Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Anyone thinking we can get better without offloading all the deadwood first is living in fairy tale land of his own - probably never have experienced the struggles of the club before the glory days of SAF.
As we are getting rid of deadwood the team is becoming a bit weaker. Would we be better off with Lukaku today? Probably. Is Lukaku the permanent solution? Think we got our answer about that already.
Only when all the deadwood is gone, and the new players who will be the backbone of the team are picked and instilled by our permanent manager, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, is when the things will quickly improve. People like to point to Liverpool to the point it sickens me, as we never knew how to build a team better than they have, but since so many of you like that so much, Liverpool took off really quickly after they got the players they needed, but until they had much of the deadwood they were standing still.

It's not gonna be the easy season this, we must accept it. Top 4 is not a sure thing, but we're United, we might get there by winning a trophy in Europa so it's not lost CL for the next season as well. Main thing is we don't lose our concept and don't chase away this manager who is finally putting United ahead of his own ego and the ego of superstar players. Time is the key word.
 
NJM78 said:
Could we get a poll please to gauge caf feelings on Ole being here or not?
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Yeah unpopular as it's going to be he has had nine months, so maybe it is time for a poll to gauge the general feeling on whether or not he should stay in the job because lets face it this job is way too big for him and he is massively out of his depth.
 
Everybody is losing points and season just started. We are still in the run for top4. But we must react now. It is clear as a day that this is not working and we don't have nothing to show that things will be better. We must sack him now. We waited with Jose too long and because of that we lost top 4. Lets face it, with this style we will lose or draw at best in most of away games. And it is not good enough.
Ole needs to go soon as possible
 
InLevyITrust said:
Not really, Klopp took time and so did Pep.
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Mental. Klopp got them to a League Cup final and a Europa League final in his first 9 months.

Guardiola was the best manager in the world, and his 'bad first season' was finishing 3rd in the league.
 
Bring in any manager you want in world football to replace him. They won't be successful until the right structure is in place and the club as a whole are more focused on footballing matters than financial matters.
 
Another season wasted. And how many on here were telling the Legion of us wanting him to be sacked in the summer, that we should wait and see how he goes. We already saw that
 
Biggest problem I have with him is I don’t see any progress on the pitch or in the way we play. It’s the same shite all the time.

Where is the playing out from the back? The whole reason why we got rid of Smalling. The supposed high pressing everyone says is his identity went straight out the window.

I’m not asking to play amazing perfect football or to win every game, but I’d at least like to see some progression towards that.

I’d put up with bad results if I could see something positive. Like if we actually tried to be attacking every game no matter who we play, trying to force the issue. High pressing, fullbacks flying forward, occasional patterns of play where it actually looks like we know what we’re doing. But nope, nothing.

Even with Lampard you can see hints of what he’s doing at Chelsea already and he hasn’t spent a penny. Look at how good Chelsea were against Liverpool, I bet we don’t have a performance like that once against a big team the whole season.
 
Catt said:
I was against his appointment but do we think he's close to being axed?
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Difficult to say really, but if I absolutely had to make a guess, I would say no. Our board is erratic, but if there's one thing they've been consistent on, it's that they don't ever make a change until things are past the point of anything being salvageable. Whether you believe things are salvageable now is another point, but our board always ensures that the potential isn't even there before they act.
 
Sacking him now will tell us nothing, no new manager can do anything with a hilariously shit squad he's assembled this summer. Let him ride this season out, at the end of it we might have 1 of younger players having a breakthrough year.
 
VP said:
What's he doing in training?

Every team in the PL seem to more well-drilled than us. Our players may not be great but at least we can coach them to do the basics better.
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It doesn't matter what we do in training, as long as we have a complete lack of balance in our front 3 and elsewhere, we'll continue to be tactically predictable against our opposition therefore easier to exploit and defend against. We need threats from both sides to open up the spaces but we don't have that whatsoever when have Mata/Lingard/Pereira occupying those slots.
 
Superunknown said:
Woodward will still be here and we'll be on our 10th different manager Post-Sir Alex by then. A lot of fans can already see that Woodward should shoulder at least some of the responsibility, if not most of it. But, he's not the one who has to justify each loss in front of the press, so he doesn't bear the brunt of any of this.
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I'm not asking him to bear the brunt in front of the press, he will always hide behind the manager, I just do not want him to get away with blaming the manager for everything this time.

Tbf it's not even Woodward, unless he has literally been given 'carte blanche' to do as he pleases, the real culprits are seemingly untouchable, but Woodward at least needs to go if Ole does this time.
 
Bilbo said:
So in other words you are a glory hunter. I look forward to us winning again so we can welcome you back into the fold
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Ironically, that's the same poster who made every excuse for Mourinho. The glory hunters are exposing themselves.
 
I honestly don’t blame him. Yes he’s painfully average but the fault is on our board for giving him the job in the first place. Oh btw, I literally could not give a feck about this whole “it’s a work in progress” crap. No progress will ever be made as long as the Glazers and Woodward stay at our club. I absolutely despite that lot for dragging us in to the state we’re in right now.
 
I’m seeing nothing out of him to suggest he’s going to make it here. The board obviously needs to be heavily scrutinised too. Their decisions have been downright baffling the past 18 months.
 
croadyman said:
I just wish that he would walk away from this situation because he is starting to tarnish his Utd legacy and it's really sad that has happened to him. The owners and their puppet Woody (yeah the one from Toy Story) have basically put a dagger right into the heart of this club and makes you wonder will any manager in world football be able to turn this around, seriously have got my doubts on that ever happening under this current ownership.
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He's not doing any harm to his United legacy at all. Ole the player will always remain a hero in our hearts. Ole the player and Ole the manager are two different entities, and should be viewed separately. Incidentally, I think our fans struggle with this separation a bit. Just because someone was a legend as a player for us, doesn't mean that as a manager they should be given any more leeway than a complete outsider.
 
