Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[SplitzMagic]

Sols is a manager that needed to be mentored. After all the shit, they felt the need to bring in a 'yes' man that knows utd through and through. However, since Fergie left, everyone's been expecting fergie football and fergie ways but I think we need a new identity.

However, since moyes, we don't know what that identity is due to a lack of DOF I.e Van der Sar.

Until we get a DOF, we won't be moving forwards as we need some kind of structure and each manager seems to have new ideas about how we should play rendering players unusable or unfavoured.

DOF before we sack sols and we'll be fine. Clearly we need Poch!

 

[Foxbatt]

They really don't though...

Pogba
McTom
Matic
Fred
Mata

While thin, after not not replacing Herrera or Fellaini, is enough to at least form a coherent midfield.

Every area of the team looks really poorly coached - none of them look clued up and functional.

And most tellingly - the team as a whole is disjointed, and that is down to coaching.

Are you seriously saying that Matic, Mata, McTominay and Fred are great players who are better than most midfield players in the PL?
Of course they are not. You can pick a midfield player who are better than them at any PL club.

Where I agree with you is about the coaching. They have bad a bunch of ordinary players worse. If these bunch of players are coached better, yes they will be better than what they are doing now.

The other point I want to highlight is that it's the Manager who is fixated with certain top players. These too players are not going to come but he could have still got better players than what he has now if he was not tilting at windmills.

 

[haram]

I see the fabled Ole' fitness pre-season has already gone out of the window in gameweek 6. Who knew there was more to top level football than running eh?

Nahhh it will kick in during season 2.

 

[Tony247]

Really sad to see this state of united. We were thinking one transfer will take one step forward if not solving all the problems. But last transfer was a disaster. Getting rid of lukaku was fine - he was a lump in 18 yard box anyway - but not replacing him was catastrophic. Not adding anyone in midfield was a terrible mistake.

People were screaming through roof we need creative reinforcement but nothing happened when they had full year to plan A, plan B, plan C and so on. It seems there was no plan afterall. A peanut size footballing brain could see our midfield problem last year yet people who are paid millions could not see or chose to ignore is beyond appalling the least.

Now what? Will any new manager make this band of outrageously disfunctional assemblage work? Highly doubtful.

 

[Marcus]

The question is, would you as a top player want to join United with Ole at the wheel?

 

[Kemizee]

Sacking Ole won’t solve anything. It’s not his fault that the squad he has inherited is dire. We still haven’t signed a out and out right winger since Antonio Valencia. In that time Valencia lost his pace and was turned into a right back then let go by the club. Just think about that for a minute... Makes me laugh that people still wonder why we are in the state we are in. We sold Lukaku and rightly so he isn’t and wasn’t good enough. Sanchez basically retired the day he put on a red shirt but who can blame him? 600k a week think I’d probably call it a day too. We need to completely start again unfortunately. It’s like we’ve inherited a dilapidated property. The first thing you do is knock it to the ground and start again. That’s what Ole is doing I can’t argue with any transfers he has made. The results will come in time... we need to atleast give him another summer transfer window and see how we get on from there. Rome wasn’t built over night.

Is there a correlation between transfers and results ? Are you saying all Ole needs to be successful is to be good in the transfer market? What happened to tactical acumen and ingenuity?

 

[ManRed]

The question is, would you as a top player want to join United with Ole at the wheel?

That's not the right question. We purchased top players last few years how did that work out?? We need to get quality players who want to play for the club and will improve the dressing room as well. The recruitment last summer was good in quality but low in quantity.

 

[Marcus]

That's not the right question. We purchased top players last few years how did that work out?? We need to get quality players who want to play for the club and will improve the dressing room as well. The recruitment last summer was good in quality but low in quantity.

Fair enough. I can go along with this.

 

[Strelok]

IMO this season will see a lot of ups and downs as we're still on the 1st phase of the whole rebuilding.

