It's upsetting to see what's happening with Ole, considering he's such an inherently decent guy. The one thing I hope everyone realizes after this is that nostalgia and "The United Way" is not the way forward for this club.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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It's upsetting to see what's happening with Ole, considering he's such an inherently decent guy. The one thing I hope everyone realizes after this is that nostalgia and "The United Way" is not the way forward for this club.
Could we get a poll please to gauge caf feelings on Ole being here or not?
Still better than going around in circles under Jose. Not a great start so far, but i'm still more optimistic with this squad than if we were left with a bunch of 32 year olds
The answer to that is to buy more defensive players. Then we will score in a bucket. Logic.
As much as the team are dross, Solskjaer is going to be out of a job by November if this carries on.
You see the likes of Klopp, Pep, Simeone agitate themselves on the touchline, talk to the players, shout at them, motivate them.
OGS is just too laid back on his chair, like he is afraid to be seen doing that.
Not saying doing that would make a difference but it's just weird to me how lifeless he seems
OGS is just too laid back on his chair, like he is afraid to be seen doing that.
Not saying doing that would make a difference but it's just weird to me how lifeless he seems
What's he doing in training?
Every team in the PL seem to more well-drilled than us. Our players may not be great but at least we can coach them to do the basics better.
Every team in the PL seem to more well-drilled than us. Our players may not be great but at least we can coach them to do the basics better.
Ole is not great. He is tactically uninspired, reactive not proactive. He is too much the boy. He is too happy to have the job, not enough Nous to know what to do with it. The Glazers/Ed can treat him like a fool and he just grins.
But ultimately it doesn’t matter if he leaves or stays. While the slime own the club and their pet pig is CEO it matters not a whit who sits in the managers seat. They can rail against it like Jose; they can pretend to be happy like Ole. United will still buy random players, they will still sell season tickets. They will still wind up somewhere around the top 8.
But ultimately it doesn’t matter if he leaves or stays. While the slime own the club and their pet pig is CEO it matters not a whit who sits in the managers seat. They can rail against it like Jose; they can pretend to be happy like Ole. United will still buy random players, they will still sell season tickets. They will still wind up somewhere around the top 8.
You'd be so happy if Poch came in
feck me.
Yeah the season when he breaks ours transfer record, twice, fecking football.
Progressive managers shine regardless of the level they're at. It's just a fact of almost any profession, you can tell which ones have it.
Ole did well at Molde, and decent at U21. But nothing that suggests he has it. He was given the benefit of the doubt because he's beloved, but he's had his chance now and nothing, NOTHING in our patterns of play suggest we're being managed by an elite level coach.
That's what he should be judged on.
Ole did well at Molde, and decent at U21. But nothing that suggests he has it. He was given the benefit of the doubt because he's beloved, but he's had his chance now and nothing, NOTHING in our patterns of play suggest we're being managed by an elite level coach.
That's what he should be judged on.
Ole needs a lot of help. Either that or the sack.
I will keep saying it.
The coaching team are terrible.
We either replace them with world class coaches or we carry on doing the same thing and get the same outcome.
It is perfectly obvious that just sacking the manager but leaving everything else the same is insane.
I will keep saying it.
The coaching team are terrible.
We either replace them with world class coaches or we carry on doing the same thing and get the same outcome.
It is perfectly obvious that just sacking the manager but leaving everything else the same is insane.
Obviously im still behind Ole but worried that 'the board' won't give him time.
Has to use 3 in the midfield. Not sure why the complete tactical change.
4312. Frees up McTominay as an 8. Matic or Fred can screen, would rather have Matic as the 6. For the third CM, who has more attacking freedom it's Pogba.
The ten is Lingard. The two up top are Martial and James. United will be a little narrow, but it allows for flexibility and a stronger bench with options. Rashford, Greenwood, Gomes, Fred
4312. Frees up McTominay as an 8. Matic or Fred can screen, would rather have Matic as the 6. For the third CM, who has more attacking freedom it's Pogba.
The ten is Lingard. The two up top are Martial and James. United will be a little narrow, but it allows for flexibility and a stronger bench with options. Rashford, Greenwood, Gomes, Fred
1. Yes, it is.
2. We really didn't. I mean, we could have scored a scrappy goal on a couple of occasions but the quality of the chances we create isn't top-notch. Even our xG stats suggest that our accumulative stats are usually higher than our opponents' because of the many low probability chances we create. We find it difficult to get into a good rhythm against low-block defences and, as a result, we can't unbalance well-organized defensive lines. We look slightly better because Solskjaer can be a bit more adventurous than Jose or LvG in his attacking positioning but that's just it.
3. Agreed on this one.
4. One who will demand and be given the authority to mete out judgement on all of our players. All of them. Also, one whose pedigree suggests that he can improve players and that he can deal with today's market. Let's say Tuchel comes in and tells Woodward that both Martial & Rashford should return to the periphery of the action and that we need a brand new winger and a forward. On top of that, he asks for a creative player too because it's imperative that Mata & Lingard should not start for United. Do you think there's any chance that the board will indulge him? Absolutely not. And that's why, for some people, Ole is the perfect manager for the Glazers. He won't ask for much, he'll settle for one or two signings each year and smile.
