He said after the game "we are not far away" I assume he was referring to 10th spot right? Because we are very far away from 1st
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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What disappoints me is that we don't have a clear identity. Or if Ole has that idea, then he doesn't have the people around him to execute it.
He needs to smarten up asap. Go and hire some good technical and tactically aware back room staff to add to the current personnel.
I think he 's on mostly the right track with getting rid of underperformers (eventually) and looking to have a young dynamic squad. However in the interim, he needs to have a clear idea of what those players should be doing on the pitch. I don't mind losing if I see we're going in the right direction playing wise.
We also cannot blame Ed and the Glazers for this. Ole has full licence as the manager to implement a playing style and to ensure he has the right people around him to help him execute that. Hiring friends or ex players/employees etc won't cut it.
Just making things harder for himself.
He needs to smarten up asap. Go and hire some good technical and tactically aware back room staff to add to the current personnel.
I think he 's on mostly the right track with getting rid of underperformers (eventually) and looking to have a young dynamic squad. However in the interim, he needs to have a clear idea of what those players should be doing on the pitch. I don't mind losing if I see we're going in the right direction playing wise.
We also cannot blame Ed and the Glazers for this. Ole has full licence as the manager to implement a playing style and to ensure he has the right people around him to help him execute that. Hiring friends or ex players/employees etc won't cut it.
Just making things harder for himself.
Deluded and naive living in a fantasy world. He sat there in Norway whilst being Molde manager watching our games believing what the geniuses on social media were saying.
Not really. You can meet the minimum /general objective one season and prove a failure eventually. See LVG.
We clearly struggle against teams that sit back and counter attack against us. We can't break them down and create lots of chances.
They eventually get a few themselves and end up nicking it. I feel like this squad has an attitude problem, they only want to raise their game for the big matches.
Obviously there are managers that are probably better football managers than Ole, but what he's having to achieve isn't easy. Our squad right now isn't full of amazing talent that practically wins by itself, id argue Zidane is doing a worse job at Real Madrid right now, and he won 3 CL in a row!
His career as a manager
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Are you serious? You are not convinced any manager would do better than 4 wins from 20?
Pretty much every single manager out there could do better than that...That's completely different. Mourinho publicly begged for a CB and didn't get one. He then didn't go and flog Smalling did he? He kept him on because he couldn't get Maguire.
Solskjaer personally allowed Lukaku to go without getting a replacement and quite publicly backed the strikers he had, which ultimately may cost him his job. Which was a big mistake. Even if it was Ed who refused to buy a striker (which is pure speculation from your part, as nobody from the club has come out and said that Ole wasn't allowed to replace Lukaku), Ole should have then kept hold of Lukaku and made it work. Whilst i didn't like Lukaku at the club, he'd have given us more than what we've had this season.
Moyes- 27 9 15 - 52.9%
LVG- 54 26 24 - 51.9%
Mourinho- 67 26 25 - 56.8%
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Those kind of stats are reliable. I am not a fan of the XG ones, but those tell you pretty much what to expect and where a team will finish
Listening to that tool Goldbridge having a rant on YouTube here and despite being a tool he makes points that I have been saying since the summer.
I said in the summer, don't expect the kids because once the real meat kicks off - the season itself - and the pressure cooker begins, he will do what all his predeccessors have done - revert to the old, washed up veterans. He will be fooled into trusting experience and a 'steady hand' and hope to grind out results rather than take risks.
This is also shown in how long it takes Ole to make substitutions - he's scared to take a risk. It's like rolling a dice - he's holding a 2. Yes, he could roll 3-6 if he brings on Gomes/Greenwood. He might also roll a 1. And it's this negative/tentative frame of mind that's already shining through seven games in. It will get worse.
I said in the summer, don't expect the kids because once the real meat kicks off - the season itself - and the pressure cooker begins, he will do what all his predeccessors have done - revert to the old, washed up veterans. He will be fooled into trusting experience and a 'steady hand' and hope to grind out results rather than take risks.
This is also shown in how long it takes Ole to make substitutions - he's scared to take a risk. It's like rolling a dice - he's holding a 2. Yes, he could roll 3-6 if he brings on Gomes/Greenwood. He might also roll a 1. And it's this negative/tentative frame of mind that's already shining through seven games in. It will get worse.
Myth? You've just made up a story, and believed it... to defend Ole. Where's your proof?
Mourinho publicly begged for a CB and didn't get one. He then didn't go and flog Smalling did he? He kept him on because he couldn't get Maguire and we needed numbers. That's experience for you.