We've tried a lot of short fixes and none worked out so let's give this a try. I believe in Ole, not because he's our legend but because he seems to at least have a long term plan and always did what's best for the club. Even if he has to go what he left behind would be fantastic for the next manager. A young, hungry, quite talented squad and a good balance of the book.

Anyway I still believe Ole could make it here, a couple more good transfers and we'd look decent again.

 

[Bobcat]

I would give a lot a money to be able to watch one training session of the first team. There is something fundamentally wrong about the way we approach games. It was the same against Astana despite the kids playing. I understand the excuses (valid or not) made to defend Ole but there is no excuse for the way we execute simple plays.

I want to know what the strategy is on set pieces. First why is Ashley Young taking them when he's been terrible at it for years ? If the delivery isn't good enough from Young, can't we just switch the player Pereira or Mata ?

When DDG clears the ball, why Lindelof and Maguire are standing inside the 6 yards box so far away from the rest of the team leaving them no options but to play a long ball that we always lose ?

Why is Rashford not pressing the opposing defenders but sometimes go all the way to press the goalkeeper if there is no one to follow and making him lose energy for absolutely no reason ?

Why is no one on the bench reacting to this ?

To me, there is no Glazers or Woodward reason to explain this, it's the coaching staff not doing a job good enough. In his press conferences, OGS talks a lot about the "United Way", playing fast and with the desire to always score goals so why are we seeing the exact opposite ?

Its not though. We attempt to play good football, but we aren't doing it. We try to thread it through the middle, but the final pass fails because the movement is to obvious or the pass is not good enough, we try to move it around to break down organized defenses, which often ends in a poor cross that floats over everyone or at times a good cross that no one gets on the end of because we lack players with real killer instinct in front of goal. We attempt to be ruthless on the counter, but cant do it because outside of Pogba, Martal and Rashford, we have no players with the pace, vision or ability to do them fast enough

We attempt to have an organized press, but we fail because our MF players are neither good enough nor have they played enough together to have any sort of chemistry or understanding. We attempt to play it out from the back, but it does not work without Pogba because without him there are no players in MF that has the ability or the bottle to carry the ball forward and try and pick out a pass. We are shite at corners and free kicks since we have no set piece specialist and we have not had for years.

If you look back on Joses last season, there was so much hoofing. The sad thing is though, with the players we have available right now, that would probably have fetched us more points than trying to playing pretty fotball and failing spectacularly at it

 

[Fracture90]

As proven he is a quite lazy, for me does not stretch the back four enough with runs, he is alright with his back to goal, no where near world class, not in the class of Firmino, Aguero, Kane etc. Yes he is clinical but for me he does not have the instinct of a number 9, Jose/Ole have both said he does not score enough scruffy goals, fox in the box type goals they are always worldies.

Why IMO is he best suited to the left wing.
At his best when running at defenders;
Can cut in from the left and get you 12/15 goals a season
can go wide and put a ball in, has tricks, can beat players, which opens up space/chances for a proper number nine in the box;
The way we play he will see far more of the ball from the left, he is creative, you stick him up front with our midfield who is picking him out? For me when he plays up top he always seems very isolated and pretty easy to play against.

Most of his goals have come from him being a left winger/inside forward, am I wrong?

For me that is by far and away his best position, at the minute at United, he is our best no 9, which is saying something and shows exactly how short we are.

Isn't him being lazy most attributed to him when he was playing as a winger? Where his overall movement was quite poor, he wasn't making enough off-the-ball runs behind the defense? Something that has changed ever since this year he started playing as a #9. Of course he isn't in the class of those you've mentioned, but that might be down to him not being played enough in a #9 position, remember Ole just started playing him there. Same goes for scruffy goals. But overall he showed in these few games he's better suited for a #9 role imo.

Put any talented player that's naturally good one on one on the wing and he'll look good, but problem with Martial is that on the wing his skills are poorly utilised as he's pretty much condemned to only cut inside which in turn makes him much predictable and easier to guard. Unlike when he's playing the #9 where he can use the most of his skills to hold the ball, pass it, create an opportunity for himself and the others.

