Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Mainoldo said:
It’s always a massive rebuild when you have to do the top red thing and support your manager!!! It’s a joke...

Massive rebuild my arse.
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:lol: Come on man. You can call other "top reds" all you want, but the fact of the matter is that we are in a rebuild whether you like it or not. Outside of Mouhrinos 2nd season (which he says was his greatest achievement) we have been awful since August 2013, much of it because of how utterly incompetent we have been in the transfer market

Fergie himself could step down from retirement and it still would not change the fact that we are severely lacking in both quality and depth compared to the best ones
 
A club of the magnitude, the size and prestige of Manchester united when it is under rebuild cant be below the 4th place. We are not Leicester, not Wolverhampton to build and be happy with 10th place. We are Manchester fecking united and should be doing this rebuild thing while we are not far from the top teams and by the best people ever. Not a manager from the Norwegian league and an accountant who knows nothing about football.
 
Kag said:
Solskjaer did. Because Lukaku was a fat oaf that didn’t have the mentality to play for a club like Manchester United.

He was never the answer, whether we replaced him or not.
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So what’s with the excuses for Ole having a thin squad?
Smalling was improved on by Maguire, Sanchez was a nothing player for us and losing that big oaf seemingly shouldn’t make any difference.
No excuses then, why are we shit then?
 
Bobcat said:
:lol: Come on man. You can call other "top reds" all you want, but the fact of the matter is that we are in a rebuild whether you like it or not. Outside of Mouhrinos 2nd season (which he says was his greatest achievement) we have been awful since August 2013, much of it because of how utterly incompetent we have been in the transfer market

Fergie himself could step down from retirement and it still would not change the fact that we are severely lacking in both quality and depth compared to the best ones
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Fergie’s last team was lacking in quality but he won the league. The reason it went tits up was because we hired an ‘incompetent’ manager (continued cycle) and a new board who didn’t know how to do transfer business. Following from that we have just been playing catch up. But so have Liverpool; City; Arsenal. Guess which two numpties are still rebuilding. The two that kept out of date manager/s and one that can’t spend and another that won’t spend.

But to think this isn’t working because of lack of stability is pure madness. I feel like I’ve bumped my head and woke up in 2012/13 with banners of the chosen one.
 
Bobcat said:
:lol: Come on man. You can call other "top reds" all you want, but the fact of the matter is that we are in a rebuild whether you like it or not. Outside of Mouhrinos 2nd season (which he says was his greatest achievement) we have been awful since August 2013, much of it because of how utterly incompetent we have been in the transfer market

Fergie himself could step down from retirement and it still would not change the fact that we are severely lacking in both quality and depth compared to the best ones
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We've been in a rebuild since 2013. But it is not progressive. Its 2 steps forward 3 steps backward.
 
Mainoldo said:
Fergie’s last team was lacking in quality but he won the league. The reason it went tits up was because we hired an ‘incompetent’ manager (continued cycle) and a new board who didn’t know how to do transfer business. Following from that we have just been playing catch up. But so have Liverpool; City; Arsenal. Guess which two numpties are still rebuilding. The two that kept out of date manager/s and one that can’t spend and another that won’t spend.

But to think this isn’t working because of lack of stability is pure madness. I feel like I’ve bumped my head and woke up in 2012/13 with banners of the chosen one.
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RvP, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic, Kagawa, Carrick, Scholes, Nani....the gulf in quality between those and their current United counterparts is absolutely massive, most of them CL and several PL title winners. And we both know how it went after that: Bust after bust with only a handful of actually decent transfers

Do i thin Ole has gotten the best out his squad so far? Not at all, but that still does not change the fact that we are in dire need of some quality signings in key areas.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
We've been in a rebuild since 2013. But it is not progressive. Its 2 steps forward 3 steps backward.
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Not gonna argue with that. The problem imo, especially with Jose was that "everyone" demanded instant results and that was reflected in our transfers. No point in replacing deadwood with players at the wrong side of 30 when they themselves are going to be deadwood 1-2 years later
 
Bobcat said:
:lol: Come on man. You can call other "top reds" all you want, but the fact of the matter is that we are in a rebuild whether you like it or not. Outside of Mouhrinos 2nd season (which he says was his greatest achievement) we have been awful since August 2013, much of it because of how utterly incompetent we have been in the transfer market

Fergie himself could step down from retirement and it still would not change the fact that we are severely lacking in both quality and depth compared to the best ones
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Seriously speaking managers add to their team through tactics and team selection. Ole insisting on selecting players that arent in any king of form, some who aren't good enough and failing to rectify things in time tactically to affect the game. Ole is not being slated for failing to be top of the league, he is being slated for woeful relegation form and no sign of improvement.

