It's just blatant, they're just playing fans for mugs time and again, and it'll no doubt work.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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It's just blatant, they're just playing fans for mugs time and again, and it'll no doubt work.
I dont think it will work this time. We believed the director of football rubbish. But surely now we're wise to it?
Well I am, but reading some posts on here I think many think it's all Ole's fault.
I must admit, I have serious concerns about Oles ability to manage one of the top clubs in Europe.
However, this is secondary to my concern about the leeches running our club into the ground. With a net spend of £65m - £75m the last 2 Summers. I also believe any manager would struggle with this squad.
Well, we'd better hope the season ticket holders are wise to them now or else this cycle just keeps on repeating itself. Blindly supporting a struggling (and probably incapable) manager by renewing the season tickets just hands the owners victory yet again.
This quote was telling.
The stagnant, unimaginative, obsolete 'football' we all see on show every week has got the players now questioning the coaches too.
There has been a clear lack of ideas and freedom throughout the team for months now and it can't continue for much longer.
100% sounds like the start of the end to me.
Can't say i'll be sad to see him go. We drastically need to be coached properly.
When did we last played "imaginative" football?
Didn't the exact same quotes appear during the stewardship of the last 3 managers before OGS as well?
Are the players never going to be happy?
Usually that kind of blabbering is either the moaning of benched senior players or most probably invented by some reporter willing to ride on our miseries.
The team played with freedom when Ole first came in but it's been missing ever since he became permanent manager. It's been dull and lifeless ever since really.
Yeah the last 3 managers were putting on top shows of imaginative modern football.
I remember Carrick and Rooney went to LVG saying the same thing. This gets reported every year
This quote is not new. It's from this summer when one of the player moaned about all the running they had to do because of their lack of fitness during the tail end of last season. It's not a new statement. The only reason they included it is to embellish on the broader picture, and create dissent.
It's absolutely hilarious to me, that a manger who literally made the players stop worrying about the system and go out there and prove that you belong in Manchester United, is somehow being blamed for not allowing the players to play with freedom.
The thing is that this team went on pre-season and played the exact kind of football we all want to see, fast paced, high pressing, quality football. Everyone were going full tilt.
And you want me to believe now, 6 games into a season, that the players suddenly lost faith in the manager? That is not remotely believable. We are 2 terrible penalties and Mata hitting open net away from a completely different reality. The margins are so so small. And fans have no no patience whatsoever.
In other related news: Another football club is having an identical bad start to the season. Actually, they are having a worse start to their season than MUFC. FC Barcelona. Are you telling me that the megastar team with the best player in the world aren't winning games because the manager tactics wrong? Or could individual player performances remotely have anything to do with what happens on the pitch?
Nonsense, we just have to run more.
Isn't that normal when every coach since has been serving **** on a stick football?
You're not sure that another manager could have won more than 4 in the last 20 games (pretty sure one of those is Astana as well)? Talk about lowering expectations.
Whilst it's true our squad is far from good enough when we compare ourselves to elite teams, it's a big leap to think a different manager couldn't have improved on Ole's results.
If you look at Ole's pros and cons, he has a clear vision of our club, looking for young, ambitious players, and his buyings so far are meeting standard. Also he is willing to giving opportunities to our academy. And his skill towards social media is phenomenal.
However, his tactical knowledge is very weak. During the games, he just sat there doing nothing, and relying on M. Phelan to lead our team at sideline. Also according to some news, Ole is using SAF's old method, to rely on M. Phelen and other coachs to construct the daily training. So i don't really know what is the job of Ole. Maybe just giving some opinions in two transfer windows every year?
So in conclusion i think we should promote Ole to DOF as the management role, instead of a coach. Ole can become a very good "yes man" between Ed Woodward and the coach, and he knows our culture very well, constructing a blueprint for Man Utd in future.
And for the coach side, i think we need a coach, with strong character and modern philosophy to impart to our young players. J. Nagelsmann is the one i looking forward, willing to promote young players, strong character to impart his modern attacking football style to Hoffenheim and now RB Leipzig, which Man Utd is desperate need. He really remind me of Klopp at Dortmund.
However, his tactical knowledge is very weak. During the games, he just sat there doing nothing, and relying on M. Phelan to lead our team at sideline. Also according to some news, Ole is using SAF's old method, to rely on M. Phelen and other coachs to construct the daily training. So i don't really know what is the job of Ole. Maybe just giving some opinions in two transfer windows every year?
So in conclusion i think we should promote Ole to DOF as the management role, instead of a coach. Ole can become a very good "yes man" between Ed Woodward and the coach, and he knows our culture very well, constructing a blueprint for Man Utd in future.
And for the coach side, i think we need a coach, with strong character and modern philosophy to impart to our young players. J. Nagelsmann is the one i looking forward, willing to promote young players, strong character to impart his modern attacking football style to Hoffenheim and now RB Leipzig, which Man Utd is desperate need. He really remind me of Klopp at Dortmund.
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Seeing our players not press the west ham midfield is absolutely Ole telling the players to be rigid in our positions rather than press!
Matic standing still, 6 yards away from Noble with his arms behind his back trying to block a shot or cross while Noble has all the time in the world to put the ball into the box with ease was embarrassing tactics and Ole should be held accountable.
Bolded 1: You're making that up, why does it have to be old? It is totally believable the players are disillusioned considering our awful performances.
Bolded 2: You haven't noticed the difference in the team from when he first came in and ever since he was made permanent manager?
Bolded 3: I have no idea what you have been watching. That is completely untrue. We were conservative even in pre-season.
