Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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They want to bin him off but without actually binning him off. Move the dithering fool upstairs.
It's so they can see him sacked as manager but it makes them feel better if he remains at the club in another role. I don't think we need to sack Ole yet but if he's sacked, we move on.
He might be better DoF than a manager, but this decision has to be a serious business.
We aren't the "give Ole a job" foundation. Essentially this guy(DoF) should be more important than the current manager and the one who will steer the club for years to come.
Not a good enough coach, and now the honeymoon period has died he is simply not good enough in my opinion.
Our players still aren't pressing together, moving off the ball well enough and knowing when/not to release the ball. They're clearly not being coached well enough. I understand Woodward is at fault for letting this squad become so crap but Ole's 'style' is not really showing through at all, after 10 months in charge you would at least expect signs of it.
However, is there anyone on the market? Maybe Poch soon. He would definitely help us attract better players but we would need a DOF above him who Woodward seemingly wants to 'take his time' appointing.
Our players still aren't pressing together, moving off the ball well enough and knowing when/not to release the ball. They're clearly not being coached well enough. I understand Woodward is at fault for letting this squad become so crap but Ole's 'style' is not really showing through at all, after 10 months in charge you would at least expect signs of it.
However, is there anyone on the market? Maybe Poch soon. He would definitely help us attract better players but we would need a DOF above him who Woodward seemingly wants to 'take his time' appointing.
If Ole is sacked, we should move on instead of making him DoF. DoF is very important role which needs very good network, relationship with agents and also good relationship with other clubs. Ole was manager all his career, no point moving him to DoF.
At least we can finally agree on something.
He is going to get sacked eventually. I am really shocked that he has not been to get even the taking of a corner kick right.
I mean surely all the coaches and Ole can see it for themselves or are they so blind that they cannot see it?
Phelan has played with Bruce and also been the assistant manager where players like Vidic is always a threat on set pieces. We have Maguire, McTominay, Pogba, Lindelof, Matic who are very good headers of the ball. Yes Lindelof may mess it defensively but in the opposing box he is fairly good.
So I can't understand why we can't even threaten from a set piece. It looks like they never ever practice.
I mean surely all the coaches and Ole can see it for themselves or are they so blind that they cannot see it?
Phelan has played with Bruce and also been the assistant manager where players like Vidic is always a threat on set pieces. We have Maguire, McTominay, Pogba, Lindelof, Matic who are very good headers of the ball. Yes Lindelof may mess it defensively but in the opposing box he is fairly good.
So I can't understand why we can't even threaten from a set piece. It looks like they never ever practice.
Literally no one is suggesting the DOF role as a way to ease the pain. He's a multi millionaire performing pretty badly as a manager and he'll be deserving of the sack if things continue.
I think anyone suggesting the DOF role is pointing to our most thought out transfer window in years where we avoided the pitfalls of Bale and actually bought with an ethos in mind; young British players with potential who might give 10 years to the club instead of unmotivated mercenaries out for a pay day.
You can disagree if you want but writing it off as sentiment is way off the mark.
I know likes of Matic, Mata, Pereira, Lingard and host of other players are shit but can't believe we have posters who are genuinely typing that they are not good enough to beat a 17th placed League 1 side at home
All this talk about a squad overhaul is just pipe dream. At no club, and I repeat no club does the board sell all the current crop and buy the manager a new one. Every manager who takes the job from a previous one has to make do with what they've got and improve the few good ones who are in there. Only at United, our fans seem to believe in a bizarre notion that every manager needs 4-5 windows and £500m before we can even resemble like a PL side. It's just bonkers.
All this talk about a squad overhaul is just pipe dream. At no club, and I repeat no club does the board sell all the current crop and buy the manager a new one. Every manager who takes the job from a previous one has to make do with what they've got and improve the few good ones who are in there. Only at United, our fans seem to believe in a bizarre notion that every manager needs 4-5 windows and £500m before we can even resemble like a PL side. It's just bonkers.
