Zouma brought lots of gifts.we could have punished them even more if martial had put away the free chance he got due to Zouma passing error early on
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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We have to. Otherwise, there will be no belief, no confidence, and nothing will work out. So Ole has to convince the players that it's going to be the title this year, and some early good results will obviously help with the confidence.
It feels like Manchester United again, and there is optimism for it to keep developing, promoting youth, excluding wasters, high octane way of playing, brave decisions, not just in the squad selection but not rubber stamping the likes of dybala and erikson as shiny signings due concerns of commitment, even though we could have most likely paid the money as in previous seasons, not replacing lukaku to allow Greenwood in, there is a good feel to it.
I don't think we'll be bummed by either at OT, that Chelsea team is far Better than Norwich and a good bit better than West Ham, obviously it's just one match, but give us some credit.
I am a long term supporter and have witnessed the comings and goings of managers from Sir Matt onwards. Times have changed I accept that and there is a feel amongst supporters of the need for instant success and I understand this after the years of success. However, two of the 3 most successful of the club's managers ( Sir Matt and Sir Alex ) were not in their early years very successful.
Sir Matt became officially manager on the 1.10.1945 and managed league runners up in the following years 1947, 48, 49 and 1951, in this period his only success was the FA., Cup in 1948 and it was not until 1952 that the team won the 1st Division Champion which was not repeated until 1956.
Sir Alex took 6 years before his first success. My point is that both of these eventually became very successful managers, however, it took time for them to bring to the club the changes in players, coaching and supporting infrastructure needed for prolonged success.
Ole now needs the same support both from the fans and the owners, this restructuring of the club at a playing level will take time, however, I believe that if he is given that time and the support of the owners and fans he is capable of building another great club dynesty
Sir Matt became officially manager on the 1.10.1945 and managed league runners up in the following years 1947, 48, 49 and 1951, in this period his only success was the FA., Cup in 1948 and it was not until 1952 that the team won the 1st Division Champion which was not repeated until 1956.
Sir Alex took 6 years before his first success. My point is that both of these eventually became very successful managers, however, it took time for them to bring to the club the changes in players, coaching and supporting infrastructure needed for prolonged success.
Ole now needs the same support both from the fans and the owners, this restructuring of the club at a playing level will take time, however, I believe that if he is given that time and the support of the owners and fans he is capable of building another great club dynesty
So lukaku claims he is now doing 'real work' at Inter eh.
Evra said something similar. Apparently over there you run really a lot... I find that weird. Surely Ole makes the lads work out a lot as well.
IIRC he wasnt training with the group after few days.
Sounds like they do old school donkey work where you run until you drop. It's moved on from that in England now.
Easy to say that when you fake an injury so you don't have to take part in a super intense pre season.
It was his first competitive game since the awful injury he suffered in April. It's not a surprise he wasn't at his best.
Carrick was bought from West Ham by Spurs at 22 when they were in the Championship. In his first season at WHL he was very up and down and there was many fans who suspected he was a club signing rather than a manager/coach signing.
That's very true and I'm sure the Arsenal game won't reflect his season but there were some folk on here genuinely wanting us to pay £50m for him. Insanity takes over in transfer windows.
Good post. Some managers, whether in football or normal industry, need time to assess things and make necessary changes. Not all changes can be made instantly. The key is not just looking for a manager who can bring instant success (nice as that would be) but to look for analytical managers that can identify things that are wrong and make changes that bring stability and success.
Great post. Thanks.
I agree that times have changed. He won't get 6 years. But I hope the supporters and the directors give him a couple of years at least.
He has said it will take more than one window. I know a lot of people think the transfer window was disappointing but I think we've recruited well. The ones we've chosen are great. The defence is improved and in Daniel James we've acquired a new fan favourite if the passion in his celebration is anything to go by.
The three players we bought seem to be honoured to be in the team and see United as the peak of their career.
If it takes us a couple of years to collect these sorts of players and also slowly bring through academy players who would die for the club then I for one will be patient .
United needs to be full of players that care, work for each other and celebrate together. In today's world that will take a while to amass a squad like that.
But hopefully not 6 years.
Carrick was good at West Ham - but he wasn't brilliant.
There was nothing in Fergusons results in 88/89 and 89/90 that earned him his time. He earned his time because our board at the time managed to see beyond the results and look a few years ahead. We are now finally moving in the right direction. I haven't been this excited about Our youth set-up since the 92-generation. We are playing attractive football, we have persuaded a bunch of players to sign new contracts.
But it's stupid to expect miracles from OGS - he took over the worst mess I have experienced in my time as an United-fan, and he has worked miracles to correct a lot of it in just 8-9 months. True we might lose a top-6 position if we lose Pogba (even if I don't believe it). But I also think if OGS is given 2 more transfer Windows we will have a Squad that will easily get top-4 next season.
Pin this post right to the top of this thread, in fact the whole forum. Excellent post!
A good post in reply to a good post, especially the bit in bold. None of these 3 players will give anything but there all and none of them will be agitating for a move.
Great post and shows the difference between a club built on history rather than heavy investment with the aim of quick success.
I just hope that those steering the club remember they are a football club as well as a global marketing brand. Football has moved on and United is a club that can make people rich. Unfortunately those who benefit may choose to do so without the club's best interest at heart. The team that Ole has put in place seems to have the club's best interest at heart as many are Utd through and through. I think that's a big step in the right direction.
I think fans are divided, which tends to the case at clubs who are going through major transitions. There are those who demand immediate success and often quote "not competing for the title is not acceptable- after all we are Utd". There are those who would willingly wait for youth to develop and may not compete for a few years in the hope that the younger players brought in coupled with those coming through the academy bring success.