Bolded 4: I believe that would be papering over the cracks. I am not results orientated. We have been dull and uninspiring for months. Every team we come up against is a struggle and appears better coached and organised compared to us. This hasn't crept up overnight. Ole was getting outwitted last season vs the top 8 coaches. Nuno Santo, Pellegrini, Javi Gracia, Marco Silva all had the better of him last season. It has just carried on this season.
Bolded 4: I'm not buying that. I judge the manager based on what i see with the team every week for months now. We are poorly coached all over the pitch.
He is being sarcastic i believe.
Actually the best player in the world has only played 45 minutes so far, which is even more telling.
Maybe the quality of players that a team puts on the pitch affects results? I don't know, it seems a radical idea on here.
I see the fabled Ole' fitness pre-season has already gone out of the window in gameweek 6. Who knew there was more to top level football than running eh?
Now I'm not going to blindly follow the, "running wins titles" nonsense but you're never going to win whilst being out-run and out-fought by your opponent.
I don't disagree, that's a given. But i'm highlighting the way Ole's suspect coaching of the team going back to last season was collectively swept under the rug, with people believing all we needed was to run more.
A group of headless chickens with an outdated coaching setup is never going to achieve anything. You still need the nous and intelligence to go with it. I don't see any proof of an intelligent and well drilled team out there and that comes from the coach.
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Yes they did. It's groundhog day and the anti-Ole brigade will lap it up. I'm really bored of this cycle.
Good post, but sadly you're pissing into the wind now. This place will meltdown after every match we don't win easily
That you agree with that post doesn't make it good.
It's silly. We went from 10 wins in 12 to 4 in 20. I'm assuming Ole's tactic started to bed in properly by the time we fell off the cliff.
Maybe. On the other hand the fact that you don't doesn't make it bad
If you look at this rebuild as a project, OGS has done a great job of the first phase. He's got rid of nearly all the players we wanted to get rid of and he's brought in three players of massive potential, while promoting some seriously talented kids.
Don't think he's the right man to take the project to completion but in a few years' time we'll be grateful for the work he's done.
Don't think he's the right man to take the project to completion but in a few years' time we'll be grateful for the work he's done.
Results are needed to keep the best players and attract other top players. This project will lead nowhere without top players.
You sure you're not making it up now?
this made me laughhttps://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/man...d-red-devils-crazy-/6cb0l4ouw9y41byr0p01z7lfd
https://www.balls.ie/football/jurgen-klopp-man-utd-disneyland-377557
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8010889/jose-mourinho-jurgen-klopp-man-utd-ed-woodward/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/like-adult-version-disneyland-how-11509701
https://www.90min.com/posts/5793228...-outrageous-adult-version-of-disneyland-pitch
Shall I go on?
Is it? This was reported on during the pre season tour before we had even played one game. I am sure you have heard the term "confirmation bias"? When you read something you agree on, and commenters around you only cement your belief that your opinion is in fact, correct, without the need to verify any type of source.
But to prove Im not actually making this up, since you wont take my word for it, since you read a sentence in a article that fits well with the narrative you want to belive in, here is an article from July 2019 citing that VERY statement:
http://fcnaija.com/man-utd-players-complain-of-solskjaer-old-school-training -
"Manchester United players have complained about manager Ole Gunnar Solksjaer training method -just less than a week into the training for the new season.
Some of the players are of the view that the manager priorities fitness over ball work which is the major complaint of the members, according to the report in ESPN."
Were we watching the same pre season? The team had one bad half in the entire pre-season tour. The first half against Milan in the 2-2 game at Cardiff. Against Tottenham we parked the bus.. on their half. A start contrast to the PL game when the opposite happened. The game against Inter was a one way show, they never came close to being dangerous, a perfect pre-season game. Of all the players, especially Mason Greenwood had a great pre-season tour, as well as Pogba and AWB.
Listen, if the results suddenly change overnight, its not down to the manager, its down to the players. Hell, if there is no manager that attends the game, the players should be able to just go on the pitch and win the match against lesser players, they are that good. These are not children that need to be told to press or play a certain way. The manager lay the framework, the players execute. Unfortunately the ball is round and result flow is an actual thing.
As for being outcoached by everyone: http://solskjaertabellen.com/ - Even with the shitty result streak from last season, the end result was still MUFC in third after OGS arrived. I just mention it since hes still being judged this season, on last seasons run. Remember when DDG went from the best to the worst goalie in the EPL? Because I do. He was directly responsible for several losses.
Listen: If Pogba scores on his penalty, if Rashford scores on his penalty, we are 6 points up. The margins have not been there. But more than anything we lack a player that can be the go-to goalscorer. Marcus Rashford should have been that guy. Rashford alone has missed more chances than anyone. Not "so so" chances, but free-on-keeper chances. Thats not acceptable. That is on Rashford and Rashford alone. And Dalot, and Mata, and Maguire, and everyone else who has missed open net chances. I am completely holding the players accountable for their inability to execute playground level footballing skills when it matters the most.
But it would seem we look at things very, very differently. And see different teams. Especially if you came from the pre-season and think we looked poor, did you even watch any of the games?
Are you saying we have better players in storage somewhere that we could have put on the pitch? That would be a lovely idea.
all kinds of excuses being made for this guy
He’ll be gone by Dec. This is the first step that the board are slowly distancing themselves from him. Everything that comes before “but” or “however” is bull crap look at what comes after the however
Look at what they also leaked.
- Players concerned about outdated coaching method. (In recent weeks not necessarily pre season)
- Managerial ability being questioned by pundits and fans
- Squad is thin, board was willing to sign Dybala or Manduzic but Ole rejected them wanted to stick to what he had
He's gone.. Dreaded vote of confidence. Trial number 5... Woody get it right!!
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