10 months it’s obvious he doesn’t have his own unique ideas
4) He knows and loves United.... great let’s pick a random from the fan at OT and make him manager. Tbh, what had Ole said that fans haven’t been saying before he was made manager. We need to play a fluid front 3, drop Lukaku give Martial/ Rashford more chances, buy players who become world class at United. All stuff fans say... Very easy to say, the doing is hard.
5) Disrespect Ole gets.... A teacher giving a student a fail is not disrespect.
We'd definitely better off with Martial and Pogba than without them. But my guess something like 8th instead of 14th. With of without those two, Ole appears to simply be an average football manager.
The SAF thing is the worst. Let's give every manager plenty of time no matter how useless they are because... SAF. I wonder if the same posters believe we don't need to improve the 'structure' because it worked for SAF. Or why we should stick to 442 because.. SAF. Jaysus, move with the times people. Manchester United is a bigger beast now. We have to have high standards because we've been managed by the great man. Rather than pretending he never came when it comes to standards and accountability and remembering he did when it comes to assuming everyone to be his clone.
Also people go on and on about the hand he's been dealt. But he obviously decided this squad was fine for a top 4 challenge. And were in 14th place. Either he's done a miserable job or he's an awful judge of what he has. Or a bit of both. Either way, it doesn't show him in good light.
Agree with you other points too. We do owe Ole anything other than gratitude for his achievements as a player. As a manager he's a professional who should be seen as in that manner.
Ole is not making the cut he will not be a successful manager in any highly competitive environment. Doesn't have the makeup or the acumen to carry him along.
Second worst manager in the league facts.
Second worst manager in the league facts.
Please describe what this method of play is and then also describe how he has backed this up with his team selections. Including what his method is when we are not the underdog team that can play on the counter and why when Pogba was injured Matic played and why Mata/Pereira have been playing RW
It was blow for blow at some point, yes. They missed 3 or 4 one on ones with DDG from memory either with headers inside the six-yard box or from diagonal shots. On paper they had the better finishers though, which IMO failed them in that game.
We had narrow wins where the opposition also missed clear cut chances. The big difference is however we looked much more compact when protecting the lead. One reason possibly is physical condition, the other however is the confidence when we were on a winning run. When he was interim we didn't look like conceding most of the time, whilst now it's only matter of when.
Which is my point that "luck" eventually evens out. The dire run is not based on luck or couple of players missing.
Without Pogba and Martial we looked good in the first half against Pool. We should have a plan B and don't pin all our hopes on Pogba and Martial, especially considering the latter injury problems from time to time.
Ole ? United ? Fast attacking style ?
This is complete nonsense, infact one of the main reasons people want rid of Woodward was because he was chasing galactico signings
Ole has not been implementing a fast attacking style either
Like I said, upto 65th min we created better chances and after that they went all out attack and we just defended.
I disagree - it's not a question of "Game raising" it's a question of OGS has one game plan - Sit back, defend deep and catch on the break. When a team sits back against them, United have nothing and doesn't have the Midfield to dominate a match centered in Midfield
Yes, he was astute against Klopp, but he doesnt have a plan B.
The good news is the other relegation contenders will not get as many points against the top 6 (Including LCFC) as United
Mirrors my own thoughts. Good post
I would rather keep getting top 6 consistently and progress from there, at least then, we would be keeping relatively competitive and showing progress in the short-term, allowing us to easier attract better players and keep our better players, than completely gutting the squad, lowering the standards and finishing bottom half on a promise that we will be challenging for the league in a few years, as that scenario is just empty words and false hope to me.
There's no guarantee whatsoever that we will be challenging for the league in 2/3 years after this 'necessary' process. He's already botched this summer window gutting the squad of experience without replacements, dropping us down the table like a stone. What evidence do you have to point to that shows you, that Solskjaer has the necessary credentials and know-how that he's even capable of such a rebuild anyway?
You really think he is capable of going head to head with the best managers in the league, competing for the title in the future, when he struggles against lesser managers in the league right now?
Let's say we finish 12th this season. Good luck getting any ambitious top talents to join the team in the summer, it just wouldn't happen, then you face losing your better players also, then you would have to ask yourself if this ''2-3 year plan'' is really going to work after-all?
Before you know it, you're just an arrogant mid-table club living firmly in the past (ala AC Milan), because that's what it looks like where we are heading to me.
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His team managed a paltry 2 shots on target against Liverpool. He has 4 wins in 22. His teams can't score more than 1 goal in a game which puts a massive amount of pressure on our defence. I just don't see it with him. Will it take us being in the relegation zone at xmas for people to wake up and smell the coffee?
Why does he still have a job?
United Way.
Apparently being shite in the short term is good for the long term.
What the run does show. Is that the players Ole inherited are not as rubbish as he makes out, and the 2nd place they finished is closer to where the squad Ole took over should be. Granted, losing Herrera and getting rid of Lukaku and Fellaini without any replacement has made the squad weaker, even if defence has been strengthened, but that’s down to the manager.
Not going to happen under Ole. He’ll finish 12-14, if he stays benchmark will only get lowered further more. Until winning the championship will be viewed as a sign of his greatness
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