Ole allowed Lukaku to leave and had no plans to get a striker in. And even if your hopeful guess that he did want a striker to come in but new Ed wouldnt allow it, Ole still made a mistake by not fighting tooth and nail to keep Lukaku who would be our first choice striker the moment Martial got injured. Instead we're relying on hot and cold Rashford and an unproven teenager. That is NOT where a top club should be but Ole let it happen.
He's trying to play with younger ones, but Mata, Matić and Young are, ironically, those who'll get him fired I'm afraid.
Three spinless, has been players who contribute next to nothing but collect nice wages, the sooner those feckers are gone the better!
Three spinless, has been players who contribute next to nothing but collect nice wages, the sooner those feckers are gone the better!
It's not like we've been battered in all these games, context is important.Are you serious? You are not convinced any manager would do better than 4 wins from 20?
We've been unlucky not to win some of these, unlucky to lose some. It's obviously a very poor run but you have to understand we're in a period of evolution.
We're moving on the trash and sometimes you have to take 1 step backwards before 2 steps forward.
I'm surprised there's fans out there that still back him and reckon he'll come good. We all love Ole he did great job as caretaker manager and I believe he deserved to be given a fair chance but it's clear to see he's out of his depth and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. He's reminding me of Moyes. 
The most damning thing about him, is that throughout pre-season all we heard was how much he’s training them to be fitter and faster than almost any team in the league. A pressing style was going to be implemented; we were supposed to be aggressive around the pitch.
The feck happened to that? We haven’t even got that going for us. If he can’t even implement that, then what hope has he got when it comes to the more technical aspects.
You look at Norwich against City for god sake. Aright, it was one game, but they played it their way. They had a style and they stuck with it like they have all season. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t, but they’re a newly promoted team so you expect some inconsistencies. They also had a few injuries against City, but they still stuck to their guns. And more than anything, they fecking worked their arse off as they have in most of the games I’ve seen them in.
That’s one thing i can never forgive this side for. Been like it for way too long, and i thought this was THE one thing that Ole was supposed to implement. Never mind about injuries, or what you got to work with, you expect the bare minimum of seeing your team working hard. Didn’t even get that. No pressure on the ball for their goal. Nothing.
Waste of space. From the manager, to the coaching, to the bellends on the field. And this notion the we should get used to it is bollox. I can accept loses, especially to better teams, but this meek, craven attitude that they have when things start to get a little tough is pathetic. Injuries have absolutely nothing to do with it; just a terrible excuse.
The feck happened to that? We haven’t even got that going for us. If he can’t even implement that, then what hope has he got when it comes to the more technical aspects.
You look at Norwich against City for god sake. Aright, it was one game, but they played it their way. They had a style and they stuck with it like they have all season. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t, but they’re a newly promoted team so you expect some inconsistencies. They also had a few injuries against City, but they still stuck to their guns. And more than anything, they fecking worked their arse off as they have in most of the games I’ve seen them in.
That’s one thing i can never forgive this side for. Been like it for way too long, and i thought this was THE one thing that Ole was supposed to implement. Never mind about injuries, or what you got to work with, you expect the bare minimum of seeing your team working hard. Didn’t even get that. No pressure on the ball for their goal. Nothing.
Waste of space. From the manager, to the coaching, to the bellends on the field. And this notion the we should get used to it is bollox. I can accept loses, especially to better teams, but this meek, craven attitude that they have when things start to get a little tough is pathetic. Injuries have absolutely nothing to do with it; just a terrible excuse.
This line of thinking has to stop.
Pretty much every manager in PL can do better than him at this point.
And we have been lucky to win some as well. We have generally been absolutely shocking, there is no evolution at all. We have taken 5 steps backwards.
Gonna have to agree to disagree I think mate, perhaps Ole didn’t think complaining in the press about his attacking options was the best route to go and may effect 3 young lads negatively.
What's he trying to do though? On the field i mean. I like what he's doing off it, but on it?
I'm surprised there's fans out there that still back him and reckon he'll come good. We all love Ole he did great job as caretaker manager and I believe he deserved to be given a fair chance but it's clear to see he's out of his depth and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. He's reminding me of Moyes.
But what can he do? he needed to clear the squad out and move players on then only got 3 new players in with a net spend of £70m which is absolutely nothing given our predicament.
If he didn't clear them out (which the vast majority wanted) we'd be stuck playing with Sanchez every week and he'd be getting hammered for not getting rid.