There is a certain degree of failure that isn't acceptable at United or any football club and from the day he was made permanent he at that and very soon this season's form will reach that stage. You can't win two PL matches in 15, then your mates say the squad isn't good enough yet you keep playing the same players who aren't good enough! Arsenal yesterday, in a tough PL away match they haven't won in 13 years weren't scared to play their 19 year old kid, where was ours? On the bench and he chose to rush an out of form player back from injury at the expense of a kid with 2 goals in 2 starts.
 
Bobcat said:
Not gonna argue with that. The problem imo, especially with Jose was that "everyone" demanded instant results and that was reflected in our transfers. No point in replacing deadwood with players at the wrong side of 30 when they themselves are going to be deadwood 1-2 years later
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I think the Jose and Van Gaal reins did much of the damage to the club that we are now struggling with. If I remember correctly, pretty much every Van Gaal signing was worse than the player he came in to replace. Whereas Jose was just lost in his foul mood from the day he stepped into the building compounded by conflicts with his biggest signing and Woodward.
 
You can tell how low anticipation and morale is nowadays, we have a game in 48hrs and nobody has even made a fecking thread for it!
 
Bobcat said:
:lol: Come on man. You can call other "top reds" all you want, but the fact of the matter is that we are in a rebuild whether you like it or not. Outside of Mouhrinos 2nd season (which he says was his greatest achievement) we have been awful since August 2013, much of it because of how utterly incompetent we have been in the transfer market

Fergie himself could step down from retirement and it still would not change the fact that we are severely lacking in both quality and depth compared to the best ones
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Rebuild towards making us a midtable club? If that's a rebuild I don't want to see its results.
 
Kag said:
Solskjaer did. Because Lukaku was a fat oaf that didn’t have the mentality to play for a club like Manchester United.

He was never the answer, whether we replaced him or not.
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A fat oaf that knew where the goal was. It was very odd selling him without bringing anyone to replace him.
 
VP89 said:
A fat oaf that knew where the goal was. It was very odd selling him without bringing anyone to replace him.
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It was beyond ridiculous.

I wanted Lukaku gone, but I'd rather have him right now than having no one. It was an obvious and basic mistake selling him and not replacing him. Sanchez is whatever, he brought nothing to the table.
 
Kemizee said:
The extent to which some wil go to defend this out of depth man. Now it is the assistants at fault. Why don't we bring in the assistants at City or Pool and then all will be well. They don't need Guardiola and Klopp just like Ole is not crucial but the assistants.
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It is a fact that our football was of poor quality pre-OGS. Our style of play isn't all his fault. I do not know how hard that is to understand for some people.
 
GenZRed said:
It is a fact that our football was of poor quality pre-OGS. Our style of play isn't all his fault. I do not know how hard that is to understand for some people.
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So because our style of play was poor prior to his time here, it should remain that way? Why is he the coach then if he wasn't gonna bring us a progressive, attacking style of play?
Is that the excuse Pep or Klopp would give at their respective clubs ; saying the style of play will remain the same because it was so before they arrived? Not good enough I'm afraid.
 
Is he even improving players? No one really seems to have improved bar McTominay maybe and...?
 
To be really honest, it started with Glazers bought this team. Fergie was excellent managing a old squad with the like of Giggs, Scholes and others as he was not given money to spend. Fergie was god to win something with such a squad. Everyone who came in struggle to properly replace these players as the money given can only replace 2-3 players per year. Young players were then identified and throw in hoping 1-2 of them have what it takes for the next step. It is happening again with Ole, Rushford, Tom, Peirera, Lingard are just not good enough. Some like Lingard is never good enough for XI. Glazers are the main problem since they bought over. They are hoping for the next Fergie or Klopp in Ole but sorry, I don’t see it. Ole doesn’t have a tactical ability or man management to move this squad in the right direction. Once Glazer sell then you will see a different Utd.
 
AneRu said:
Seriously speaking managers add to their team through tactics and team selection. Ole insisting on selecting players that arent in any king of form, some who aren't good enough and failing to rectify things in time tactically to affect the game. Ole is not being slated for failing to be top of the league, he is being slated for woeful relegation form and no sign of improvement.

There is a certain degree of failure that isn't acceptable at United or any football club and from the day he was made permanent he at that and very soon this season's form will reach that stage. You can't win two PL matches in 15, then your mates say the squad isn't good enough yet you keep playing the same players who aren't good enough! Arsenal yesterday, in a tough PL away match they haven't won in 13 years weren't scared to play their 19 year old kid, where was ours? On the bench and he chose to rush an out of form player back from injury at the expense of a kid with 2 goals in 2 starts.
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AneRu said:
I think the Jose and Van Gaal reins did much of the damage to the club that we are now struggling with. If I remember correctly, pretty much every Van Gaal signing was worse than the player he came in to replace. Whereas Jose was just lost in his foul mood from the day he stepped into the building compounded by conflicts with his biggest signing and Woodward.
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2/15 is horrid yes, but as you said. We are now struggling with the mess left behind by our former managers. To be fair, being 10th in the league and drawing the likes of Rochdale is well below our level and we clearly have players capable of more than that.