Whoever get's the job, will have a huge task on their hand's either way, I think Manchester United are the creators of their own downfall to a degree(by becoming so successful we set a really high standard for what we expected in the future), we had SAF for so long, and we had the ability to feast on so many trophies, but good thing's do not last forever, I guess, irrespective who the next manager will be, or who the next DOF will be, it's a long road ahead I feel.
But we must not forget we have come back from worse, way worse, yes it hurts to see us play so horrible, yes its horrible to see players only care about money these days but at the same time we need to remember we can come back, it will take time, patience will need to be a virtue, there will be a lot of horrible results, a lot of frustration, and a lot of us will be quick to be ready to complain and moan about whatever negative results we get, its human nature of course.
I just do not see many managers out there who will improve the squad as it is currently overnight, we are just going to have to bite our lips and hold on to the seat because the ride is going to continue to be a bumpy one.
United(football in general really), for the most part, have lost their soul to commercialism, and that in its self has affected us as a team.
I know likes of Matic, Mata, Pereira, Lingard and host of other players are shit but can't believe we have posters who are genuinely typing that they are not good enough to beat a 17th placed League 1 side at home
All this talk about a squad overhaul is just pipe dream. At no club, and I repeat no club does the board sell all the current crop and buy the manager a new one. Every manager who takes the job from a previous one has to make do with what they've got and improve the few good ones who are in there. Only at United, our fans seem to believe in a bizarre notion that every manager needs 4-5 windows and £500m before we can even resemble like a PL side. It's just bonkers.
Because its what they've witnessed at Utd, they think it's normal. It's clearly bloody not. People just want to be ignorant so this current mess is easier to stomach.
I know likes of Matic, Mata, Pereira, Lingard and host of other players are shit but can't believe we have posters who are genuinely typing that they are not good enough to beat a 17th placed League 1 side at home
All this talk about a squad overhaul is just pipe dream. At no club, and I repeat no club does the board sell all the current crop and buy the manager a new one. Every manager who takes the job from a previous one has to make do with what they've got and improve the few good ones who are in there. Only at United, our fans seem to believe in a bizarre notion that every manager needs 4-5 windows and £500m before we can even resemble like a PL side. It's just bonkers.
Exactly, what do some people think happens when they interview them for the job? Oh don't worry about who we have because we will get you who you want? No, it doesnt work like that.
They probably even get asked, how many different players do you think you will need in addition to the ones at the club and the managers interviewing will probably say I want to play x style of football so I will need a RW, a CM and others like y player to compliment who is already there.
I have been very critical of our coaching setup. But it is becoming more and more obvious that there is a weakness with the mentality of many of our players.
I have no knowledge of what kind of sports psychology we have but the confidence level is rock bottom.
When our players first run out onto the pitch, they seem lethargic, afraid and devoid of energy.
I have read a number of sports books and a big difference between the high performing elite and the rest is down to the 4 inches between the ears - the brain and the way top quality sports psychologists maximise performance.
I have no knowledge of what kind of sports psychology we have but the confidence level is rock bottom.
When our players first run out onto the pitch, they seem lethargic, afraid and devoid of energy.
I have read a number of sports books and a big difference between the high performing elite and the rest is down to the 4 inches between the ears - the brain and the way top quality sports psychologists maximise performance.
I think there is a scared mentality at the club now, and the squad is rotten. We saw it with England for many many years, underachieving mismanaged and void of the confidence needed to succeed. Certainly think there's an element of that with Utd.
The Arsenal game won't tell us much. They are a team that will come out and attack, Ole's set up is based on that so we can counter.
It is against teams below top 5 we need to worry about.
When was the last time we went 1-0 and won?
It is against teams below top 5 we need to worry about.
When was the last time we went 1-0 and won?
I don't believe for one second signing a British core or signing all young players is the way to move forward and get back to the top. I'm not saying we should be copying the likes of RM, PSG, or Barcelona as far as signings go in that we only sign the worlds most expensive and elite footballers, but we can't be expecting to be the best again if we only sign what is rumored to be Ole's preference. The Class of 92' was a storm of the century and will not be repeated again.I do think Ole doesn't want to sign players that don't want to be here for footballing reasons which is great and the way it should be but we're not giving any player a footballing reason to sign for us at the moment.