Problem with giving "club legends" managerial jobs is that part of the fanbase tends to want to stick with them out of some misguided sense of loyalty.
Martial has potential to get very close to the 20 number if he keeps himself fit. That's a big if though. But certainly he's our best finisher.
That's more than Pochettino has had to net-spend in every window until the last one. The alleged lack of spending is just about the weakest excuse going.
There’s no coaching, no system, no formation and no plan B in games. His in games changes are diabolical as well. This is not something you can blame on lack of funding. Basic managerial skills.
Maybe this line of thinking has to stop also?
Mourinho one of the best managers in the PL era couldn't get a tune out of this lot, so what makes you think Ralf hassenhutl will?
Look i'm not saying Ole's doing a fantastic job since getting the job full time, but we've chopped and changed before and it's got us nowhere. He needs time to get the players he wants and thinks will be good enough.
James, Wan Bissaka and Maguire have all been great additions, let him get another 2-3 and see how we fare.
Mate you got 'lucky' in investing in players that have done well for years at a very low cost.
It's not so easy to go out and get a Deli Ali, Eriksen and Son for less than a big mac in todays market when your average run of the mill PL level player costs upwards of £40m each.
£70m its peanuts when your talking about building a squad from the ground up. Spurs had good investment over a 2-3 year period that set you up to be where you are now, we obviously didn't do that.
Agreed. Years and years of crap transfers and wasted funds have led to a squad that, for the most part, are nowhere near good enough.
Agreed.
We have spent, but the club has unfortunately been mismanaged for years, the squad we have now is tbe result of that.
Nobody with any sense will make any excuses, the glazers have toyed with the club, and hired a numpty head DOF in Woodward who has turned us from a club you expect to compete for the title to a midtable club.
It doesn't matter if we spend 100/200 million a year if it's one rubbish like Fred, Fellaini, Scheiderlin, Mkhy etc.
Fair enough, to be honest I feel the game management could be better but our bench is so bare there's not many options to change a game.
It's insane how much time the cameras are focused on(pan to) him during the games. It's adding to the hysteria. Must have been almost a minute of zooms on his face during the West Ham game.
He's losing me a bit. I know we have injuries and it's doubtful he's responsible for our awful squad depth but playing Matic on a Thursday and then the Sunday?
The bloke can barely complete one match let alone two in four days. Why not play Fred? I know he can be a bit sloppy in possession but Matic is just as bad and he plays like he's got a wooden board attached to his back. At least Fred would give us something a bit more going forwards.
With these players going and us not replacing them I thought ok it's not great but at least the youth will get solid chances. But he's still persisting with players that we know don't really offer us anything. What is the point of giving Gomes 10 minutes at the end? What is Ole expecting him to do? We know exactly what Mata offers over 90 minutes and it's not much these days is it.
Use Matic from the bench to hold a lead. Use Mata from the bench to give us a bit more ball retention in the last 15-20 minutes. Start Gomes. Start Greenwood. Give Garner minutes in midfield.
I know they're young and it's a lot of pressure but at least we'll find out what they're about. I'm sick of watching our games turn into the most predictable patterns and just waiting for the other team to inevitably score whilst the same old stinking turds run around doing feck all.
The bloke can barely complete one match let alone two in four days. Why not play Fred? I know he can be a bit sloppy in possession but Matic is just as bad and he plays like he's got a wooden board attached to his back. At least Fred would give us something a bit more going forwards.
With these players going and us not replacing them I thought ok it's not great but at least the youth will get solid chances. But he's still persisting with players that we know don't really offer us anything. What is the point of giving Gomes 10 minutes at the end? What is Ole expecting him to do? We know exactly what Mata offers over 90 minutes and it's not much these days is it.
Use Matic from the bench to hold a lead. Use Mata from the bench to give us a bit more ball retention in the last 15-20 minutes. Start Gomes. Start Greenwood. Give Garner minutes in midfield.
I know they're young and it's a lot of pressure but at least we'll find out what they're about. I'm sick of watching our games turn into the most predictable patterns and just waiting for the other team to inevitably score whilst the same old stinking turds run around doing feck all.
There are no signs he will get us even worse than nowhere.Maybe this line of thinking has to stop also?
Mourinho one of the best managers in the PL era couldn't get a tune out of this lot, so what makes you think Ralf hassenhutl will?
Look i'm not saying Ole's doing a fantastic job since getting the job full time, but we've chopped and changed before and it's got us nowhere. He needs time to get the players he wants and thinks will be good enough.
James, Wan Bissaka and Maguire have all been great additions, let him get another 2-3 and see how we fare.