He scored most of the goals on the wing because he was played as a winger 80% of the time under LVG and Mourinho...but even still whenever he was deployed as a #9 he didn't lack goals. Like that Burnley game away where he scored a brace.

 

[Fracture90]

Yes, they were unable to make purchases and their best defender is missing. However, I still don't think they look great in defence, as in I'm not seeing what Lampard is trying to do with making them better. They look poor from set-pieces and when attackers go direct at them, ergo I don't think they look great in defence. Rudiger or a new signing might sort that, but I'm not so sure.

Agreed, we are leaking goals but I honestly think that is a result of our midfield. Yesterday, Yarmalenko literally runs away from Pereira and then later in the move Matic looks at him and neither actually track him into the box. That is symptomatic of the issues in midfield, no one taking responsibility or being invested in the defensive side of the game. The defence looks better, but they can't sort everything until the players at the base of the midfield are improved upon.

But mate don't you get it? Exactly because of the way Lampard has got them playing you can pinpoint the issue and expect them to improve in that area, ie. in this case being their defense. Whilst on the other hand, we got no style and identity and once again it appears our issues are in every area of our team.

 

[darko]

They really don't though...

Pogba
McTom
Matic
Fred
Mata

While thin, after not not replacing Herrera or Fellaini, is enough to at least form a coherent midfield.

Every area of the team looks really poorly coached - none of them look clued up and functional.

And most tellingly - the team as a whole is disjointed, and that is down to coaching.

How many poor coaches since 2013?

 

[Wolff]

You realise that our expectations and Everton fans' are completely different? (or at least it used to be, now it seems that half of our fans would be fine finishing 10th as it's a part of the process to become great again). I don't see much kneejerking, just people who tell it how it is unlike some others who feel they must defend the manager no matter what. It was absolutely clear to me and a few others that this appointment was terrible and gonna end in one way, glad to see more and more people start opening their eyes.

Arsenal, City won so you didn't read their forum. Chelsea played excellent against the league leaders and CL champions, even deserved a draw imo (Yes I watched the game), so their fans are proud of their effort, I would be. That leaves Tottenham that lost away to Leicester. The other teams are irrelevant to compare to since they don't even come close to the expectations we have as a club. So Spurs fans weren't too dissapointed with a loss away to Leicester I'm guessing? You call posters idiots left and right but the only thing you are doing is make yourself look like one. I agree there are over-reactions on here but it's a forum where people express opinions. You don't like those opinions, discuss and present your side of the argument, try to prove them wrong. Don't just call them idiots, you idiot.

I am not sure what you are quoting! The clever fella quoting out of context, or the knee jerk reactions quote? All forums are relevant, because you can actually see a big difference in how much better they understand football. I Hate to brake it to you, but at this moment in time Man Utd dosen`t have a better team than Everton, Wolves, Leicester and not even West Ham, Especially when players are injured.

Thankfully Man Utd have a very dignified match day fan group. But the level of stupidity and wannabes on this thread is staggering. Its actually mind-blowing. If it makes me walk like an idiot among idiots, so be it. I have been around football all my life, and a few forums as well. But this is the most cringeworthy and idiotic thread i have ever read. And to think this is actually Man Utd fans? Ok, i recognize there are a few posters with a Glazer chip on their shoulder who have an agenda, but the numbers of wannabes is crazy. A few good MEN are trying to debate and educate, but of what hope?
Its not easy trying to do so with five post a day, and how in hell are you going to debate idiot statements like this?

Giving them minutes isn't really what is all about. Those young players need proper coaching and proper guidance to develop. He's giving them neither at the moment because he's poor coach and a manager. No attacking drills, no tactical game plan. They can get minutes at another PL side and as crazy it might sound they will develop better if they are managed by someone like Hasenhüttl.