I can't agree with you more. Top reds and their sentimental bollocks can piss right off, they're the bane of our club. We need supporters who aren't afraid to call a spade a spade.
Also, selling your top scoring striker and not replacing them. Genius move!
It's what clubs do though. They keep changing managers till they get it right.
I'm not sure what camera angles your station showed but he was out on the touchline a lot this game.
Just a shame all that gesticulation is for no reason.
My mistake I typed it wrong. It was meant to say he isn’t good enough.
Not trying to start a flame war but in all seriousness I have often seen this claim made on the forum. Is this really fact or is it simply a belief. Given how short the current managers tenure has been I personally wonder how much influence he actually has in negotiating player contracts. I am open minded providing I can be steered to concrete evidence one way or the other. I would concede that managers should be involved in contract extensions but am truly puzzled by how much most of them actually are.
Tuchel would be the board's worst nightmare. He wouldn't be afraid to call them out publicly if and when they failed to do their part.
For that reason alone they won't go anywhere near him.
Yes he talks about youth and then starts with Matic, Mata and Young. He is taking the piss. We play like a Sunday team. No one knows what is going on. Actually to me Ma5ic played decently compared to how his other two midfield players and Mata played. Ole should start with three in midfield with Fred and even Jones would have been better than anyone else we have today. Mata should never play for United again. He was terrible. I actually do not blame Rashford too much today because he virtually got no support at all.
Ole has to be sacked now or the we could get into a relegation battle. People talk about Dybala and other top class players. Why should they come to this and a manager who has no clue? We will not get good players unless we get a manager with a good name. Even Arsene would be better than this. Even Fat Sam.
Ole has to be sacked now or the we could get into a relegation battle. People talk about Dybala and other top class players. Why should they come to this and a manager who has no clue? We will not get good players unless we get a manager with a good name. Even Arsene would be better than this. Even Fat Sam.
What justification is there for giving him time?
Are we still trying to obtain a Director of Football? How's that going?
Ole shouldn't have to take all of the blame. We have issues that have either worsened with each manager or problems that have been allowed to develop. The quality of football is becoming worse and worse, and we haven't done that well in the transfer market Post-Ferguson. We've bought in three good players in Maguire, AWB and James, but the reality is that these 3 are simply not enough. The squad is paper thin and what is there isn't comparable to the other sides in the top 3, especially in the attacking end. We have problems with transfer policy/recruitment, the type of football that we play and the technical aspects of the football that we play (passing, shooting, crossing, etc). We are in serious decline, especially when you look at our results over the last 2 seasons. We are not improving and are actually going in the wrong direction.
Ole shouldn't have to take all of the blame. We have issues that have either worsened with each manager or problems that have been allowed to develop. The quality of football is becoming worse and worse, and we haven't done that well in the transfer market Post-Ferguson. We've bought in three good players in Maguire, AWB and James, but the reality is that these 3 are simply not enough. The squad is paper thin and what is there isn't comparable to the other sides in the top 3, especially in the attacking end. We have problems with transfer policy/recruitment, the type of football that we play and the technical aspects of the football that we play (passing, shooting, crossing, etc). We are in serious decline, especially when you look at our results over the last 2 seasons. We are not improving and are actually going in the wrong direction.
As the weeks pass by I've less and less faith in Ole, I'm pretty close to giving up all hope entirely. It's very difficult to see him turning this around. The stint will never tarnish his legacy for me but I think the job's too big for him, it's not entirely his fault but I'd say regardless of the shambles above him he still might have to go.
Yup.
The 64 million dollar question
Not really, Klopp took time and so did Pep.
Wouldn't have mattered. Mou was off the rails regardless.
That too. And rely on strikers with 10 league goals last season to lead the line. Logic.
Well it doesn't look like he'll have a chance either.
Let's all just remember it was Ole who came in with the club in crisis, Ole who did his job remit at making the players happy again, and giving the fans something to shout about for a change, but it was Woodward who decided that this was enough to give him the job before the end of the season, enough to throw all plans of trying to get Poch and DOF as had been said when Jose was sacked, and was a good idea to then leave him this with a squad that everyone could see was set up to fail this season.
This is not on Ole, and I hope that when he does go people remember who's to blame.
This is not on Ole, and I hope that when he does go people remember who's to blame.
Rather than drone on with the same old "sack him, he's shit" nonsense and then hitting the reply button, why don't you name manager that is not only available but good enough to take charge of this squad and get it to perform better than OGS.
Go on, let's hear your suggestions and the reasons why they would be successful where equally distinguished football managers such and Mourinho and LVG could not.
Go on, let's hear your suggestions and the reasons why they would be successful where equally distinguished football managers such and Mourinho and LVG could not.
I don't know how much Ole is involved in negotiating contracts but you have to imagine he approves the extension itself.
In other clubs with more expansive football operations groups, I think it's fair to wonder how extensively the coach is involved. At United, who else would Woodward consult before extending players? The frightening thought isn't that Ole approves the extensions. The frightening thought is that Woodward is doing it without him.
Woodward will still be here and we'll be on our 10th different manager Post-Sir Alex by then. A lot of fans can already see that Woodward should shoulder at least some of the responsibility, if not most of it. But, he's not the one who has to justify each loss in front of the press, so he doesn't bear the brunt of any of this.
I can't create polls. Only staff can.
To be replaced by whom?
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