Failing in appointing managers doesn’t mean you have to stop trying. It means that you need to learn from experience and make a better appointment next.
Buying players is not the same as coaching them, building a team and style is different kettle as well.
Have Ole in a technical role I have no problem with that. Manager though.. he’s completely out of his depth.
At this point Carrick and McKenna can probably finish the season in the same mood and you can barely see any difference.
A more experienced manager wouldn’t have started the season with such bare bone bench it has been said multiple times. He can do a good job having say in players recruits but not as a tactician and coach. He will takes us to nowhere and actually go backwards. So far no player has improved under him for 9 months or so and given more time I can see AWB, James and Maguire stall in their development too in the long run.
This. There has been alot of talk about Ole and his confidence in youth, but is there really? Gomes and Greenwood were always players that were bound to break it, it was more when rather than IF.
I know people say it is too early to put pressure on youngsters and they need to be brought in slowly? How true is this? I think it is managers not having enough courage.
Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe were starters at 19. Gomes is 19 and he has the potential to offer ALOT more than perreira and Mata combined .
I am sure playing Greenwood and Gomes in PL games and Mata and Perreira in EL games could work. Why does it have to be other way round?
He is not good enough to manage United. My only hope was that purple patch early into his tenure with us. Otherwise, it has been a proper disaster. To those people who believe that we should have won each and every game this season, but were not lucky enough - my answer is no fecking way. We are where we deserve to be. Chelsea could have been out of our sight in the first half. Other teams just know how to play against us, and are doing it well. So, no, we did not deserve to win all the games and were not unlucky. We lack ideas, we lack movement, we lack concentration, we can not defend well, and our GK turned into a mortal after all. What I see from Ole is nice talk, but I do not see anything that would suggest that we are getting better tactically, that our collective play improved and that we are progressing overall. The promise to see a different United fitness-wise has not been kept either, unless he implied that our annual injury crisis will set in earlier than usual.
It's also partly tactics and I'm not seeing that from Ole. I have no idea what we're doing out there half the time.
Look at Mark Noble. He's 32 and Matic is 31. Noble had so much fecking space to work in despite being slow as feck. He had all the time in the world to pick passes but did we? No because we got pressed by a team that worked together and were even slightly organised. Matic got absolutely overrun by people harrying him.
There's only so much leeway Solskjaer can get with the way the squad is playing. I've seen managers come in to clubs worse than ours and turn around their playing style within weeks. Southampton for example, I barely watch them but can I tell that Hassenhuttl's style is completely different to Hughes? Of course.
Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and now Ole have never really changed the style. It's the same pass between the CB's, out to the RB, back to a CB, into midfield, over to the other wing, continue to pass around the box, shit ball in, repeat...
West Ham only played Cresswell because their first choice LB was banned. So their second choice left-back banged a free-kick top bins. Could Luke Shaw do that? No because he has crap technique.
There's just a lack of genuine ability from top to bottom in the club. That includes Woodward, Ole as a manager/coach, and the players.
We are years and years away from competing seriously again. Possibly the furthest we've been and that's very sad.
Look at Mark Noble. He's 32 and Matic is 31. Noble had so much fecking space to work in despite being slow as feck. He had all the time in the world to pick passes but did we? No because we got pressed by a team that worked together and were even slightly organised. Matic got absolutely overrun by people harrying him.
There's only so much leeway Solskjaer can get with the way the squad is playing. I've seen managers come in to clubs worse than ours and turn around their playing style within weeks. Southampton for example, I barely watch them but can I tell that Hassenhuttl's style is completely different to Hughes? Of course.
Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and now Ole have never really changed the style. It's the same pass between the CB's, out to the RB, back to a CB, into midfield, over to the other wing, continue to pass around the box, shit ball in, repeat...
West Ham only played Cresswell because their first choice LB was banned. So their second choice left-back banged a free-kick top bins. Could Luke Shaw do that? No because he has crap technique.
There's just a lack of genuine ability from top to bottom in the club. That includes Woodward, Ole as a manager/coach, and the players.
We are years and years away from competing seriously again. Possibly the furthest we've been and that's very sad.
Luck evens out. We could’ve lost the game against Chelsea if they were 2 up in the first half. Leicester could have easily got a point at the end with little time for response.
Blaming luck, VAR, refs is weak excuse.
Exactly. Other teams know how to play against, we do not know how to unlock compact defenses. We can not even pass a fooking football like any other top team would. We have fundamental problems with tactics and coaching.
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