That is not an opinion mate, its pure drivel! And there are plenty of post`s like this. Selling players, team selections etc are opinions. Well informed or not..
At this moment the manager has no choice but to trust players like Matic and Mata.

I watch a lot of fooball. A lot. And right now there are many teams not playing good. You will struggle to see a clear plan at Juventus. Inter struggle with rhythm. But they are both scraping results. Barcelona is struggling. Real Madrid. Atletico. and so on and so on. By the logic in this thread you must believe the managers are instructing them to play bad. Pick the wrong passes and making the wrong runs.

No mate, there are so many cringeworthy posts here that it is embarrassing thinking other clubs fans would read it.

 

[Revaulx]

It seems to me that issue isn't tactics, but rather our players aren't able to handle the pressure that comes with playing for the club. The crazy fluctuation in form post-PSG suggests that they don't deal too well with set-backs, and the fact it's continued into this season only indicate it further. I think it's probably why we've been trying to get people like Evra involved as he himself is actually a stronger person to have around the dressing room.

Basically, I think this is something Ole needs to address, not necessarily tactics. I know phrases like 'winning mentality' are a bit of a cliche but we do seem to have a mentality problem, especially when we get into a poor run of form.

Also apologies if this is incoherent, I'm dog tired and the text is blurring into itself.

Not incoherent at all. And there’s absolutely no doubt you’re right.

The question is, how do you create the right mentality? Is it something players are born with, or can it be coached? I’d say the latter.

Look at England in the last days of Hodgson’s reign, and compare it to the last World Cup. I’m not saying Southgate is a top manager at all, but he gave the players simple instructions as to what they should be doing; the players understood and were able to follow those instructions and their confidence levels rocketed.

Footballers aren’t the brightest, and are used to playing in rigidly enforced systems in academies. They need to be given directions they understand and feel able to follow. That’s how you build confidence. And I’m not seeing it from Ole and his team.

Much as I love Uncle Pat, the notion that it would help if ex-players were brought in to tell the players how it was better in their day seems completely bonkers. Sentimentality seems to be Ed Woodward’s driving force right now, so I could see it happening

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I found it interesting that he mentioned in the post match interview that there were spaces where they could have played a key pass but too many players were playing the square pass and keeping it safe. Not sure why he went with Matic and Pereira to add to McTominay instead of Fred if he wanted a player who'd take some risk.

 

[Adam-Utd]

The alternative is to be excited that he stays? It's just too ends of the spectrum. You are excited that he stays. Good on you, i'm more excited on the hope we get a manger who plays attaching football and is a better manager than what Norwich have. But that's just me.

You just have to be realistic. Our squad sucks.

Norwich have 2 players in Pukki and Cantwell that would instantly make our team better. That's a promoted team!

You can only play with what we have, beyong Pogba+Martial and perhaps James at times, none of our attacking players are playing up to standard. Our midfield is very average.

We clearly struggle to score goals, so we will rarely win matches.

You can say that's down to coaching, but we've had one of the best managers of the recent PL era in charge and he couldn't do anything with them.

I personally think Ole needs time and a few windows to shape the squad how he wants, otherwise we are just going back around in circles.

I stand by what I said, would Guardiola / Klopp / Poch come into this team and start instantly winning? no. No manager is going to win matches with a centre of Mata, Pereira, Matic. I've seen more dynamic players at walking football matches.

 

[JustAGuest]

I can’t believe how excited some or you are acting that he could be sacked in the future.

Some very strange “fans” around these days.

It's the novelty of a new manager. Give it half a season after that, and it will be back to this same position. It's not too difficult to spot the overlying issue at the club.

 

[Judas]

A new quality manager would fix one of the many many issues infesting the club. But leaving Ole in charge because we've got other problems is negligent.

 

[Adam-Utd]

It's the novelty of a new manager. Give it half a season after that, and it will be back to this same position. It's not too difficult to spot the overlying issue at the club.

That's pretty much how I feel about it.