I can’t see where ole was the issue today. As predicted Rashford and Martial being broken means that he has an impotent team.
 
kouroux said:
You see the likes of Klopp, Pep, Simeone agitate themselves on the touchline, talk to the players, shout at them, motivate them.
OGS is just too laid back on his chair, like he is afraid to be seen doing that.
Not saying doing that would make a difference but it's just weird to me how lifeless he seems
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It really shouldn't matter, but that really bothers me. The best 2 managers in the world are relentless on the touchline, always pushing their teams forward. Ole just sits there looking lost on the touchline.
 
In my opinion the players we had in the squad today are generally not up to it and I doubt any manager could improve many of them. But it’s hard to believe sometimes that we have SO MANY poor players and most of them playing badly at the same time.

Although Ole is doing some good work, he has to somehow get more points from these games. More of the players have to be effective within the constraint of their (mainly inadequate, by the highest standard) abilities.

I back Ole 100% but I worry about results with the current squad. Despite our couple of chances (which we should have taken), I thought we were terrible today. I’ll always love this team and I’ve seen us play terribly many many times but it was hard to watch today because I simply didn’t believe we could raise our game and felt a sickly mix of resignation and annoyance for most of the match. You can live with that if you’re somehow scraping the points together but this is now a very long bad run and I’m actually starting to lose hope.

It’s like therapy posting on here.
 
If he lasts, the board has to back him January. A CM and an extra body in attack are a must at least.
 
The messed up thing is that the best football we've played under Ole was with Mourinho's players and when he had barely any time to implement his ideas. Perhaps we won't challenge for league and CL titles with current owners but we should be doing much better regardless. Maybe he needs more time but what if he simply isn't good enough to manage a top club, which his lack of pedigree would suggest? Absolute madness to even hire him at the time we needed the best manager possible.
 
I think the truth is that Ole isn't performing great, but also the incompetence of the board absolutely predates his appointment.

On the negative side I have no idea why the manager isn't vociferously pushing the philosophy that got him the job in the first place. Why are we having players press alone, when our good form was built on the front four pressing together? It's completely energy draining and absolutely pointless. Likewise our attackers have dropped off 30 yards meaning pressing the defence requires a lengthy sprint, rather than a quick burst. Even Neville mentioned the fact that Rashford was running 60 yards to press this goalkeeper who naturally cleared if when he was 10 yards away.

Likewise any kind of playing out from the back has gone out of the window. It's the slow zombie passing that originally from the end of Fergie's tenure... Where's the quick passing on the counter?

However... The front 6 we had out today are absolutely mid table quality. Rashford's confidence is shot, James after a great start is fundamentally a player that in years gone by would have been loaned back to Swansea for the season. Mata and Matic are way past their best, McTominay should be out on loan and the majority of players on the bench should be in the U23 squad.

Overall we have a team in need of massive investment. We've spent £110m net over two years on a team that was far worse than the one Guardiola spent £350m net transforming. Whereas Guardiola has spent £315m net transforming his defence, we need to spend this on our front 6. Pogba will leave and we should be investing £400m on three midfielders and two attackers.

People complain about getting rid of Sanchez and Lukaku. I disagree with this criticism. At United you're either good enough or you're not and if you aren't you shouldn't be in the team irrespective of who's there to replace you. Klopp didn't buy a CF to replace Benteke and it wasn't because they were strong in that position. The player simply was not good enough.

Overall the question is a) will we release £300m net; and b) who do we want spending it. The answer to a) will be obvious in time but I do believe funds are available (albeit not enough), the answer to b) is more difficult since I think we'd have struggled to spend £75m net better this Summer... Which is the first time I've said that since SAF retired.

Who knows maybe Ole replacing Woodward on the transfer side of things and a better coach like Pochettino managing the squad is the answer?
 
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He lost me today

His whole thing was making United fit and energetic.

Then a 63 year old Mark Noble runs circles around us. Absolutely pathetic. Times up.
 
momo83 said:
It won’t be immediate but you’ll notice an improvement in style of play within a few months from any top manager.
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I think this depends largely on the players at hand. Not saying Ole is the one but we're constantly fielding five or six players that should be nowhere near the level of football we're hoping for. LVG and Mourinho are top managers, no doubt about it. And they couldn't bring us forward.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Let's all just remember it was Ole who came in with the club in crisis, Ole who did his job remit at making the players happy again, and giving the fans something to shout about for a change, but it was Woodward who decided that this was enough to give him the job before the end of the season, enough to throw all plans of trying to get Poch and DOF as had been said when Jose was sacked, and was a good idea to then leave him this with a squad that everyone could see was set up to fail this season.

This is not on Ole, and I hope that when he does go people remember who's to blame.
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Yes and then he sold Fellaini, Lukaku, Herrera and Sanchez and never replace anyone of them. Trust me if we had Fellaini today that Noble would not be strutting around as if he as Innieasta and Xavi combined. We have to be realistic. We are not a top attraction for top professional football players
 
freeurmind said:
Sacking Ole won't solve a thing.
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If you are doing something wrong, it is always better to stop doing it than keep doing it. This is not working. We must at least try to fix it. Will other manager be better? Who knows? But we must try it
 
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