Thanks for some semblance of sanity! I fully agree with your post.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Utd used to be the trend setters. Now it looks like we are so reactive to everything. To the outside world it looks like the club is run very amateurishly. Oles not the problem nor is he the solution. Our biggest problem has been recruitment since and around fergies departure.
No, obviously it's a poor record (in the last 15 games). However this United can't be compared our teams of the past that would win 10 out of 15 games regularly. The players are nowhere near the same quality of our past so it's deluded to think we should be swatting teams like Palace aside.
Even SAFs best teams had results like today. It happens.
Yeah. Of all the things going on at the club, De Gea is the thing I'm the most worried about at the moment. Performances were very good for the most part and just small details that cost us at least 3 points, but very probably 5 points already in the season. Pogba scores his pen last week, and we're looking at 2 wins from 2 very difficult opening games, Rashford then hits his penalty literally an inch to the right and it goes in off the post instead of going across goal and out for a goal kick (incredibly rare) and a fair chance we go on and win that from that position, and it so easily could've been 3 wins from 3 very good performances. But now it looks like 1 - 1 - 1, and suddenly it's "same problems as last season" and people pretending it's doom and gloom. Dramatic as feck. So much to be optimistic about in our side and reasons to look forward to what will be a good season, but the 1 thing that I'm more worried about than optimistic is De Gea. Our midfield I know will be mostly shit until we sign someone, not much we can do there, but the goalkeeper situation is a big question mark. De Gea went from pure brilliance and even in January 2019 had that amazing performance vs Spurs. Since then there's been so many mistakes, and there comes a time where you have to make a decision (far too early for that still IMO). I did always get an inkling that he'd have an earlier decline like Casillas had, being a goalkeeper reliant on brilliant reflexes, and it's too early to say that's what it is, but it's something to watch out for.
There is so much wrong with your post but the worst is the idea that we have created a lot of chances . We clearly are watching different teams
At least Ed can now start to get Poch excited.
This is delusion.
Again, so what do we have to do to warrant him being given the sack? 6 wins in 30 games?
To be in the bottom half? To completely lose chance for top 4?
When did Fergie had a slump like that? Ole ‘improved’ a 50 years old record last season..
If he finishes top 4 with the shit we have then he has done extremely well.
Let's not act like Chelsea and Arsenal are great teams. Let's see how it goes though.
New season and fitter squad. We are missing midfielders I agree with that but I’m sure Ole was trying hard to sign players in the summer.
I personally think that we will start to build some momentum. We just need to fine tune some of our play and we will be fine. We will make top 4 and you can quote me on that at the end of the season.
Overly optimistic? Maybe... But I really believe in Oles project.
We have tried time and again to buy our way to success with quick fix purchases and given no manger time to implement his methods.
Sack Ole, then what? Repeat the viscous cycle over and over?
We have to be patient, and at the same time appreciate that we have some fantastic players coming through our system. That is much more satisfying than being a transfer window bully that buys itself to success...
Look at city. For all their plaudits and recent success, their lack of supporters at the Etihad shows that perhaps they’ve lost a bit of soul.
I think we need to stick of him to improve the mentality of this team and get them working harder. Afterwards I think we need a better coach. Someone like Poch.
If he wants to do well this season we need to drop players like Lingard and push Pogba forward. He did it when he first came and we had some of the best results we’ve ever had post Fergie. I can understand why he’s playing Lingard. It’s mostly the fault of Woodward and Mourinho. Signing Matic who is already done here and Fred who is a complete flop so far. Lingard is a nothingnplayer but he can keep the ball and press.
Ole immediately recognised that Lukaku was useless. Ditto Young, Smalling and Jones. I hope he sees the same with Lingard and Mata very soon.
If he wants to do well this season we need to drop players like Lingard and push Pogba forward. He did it when he first came and we had some of the best results we’ve ever had post Fergie. I can understand why he’s playing Lingard. It’s mostly the fault of Woodward and Mourinho. Signing Matic who is already done here and Fred who is a complete flop so far. Lingard is a nothingnplayer but he can keep the ball and press.
Ole immediately recognised that Lukaku was useless. Ditto Young, Smalling and Jones. I hope he sees the same with Lingard and Mata very soon.
It’s actually spot on. We score both penalties and none of this knee-jerk cry wanking happens today.
It is VERY far from spot on.
Good post. 100% agree.
Divulge then instead of just saying it’s delusion.
So you know that stat that so many people argue about but at the very least, is very good at measuring the quality of chances created? xG? Well only Liverpool and City are ahead of us when it comes to that and we've been very good at both creating quality chances this season, as well as stopping the opposition from creating quality chances. Yeah Chelsea hit the post against us twice, but both were more good shots compared to good chances. Especially true for the Wolves game where they created ~nothing, yet scored from a shot from distance. Palace today had a clear opening because of a huge feck up from Lindelof, whatever, those will happen.