The new manager bounce we had under Ole surely shows that some players just aren't pulling their weight.

I do find it odd though how we've moved Pogba backwards when he was doing so well in the 10 position. Yes we lost Herrera but Mctominay seems to have stepped up quite well in that regard, the main issue is Lingard. He was doing well from the right side in the floating role at the beginning but he's completely fallen off the cliff.

I do think one Rashford should be moved to the right as James seems way more effective on the left.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

A new quality manager would fix one of the many many issues infesting the club. But leaving Ole in charge because we've got other problems is negligent.

It's worth arguing that you wouldn't want another manager to walk into the same stink and be knee capped from day 1.

You'd rather clean up house, set up an infrastructure that enables success before bringing that person and putting them in a position to succeed.

If Ole has to be the standby man, so be it. He's not toxic like Mourinho where he is sapping all energy at Carrington every day.

 

[StrettyEnder07]

Isn't him being lazy most attributed to him when he was playing as a winger? Where his overall movement was quite poor, he wasn't making enough off-the-ball runs behind the defense? Something that has changed ever since this year he started playing as a #9. Of course he isn't in the class of those you've mentioned, but that might be down to him not being played enough in a #9 position, remember Ole just started playing him there. Same goes for scruffy goals. But overall he showed in these few games he's better suited for a #9 role imo.

Put any talented player that's naturally good one on one on the wing and he'll look good, but problem with Martial is that on the wing his skills are poorly utilised as he's pretty much condemned to only cut inside which in turn makes him much predictable and easier to guard. Unlike when he's playing the #9 where he can use the most of his skills to hold the ball, pass it, create an opportunity for himself and the others.

He scored most of the goals on the wing because he was played as a winger 80% of the time under LVG and Mourinho...but even still whenever he was deployed as a #9 he didn't lack goals. Like that Burnley game away where he scored a brace.

Yeah mate you make some spot on points, think him becoming lazy happened when he had the No. 9 taken off him, seems to have sulked ever since.

When he is on his game I think he can be unplayable coming in from the left, can go inside or out, scores goals gets assists, but as I say when he is on his game, he is not the most consistent of players and just don't see him as our permanent number 9 for me.

As say just my opinion, I prefer him out wide but he is good through the middle just not sure it will be a permanent thing, he will be judged on his goals through the season the same as Rashford (who is taking a beating online) so time will tell.

 

[Judas]

One of my major worries about giving Ole the season to clean up is how many will want to jump ship and how poorly we might finish, which will no doubt cause us difficulty in signing the players we want in the summer. But I don't know who of real quality manager wise would come in middle of the season, so Ole just sticking it out might be the most logical, even though it will be painful viewing.

 

[crossy1686]

One of my major worries about giving Ole the season to clean up is how many will want to jump ship and how poorly we might finish, which will no doubt cause us difficulty in signing the players we want in the summer. But I don't know who of real quality manager wise would come in middle of the season, so Ole just sticking it out might be the most logical, even though it will be painful viewing.

Most of them aren't good enough anyway. We realistically need 5 new first team players including a new spine. From Sunday, if Mata, Matic, Periera all jump ship we've lost nothing but bodies.

 

[steve.crowford]

Jesus, too many moany cnuts, if you only supported United because they were successful, you can FO now and support city.
You support your Club during the bad times as well, yes we are way of the pace but ffs, we're in the premier league with a trophy room full to the brim and i can see an improvement in the squad signings, you can't off load players no one else wants overnight, incremental improvements are all that's going to happen, so it will take time, i'll support Ole and the lads.

 

[Vault Dweller]

But mate don't you get it? Exactly because of the way Lampard has got them playing you can pinpoint the issue and expect them to improve in that area, ie. in this case being their defense. Whilst on the other hand, we got no style and identity and once again it appears our issues are in every area of our team.