I think the reality for most is a combination of wanting success but are aware these things take time. Yes we all want titles but we are likely going to need a few years of development before it's a reality.
Judging from matchday 1.
John McGinn is twice the player longstaff is. McGinn is tenacious, quick, a good passer of the ball, a goal scorer and never stops running. Exactly the midfielder we need really. I believe also made the most tackles in matchday 1.
I will follow him as much as i can this season.
Good post! I agree with everything.
What is most important to me, is that we see continued improvement over the coming years. I don't necessarily expect us to win the league in the next 2-3 seasons, but I want to see us bring in the right type of players that match the style of play we want to see and that can be here for a number of years. I hate to use them as a positive example, but we need to do the same as Liverpool. From the worst periods under Hodgson and Dalglish to back-to-back CL finals took them 5-6 seasons. It has not been a straight path for them, of course, but getting most of their signings right and implementing a clear philosophy has done the trick. We can and should emulate that and probably expect a similar timeline.
This post should have it’s own thread.
I’d sign up. Not on being sure Solskjær will win the league, or the Champions league. Or the club world cup. But in believing that the way Busby and Ferguson built club is the way to go. Their tactics differed, but what they deemed important for a club, was mainly the same. From what I can see, more and more of these principles are being implemented in the club after having been left to smolder for a few years. But I only see the surface. So what I hope, is that Woodgate gets enough advice and is learning enough from his mistakes that he will see these broader changes as results, like Edwards amd his board managed with Ferguson in the late eighties. If they see the same development behind the scene that I get an impression of from the outside, I hope they have the patience most fans don’t, and back it up with money as well, as the club did with Busby and Ferguson.
Spent the day before the Chelsea game watching the U18s. I'm sure the haters will find something negative in this too. "If he had been focused on the Chelsea game instead of watching the kids we wouldn't have had a sloppy first half."
Which must be a huge boost to the U18s to see the boss watching them. A huge difference from Jose attitude. Great to see.
I’m feeling good about Ole and the club in general at the moment. It definitely feels like we’re building the right sort of squad in terms of playstyle, attitude, commitment. We still have a long way to go, and there will certainly be many testing times this season, but I’m already getting a different feeling about this team. Rumours today about Ole looking to bin off Sanchez, get another negative legacy player off the books and continue to build for the future. Who knows where it’ll take us? I just want to enjoy watching the team again.
I agree. Whether Ole will win us trophies remains to be seen but he's definitely altering the course we were on. I was a big fan of the signings we made and after Sunday, even more so. Committed players with great work ethics, great to see.
It will be a great burden lifted when Sanchez finally goes, hopefully the last time we make such a stupid and costly error.
Simon Stone in one of the interview with Howson said "Ole makes decisions which he feels is good for the club, Jose makes decision which is good for Jose". Not exactly word by word, just paraphrased it.
Ole has right ideas, hopefully he will be able to implement it.
That's some prediction.
It is, you can click on that tweet.
Can't believe he has left all that talent out of the first team by offering contract extensions for Jones, Smalling, Young and Mata.
Are there many true united fan Solskjær haters? If so I hope they get a tight painful kick to the nuts each and every time they dare to criticise a club legend.
Well Jones, Smalling, Rojo and Young are not starters because we’ve spent £130 million on two new defenders. Lukaku was sold but the money was essentially used on Maguire. Beyond that, Im not calling him a Glazer puppet, but it’s been one game.
I think tonight will be Ole Gunnar’s first real test with his “own” team when supporters expects progress and results.
Our pre season and our first PL game has been a success, iMO 8/10. Lots of positives and against Chelsea we looked solid in defense and lethal up front. Maguire and Wan has been excellent and Dan James seems to have great potential. So far all our transfer targets has been on par or better as expected. 9/10 if we only judge the game against Chelsea.
Tonight I expect us to play on our front foot. Pressing high up and that we dominate possession. Let’s see how we react against a compact team who will be comfortable to let us dictate the tempo. If we’re one down or even after 60-70 minutes then what’s our plan B?
If Solskjaer has the answers to above questions then this can be a really good season. I’m excited to see if we can continue from last Sunday, my only real concern is our 4231 formation. I don’t like that we are so thin In midfield.
Our pre season and our first PL game has been a success, iMO 8/10. Lots of positives and against Chelsea we looked solid in defense and lethal up front. Maguire and Wan has been excellent and Dan James seems to have great potential. So far all our transfer targets has been on par or better as expected. 9/10 if we only judge the game against Chelsea.
Tonight I expect us to play on our front foot. Pressing high up and that we dominate possession. Let’s see how we react against a compact team who will be comfortable to let us dictate the tempo. If we’re one down or even after 60-70 minutes then what’s our plan B?
If Solskjaer has the answers to above questions then this can be a really good season. I’m excited to see if we can continue from last Sunday, my only real concern is our 4231 formation. I don’t like that we are so thin In midfield.
Not saying I agree/disagree but Rojo and Jones weren't really starters, barring injuries to the first 11, anyway.
Lack of subs is baffling. Where is the plan B?!
Somebody tell him he can make subs. Keeping Lingard for so fecking long is a travesty.
Always feels to me like he just forgets all about it
We have been crying out for 2 pairs of fresh legs for the last 15mins
We have been crying out for 2 pairs of fresh legs for the last 15mins
Poor today. Poor tactics on corners. Late with the subs. Not strong enough to appoint one pen taker for the club. Poor
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