Going forward, it's the same. Yeah we are frustrating at times, but we have still created plenty in the season so far. Players fecking up the final shot doesn't mean those chances weren't there, and it doesn't mean the system in place failed. It just means 2 players missed pens (pens that would've been clear chances if not for the foul before that), Rashford slipped before shooting a 1v1, Marital got pulled back before shooting in a 1v1 (and somehow now called a pen), Young and Lingard completely mishit relatively easy chances vs Wolves and Palace, etc. The chances have been there to get 3-0 wins in every game. And they have been very real chances. We just haven't taken them.
Dea Gea is the next Sanchez. We're mad to offer him that contract.
3 games into a new season certainly isn't the time.
I admire your opinion and optimism but I see this team doing equally as bad as last season. We should be playing our youth players now over the terribly average senior players who do not improve our results. I would rather lose with those players gaining valuable experience than continue to lose with players we can all see are not good enough for the starting 11.
We should have bought a midfielder and attacker in the summer, inexcusable not to in my opinion.
Let’s see how it plays out but it will be a bumpy ride for sure.
Nah, you are just fecking so far up Mourinho and Lukaku's butthole's that you can't bring yourself to give the club or any of the players credit for anything, almost like they are the reasons that your 2 favourite people at the club a year ago aren't here any more.
But hey, if what you really want to do is moan and shit on people like Ole because it's not an instant title winning squad, then you do you, nobody can tell you otherwise. There are definitely a lot of reasons to be optimistic though, whether Ole will be here next season or not. He's doing a lot of good things and we are definitely going in the right direction, though I do have my doubts about whether he'll be able to get us truly winning the important trophies. Either way, after the mess of the last 6 years and disaster that the last 3 managers have been, I'm happy that we now have one that tries to play attacking football, plays with pace, plays youth and is trying to get Manchester United back in tune to who we were before.
I have no problem being patient on any manager. Only problem I see is patience for the sake of patience, or patience because you're so desperate for the manager to succeed even when everything points to the contrary.
Yeah squad is crap and Woodward is shite, but you don't need a master degree in football science to know that Ole's style, or lack thereof, is simply not good enough and won't take us anywhere. He doesn't have a clue and it was obvious by the end of last season as well. We have bigger problems than the manager, but it doesn't mean the manager himself isn't a problem. You can't read anything re Ole tactics bar counter attacking and pressing up front which is nothing to wow about. Any manager can tell his players to press up front, it's not rocket science. The problem is once we get the ball almost all our problems show, and it shows how his lack of style is showing.
The notion some are trying to make Ole totally blameless and dropping the expectations to rock bottom to make him look good is something I don't appreciate and will never agree with.
United need a manager that's going to take the players to the training ground and teach them some football. They need to learn proper movement, quick passing and how to break a defense by intelligent movement and ideas. Ole isn't the one who's going to do that because he doesn't have a clue. He's going to put the players he likes and tells them to press up front while having freedom to do the feck they want with the ball and we'll keep looking clueless against every well packed defense.
Unfortunately I don't have any hope in Woodward to get it right with the next manager next season. He'll probably appoint Allegri and we'll still look dogshite while having possession. That's why we need a fecking a DOF that's going to analyze our main problem : We're shite in football.
Our next manager should be a proper coach. Otherwise, there's zero hope in the recent future for United.
Yeah squad is crap and Woodward is shite, but you don't need a master degree in football science to know that Ole's style, or lack thereof, is simply not good enough and won't take us anywhere. He doesn't have a clue and it was obvious by the end of last season as well. We have bigger problems than the manager, but it doesn't mean the manager himself isn't a problem. You can't read anything re Ole tactics bar counter attacking and pressing up front which is nothing to wow about. Any manager can tell his players to press up front, it's not rocket science. The problem is once we get the ball almost all our problems show, and it shows how his lack of style is showing.
The notion some are trying to make Ole totally blameless and dropping the expectations to rock bottom to make him look good is something I don't appreciate and will never agree with.
United need a manager that's going to take the players to the training ground and teach them some football. They need to learn proper movement, quick passing and how to break a defense by intelligent movement and ideas. Ole isn't the one who's going to do that because he doesn't have a clue. He's going to put the players he likes and tells them to press up front while having freedom to do the feck they want with the ball and we'll keep looking clueless against every well packed defense.
Unfortunately I don't have any hope in Woodward to get it right with the next manager next season. He'll probably appoint Allegri and we'll still look dogshite while having possession. That's why we need a fecking a DOF that's going to analyze our main problem : We're shite in football.