What do you think United would look like with Ole as DoF, Woodward as the CEO, and Poch or Tuchel as manager?
and its been this way for years. Everyone knows we're toothless and all they need to do is sit back against us and they've got a great chance of winning.
We have zero confidence at the moment though. if we concede first and Arsenal are clever and go more defensive and counter attack, we will have trouble to score. That Chelsea game was an anomaly, everything we touched turned to gold. We even cant sit back and not concede chances at the moment. It will be an interesting game for sure, Arsenal have the attack to score a couple, while being shaky defensively.
Yeah, it's clear as day, the lethargic, fearful attitude right from the kickoff. I think it's due to lack of confidence in both themselves and their teammates (and probably also the manager), and the fear eventually infects everyone in the team. Basically the opposite of Real Madrid's 3-time CL winning team.
The good news is that the new arrivals seem to not have contracted it yet. Hopefully, something can be done about it before it inevitably infects them and they start to play like the rest.
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Well, what I saw was an inability to beat their defenders 1v1, except for the few good players on the team eg. Mata, Dan James, and Pogba. So I don't know what else to think except what I'm seeing with my eyes.
The other problem was we didn't play enough patterns to break them down regardless of skill. That is a tactical problem, but it doesn't negate the lack of skill I witnessed.
Leicester and Astana.
Apologies, I meant 1-0 down.
How do we turn it around, that's the question?
Think it has happened only once under him - against Soton when Lukaku scored a brace.
Agreed, but Arsenal look shaky at the back but are not worse than Astana or Rochdale in which we struggled to score goals.
Arsenal might have one of the most potent attacks in the PL as well so I think this will be the game where fans lose the sheet because if Arsenal win, they go 6 points ahead of us this early on having played Spurs and Pool whereas we have only had one difficult game really which was Chelsea at home.
We haven't actually made any comeback to win in any game under Ole so far.
Edit: Forgot about Southhampton game, so only once.
This shows the lack of mental strength in this team. All this talk from Ole about SAF, united way but he clearly lacks that. under SAF when we used to go 1-0 the second half in most games was matter of when not if. With us it is huff and puff until the opponent hits us on the break and score another and we just see the game out.
Complaining about a shit squad makes little sense when you see Jones, Mata, Pereira and Young all getting new deals under Ole. Watch Lingard get a renewal in next few months too.
What happened to the football in pre-season? It seemed as if there was some sort of plan with intense pressing and some decent football. I don't understand how that has all seemingly been abandoned within 5 games. Is it by choice or is it because of the injuries and/or player selection who who don't fit fast pace, i.e Mata, Matic.
Why are you so content to pile the blame squarely on Ole's shoulders but completely disregard Woodward and his failings?
Woodward oversees the day-to-day running of the club, all executive and critical decisions pass through him and him alone. Every transfer made since he took charge, incoming or outgoing, was negotiated and finalised by his hand, same for managerial and general backroom staff appointments. His gross mismanagement of the club (on the football side) has led us to this point.
He's appointed four managers and every single one of them has failed to do their job to an even remotely acceptable standard, spent in the region of £800 million on players - a large percentage of which have been unsuccessful - and we've gone from league champions outside contenders for CL qualification. All of this took place while Woodward has been chairman.
If Ole fails and he gets the sack, Woodward must follow. His work on the commercial front be damned.
You do realise that Ole doesn't deal with renewing contracts.
Manager's do have a say in it though.
Do they? I don't know that.
Now you do.
Preseason means utterly nothing, as myself and a number of others tried to point out...
Other teams, rightly, simply use it as a way to get fit.
No I don't.
Because exactly a year ago we're having this conversation about why ole would become our next saf
We all know how that turns out.
People are giving too much credit on awb Maguire james purchase. James is a good buy, but buying maguire and awb and having the works is no genious. Any manager with a 150m at hand could do that. Dont we all laugh at jose for only wanting ready made player?
Dare I say have someone else at the wheel.
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