I do get it mate. They have identified that they need Rudiger back or they need to buy a centre half, which I agree with. However, the point I'm trying to make is that I don't think their defensive issues will be sorted by only buying a player or getting Rudiger back in. It might, but I seriously doubt it, and I think Lampard has to address that in the long run. Even after Rudiger comes back I would still expect Chelsea to concede a lot of goals and that is a result of their style of play in my opinion. Let's see how they get on.

I agree with the points about United. I get frustrated watching us pass the ball very slowly around the same players and positions before relying on someone making an explosive movement or Pogba to ping a pass from nowhere. I don't know if we are struggling because we still have such a mish-mash of a squad and so many poor players are playing still, so once the starting players come back I'd like to see how we play from there.

 

[Fracture90]

Yeah mate you make some spot on points, think him becoming lazy happened when he had the No. 9 taken off him, seems to have sulked ever since.

When he is on his game I think he can be unplayable coming in from the left, can go inside or out, scores goals gets assists, but as I say when he is on his game, he is not the most consistent of players and just don't see him as our permanent number 9 for me.

As say just my opinion, I prefer him out wide but he is good through the middle just not sure it will be a permanent thing, he will be judged on his goals through the season the same as Rashford (who is taking a beating online) so time will tell.

At the end of the let's hope he does a great job in whichever position he's deployed. It's perfectly fine for us to have different opinions, we both make some valid points. Cheers buddy!

 

[Foxbatt]

Some of you don't understand I feel the situation why some of us are disappointed. We all agree that Matic, Mata and McTominay are not good enough.
But you keep ignoring the fact there are plenty of players who are better than these three playing in the PL and other leagues around in Europe who would make this team a lot better without costing an arm and a leg.
Trying to get the best players in the world who even refuse to come at outrageous fees is the problem.
If Ole had identified any three players who are better than them and doesn't cost much I don't see any reason why Woodward would not have bought them.
It's the fault of Ole that our midfield is so pathetic.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Jesus, too many moany cnuts, if you only supported United because they were successful, you can FO now and support city.
You support your Club during the bad times as well, yes we are way of the pace but ffs, we're in the premier league with a trophy room full to the brim and i can see an improvement in the squad signings, you can't off load players no one else wants overnight, incremental improvements are all that's going to happen, so it will take time, i'll support Ole and the lads.

So anyone who's concerned at where the club is at should just feck off and support City?

As long as we're in the Premier League nobody should moan just be grateful.

 

[VP89]

From the Telegraph - "tellingly there has been some concern expressed privately by some players in recent weeks at the perception of uninspiring and old fashioned coaching that has been taking place on the training ground"

 

[sugar_kane]

From the Telegraph - "tellingly there has been some concern expressed privately by some players in recent weeks at the perception of uninspiring and old fashioned coaching that has been taking place on the training ground"

Probably the ones that aren't getting picked tbh.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Jesus, too many moany cnuts, if you only supported United because they were successful, you can FO now and support city.
You support your Club during the bad times as well, yes we are way of the pace but ffs, we're in the premier league with a trophy room full to the brim and i can see an improvement in the squad signings, you can't off load players no one else wants overnight, incremental improvements are all that's going to happen, so it will take time, i'll support Ole and the lads.

Ok, we will support City then. Or hey, maybe Juve or PSG. They will 100% bring to us (glory hunters) title and best players.
Kidding aside, support is one thing and pointing at obvious is another thing. Showing "support" means that club is above everybody.
Would you be happy if against Arsenal Phil Jones starts as captain, Matic as dmc and Lingard and Young on wings? I guess not. Why? Because you think that they are not good enough. Does that mean lack of support by you? No, it is your right to think that they are not good enough for your club. Will you want that your club lose? Of course not.

Same goes for coach. Why should coach be protected? He is part of squad, biggest part and the main man. He is the general from whom everything starts; bad and good. So if me (and other glory hunters who should go and support City) think that he is not good for our club than we should be allowed to say it. Because we want the best for our club. Don't compare faith and love with support .