Could Ole have done better? Clearly, but imo the focus right now should be on cleaning up the squad, both of unwanted players and unwanted attitudes and building a team that can compete with the best. Aiming for short term success AND building for the long term is not impossible, but its very, very hard and what we need now is the latter.
 
r0663664 said:
To be really honest, it started with Glazers bought this team. Fergie was excellent managing a old squad with the like of Giggs, Scholes and others as he was not given money to spend. Fergie was god to win something with such a squad. Everyone who came in struggle to properly replace these players as the money given can only replace 2-3 players per year. Young players were then identified and throw in hoping 1-2 of them have what it takes for the next step. It is happening again with Ole, Rushford, Tom, Peirera, Lingard are just not good enough. Some like Lingard is never good enough for XI. Glazers are the main problem since they bought over. They are hoping for the next Fergie or Klopp in Ole but sorry, I don’t see it. Ole doesn’t have a tactical ability or man management to move this squad in the right direction. Once Glazer sell then you will see a different Utd.
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I don't agree with this line at all. We have spent 880m in 6 season, money has been available.
 
Why is no one able to answer why Ole can't get this team to take a corner kick right even for once?
After all these matches if he can't get them to do such a simple thing then what is the point of him being a manager and trying much more difficult things?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Why so? Last time you were a veritable fountain of facts, stats and info.

Maybe someone else can verify/disprove it?
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Why don't you do it yourself. If you are so interested it hardly takes much time.
 
I would bet huge money (and I will if possible?) that he's getting sacked before january.
The writing is on the wall, its a matter of when and not if.

P.S Im new to London and dont know much about betting, its not a thing in Canada. Please tell me if its possible, Im sure it is. I will 500 quid as you say that Ole is a goner before january.
 
Sweet Square said:
A.C. Milan haven't won a trophy since 2011 and in europe their last win was in 2005. United have won 3 trophies(League Cup, Fa Cup and the Europa League) since Fergie left.

Yes things haven't been great lately but we haven't turned into Milan.
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2005 was the epic 3-3 Liverpool comeback, you mean 2007 vs Liverpool again.
 
TRUERED89 said:
2005 was the epic 3-3 Liverpool comeback, you mean 2007 vs Liverpool again.
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Nope no idea what your on about here, pretty sure AC Milan cruised to a 3 - 0 victory and everyone was happy. Thats 100% what happened and I won't believe anything else. Good bye.

Your right it was the 2007 final not the one in 05
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Did that last time and got it wrong - I'm sure you remember.

We agreed that I'd run it past you next time, so that's what I was doing.
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And I have told you how to check. All you need to do is open wiki for each ManUtd season and count the points.
 
roonster09 said:
And I have told you how to check. All you need to do is open wiki for each ManUtd season and count the points.
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Seems legit to me...!

Just wanted to check in with you as agreed last time 'round.

Obviously you only do stats when they support a specific angle you approve of - which is a bit silly imo, but each to their own.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Seems legit to me...!

Just wanted to check in with you as agreed last time 'round.

Obviously you only do stats when they support a specific angle you approve of - which is a bit silly imo, but each to their own.
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Stop the dumb argument. What was agreed? That you said you will check with me and I said hopefully we don't have to do that.

I do it when I feel like doing it, not because some lazy arse wants it to be done.

And what specific angle? That I'm supporting Ole? Instead of looking for silly arguments, if you read posts you will see where I stand on that.
 
The aim was top 4 at the start of the season. Now it seems like top6 would be a decent result while we are set firmly in the middle of the table. 12 points behind Pool, 4 points ahead of Villa and Newcastle who are in relegation zone. I doubt that Ole will survive until after Pool game. I also doubt that the Board would be willing to spend big, if Ole does not win their trust. The way we are sinking is unfeckingforgiveable.
 
There's an ITK saying that Ole won't be sack by the board and he'll be backed by the board. If it's true then we can all pray for the goodness
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
Seems legit to me...!

Just wanted to check in with you as agreed last time 'round.

Obviously you only do stats when they support a specific angle you approve of - which is a bit silly imo, but each to their own.
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Pointless argument aside, I've just checked for you and according to Talksport who checked with I think Opta? This is our worst first seven league matches since 1989 (30 years)
I think it's 2 points worse off from Van Gaals first season, not sure about mourinhos last, might be one worse?
I think last week (match week 6) it was joint with Van Gaals first season, according to the premier league website.
 
I was behind Ole, and parts of what he’s doing I fully agree with. That said, there are other key areas in which he’s clearly fecking clueless to me.

The weakest area of our team, by far, is the shambles of a midfield. It wasn’t that bad when he took over. He has weakened the balance of it, massively, by changing the structure of the midfield to a 4231 and putting Pogba deeper. We had something that worked at least.
 
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