Our next manager should be a proper coach. Otherwise, there's zero hope in the recent future for United.
I don't want United to be a non-winning Arsenal-like club. That's what we look like now.
Ed is a huge part of the problem. Bought a lot of dross for a lot of money which we're paying the price for still. We've done like 4-5 good pieces of business in (not counting this season) since SAF out of the 26 which is horrible. Pep spent an obscene amount but 50-60% success rate for him is good enough. Pool and Spurs have done a lot better than us with less.
If you want to save this season and any chance for top four finish it is.
Mods should create a poll. 3 wins in 17
They are not great teams but Lampard has got his team playing really well. Arsenal have a much better attack then us.
We have a championship winger on one side, two inconsistent young strikers, unflushable Ashley Young and Lingard, an inexperienced defensive midfielder. Don't get me wrong the state of the team is Ole's fault to an extent but our team has never been worse since Fergie. Getting top 4 with this is going to be a very good achievement.
We are on the right track but failure to bring in one or two top players, CM and RW, this summer will hurt us over the season.
Today was a setback since we struggled to create good chances and gave away two simple goals. There is no need to panic but we have to brace ourselves that it will be tough to reach top four, and missing that would be a clear indication that our rebuilding is moving at snail's pace.
Good post.
For those who like statistics, we are 3rd in the league for 'expected goals', 3rd for xg conceded, 1st for 'expected points'.https://understat.com/league/EPL
Literally praised Martial today who took Lukaku's place. What does Lukaku have to do with anything? You're making a string of shit posts
.Who brought that Championship winger?
Who made the unflushable Young captain?
Who persists with Lingard?
Who sold Lukaku and didn’t address the attack?
Who didn’t brought a midfielder after losing 2 first teamers?
Mind boggling how he’s exempt of responsibility.
Chelsea have Abraham and Mount playing for them. They were literally playing in the Championship last season.
We definitely should of bought a couple of midfielders in I don’t know anyone that can disagree with that.
Europa could be a blessing g in disguise. I think we will see a lot of game time given to Greenwood, Gomes, Garner and Chong etc...
If they perform exceptionally well in Europe then I can see Ole giving them some game time in the league too.
I’m bitterly disappointed in today’s game too, but I just feel the negative thoughts and vibe from the fans can funnel into the team. We need to back them not demoralise them.
Save this season? We've lost one game.
So we get a new manager in, does De Gea stop dropping clangers, will Lindelof suddenly be able to head a ball, can Shaw run for 90 minutes, Rashford become the 30 goal a season forward we need. It's just delusion.
Did you? That must have been hard for youLiterally praised Martial today who took Lukaku's place. What does Lukaku have to do with anything? You're making a string of shit posts
Even still was probably one of those through gritted teeth "yeah he did well i guess". Don't pretend like you didn't unreasonably shit on him for years or defend Lukaku and Mourinho beyond all reason in the past. And what do they have to do with it? What they have to do with it is that you have had an agenda for ages for all things Lukaku/Mourinho, defending them til the end and then going overboard against others who they don't get along with/are compared with or whatever. That's what the deal is. You defended them despite so much absolute tumescent performances, yet seemingly shit on the current situation despite it being one that every United fan should like A LOT more. Ole or Mourinho? Rashford/Martial or fecking Lukaku stinking up the place with his touch? Giving youth players the chance to come on and turn things around or watching Sanchez get bullied around out there? Attack and always look to go forward or sit at the edge of you box against mediocre sides? I know which I'd rather have, and because of how shit the previous years were, I'm OK with how it is now provided we see progression. And so far I think it's clear there has been progress.So, based on your faith in Ole you believe this season will be a success?
Yes, I’d rather make change sooner rather than it’s too late. It’s common sense.
Leicester were a shit show before Ranieri took over and they became champions. You will be surprised how a good manager with a good plan can make a team play well.
Did you? That must have been hard for you
Wasn't through gritted teeth at all. I also said Martial would be a top player if he worked on his movement and work rate. Your posts hurt to read. The record since he became permanent manager is fecking atrocious and you are making up fantasies that we are dominating games.
Who is the answer, we are onto our 4th manager in 6 years already. 5 in 6 looks horrible for a club that used to openly talk about continuity.
Yeah Man United fans should like Ole for what he done as a player. I'm not going to pretend he is a good manager when he has done nothing to prove that.
You get the best available simple as.
It doesn’t really matter how horrible it looks when you fix your mistake. We talk a lot of bs so hardly it will make us look any worse.
The answer certainly isn’t a clueless manager out of his depth. If you want names - yes Allegri is much better.
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