 

[Judas]

From the Telegraph - "tellingly there has been some concern expressed privately by some players in recent weeks at the perception of uninspiring and old fashioned coaching that has been taking place on the training ground"

bullshit, as if there's any coaching.

 

[Judge Red]

You support your Club during the bad times as well,

But in this instance that means supporting the Glazers, Woodward and a manager who simply isn’t good enough for the club. What is the point in supporting any of that?

It’s like saying if you’re American you have to give your backing to Trump and question nothing or leave.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

It's worth arguing that you wouldn't want another manager to walk into the same stink and be knee capped from day 1.

You'd rather clean up house, set up an infrastructure that enables success before bringing that person and putting them in a position to succeed.

If Ole has to be the standby man, so be it. He's not toxic like Mourinho where he is sapping all energy at Carrington every day.

He’s sapping my enjoyment out of watching United nowadays. It’s out of habit than any enjoyment factor. Haven’t felt this way since Moyes

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

But mate don't you get it? Exactly because of the way Lampard has got them playing you can pinpoint the issue and expect them to improve in that area, ie. in this case being their defense. Whilst on the other hand, we got no style and identity and once again it appears our issues are in every area of our team.

There's a lot of truth in this statement.

When you look at Chelsea, you see:

- Lots of goals.
- Attacking football, easy on the eye for the most part.
- Shocking defence.

Looking at that, you can clearly make a case for Lampard by saying "they have a transfer ban, he's working with awful defenders. If they can upgrade that defence in the summer - plus add an attacker or two/midfielder or two - they will have an interesting team there."


When you look at United, who didn't have a transfer ban, you see:

- No goals.
- Boring, directionless football for the most part with no creativity.
- A slow midfield easily over-run.
- A defence making mistakes despite having £130m spent on it in the summer.


In other words, problems in every area of the pitch. You can't look at United and think "all they need is more goals" or "all they need is a midfielder or two". It's all across the park, all aspects of our football appears to be poorly coached, unlike Chelsea where there's one area of the field that is clearly working well.

 

[freeurmind]

 

[Andycoleno9]

He’s sapping my enjoyment out of watching United nowadays. It’s out of habit than any enjoyment factor. Haven’t felt this way since Moyes

Yes, isn't it? I even "enjoyed" more in our football with Moyes tbh. Don't get me wrong; it was dire also and Moyes was hugely out of depth since day one but at the same time we had at least some (one) attacking pattern. It was fun watching "cross cross cross" football. This what we are playing now is awful. I don't know what the hell is our plan in attack. 2 players running in space while midfielders trying through balls? And the most baffling thing is when James gets to that through ball on the wing, nobody is in fecking penalty box

 

[Shark]

He already looks a beaten man, David Moyes like at the end of his reign. We all said it, he had to start well this season, he simply had to to have any chance of building some confidence after the back end of last season's horrid run. By well, I don't mean win every single game but don't lose at home to Palace, draw away to a 10 man Wolves, draw away to Southampton and then get embarrassed 2-0 to West Ham.

In other words, problems in every area of the pitch. You can't look at United and think "all they need is more goals" or "all they need is a midfielder or two". It's all across the park, all aspects of our football appears to be poorly coached, unlike Chelsea where there's one area of the field that is clearly working well.

This is completely true, it's not even a case of what we need anymore, we're so poorly coached that it's redundant. Our passing on Sunday was something you'd see from a championship side and by that, I mean a mid-table championship side. It's atrocious and people need to wake up to the fact that we absolutely need a manager on top of his game to sort us out. Cause we simply haven't signed one yet since SAF retired.

 

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At the end of the let's hope he does a great job in whichever position he's deployed. It's perfectly fine for us to have different opinions, we both make some valid points. Cheers buddy!

Haha makes a nice change a different opinion and it not end up in kick off on here haha, yeah mate nothing will please me more than you making me eat my words come May and he has smashed 25+ goals, fingers crossed!