Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[wolvored]

No I mean large part of fan base. Akin to 2010 g&g campaign.

Oh I see. Makes more sense but cant see the glazers bothered about anything but raking it in

 

[Paxi]

Oh I see. Makes more sense but cant see the glazers bothered about anything but raking it in

It would bother our sponsors coupled with the fact that we’re already in the mess they may just decide to cash in and put all of our shares on the stock exchange.

 

[R'hllor]

If there wasnt self interest, if he feels Ed lied to him, if he feels betrayed, if he thinks Ed didnt deliver what he was promised, he should resign and walk but he wont, after all its free for all. And if things dont go well for us, he will pick a bill, get sacked and money, Ed might hire Sam Alardici and he will wonder why we allowed Carrol to join Newcastle.

If JM just walked instead of spreading his poison all around him, there would be different views of him but because he already set the sacking plan in motion since contract renewal, he stayed and pushed toxicity till sacking and then sound of $$$$ as reward.

 

[charlenefan]

Who would we go for next if Ole doesn't make it?

It'll be Poch

If Ole does go mid season we'll appoint another interim without making (what would be) the mistake of giving him the full time gig and then go all out for Poch in the summer

Alas I'm positive about the upcoming season and I dont think Ole's going anywhere

 

[Treble]

I can stomach finishing sixth if the likes of Greenwood and Gomes are given as much game time as possible.
However, finishing sixth whilst insisting on playing turd like Mata and Matic, then he can feck off.

I agree on the condition that the youngsters show enough quality to justify manager's decision to play them. Note that another season without CL football will make our transfer activity more difficult and star players like Pogba will probably leave.

 

[Greck]

It would bother our sponsors coupled with the fact that we’re already in the mess they may just decide to cash in and put all of our shares on the stock exchange.

Better start thinking of how to win in spite of the Glazers because no one is giving up a billion dollar asset because they aren't liked.

 

[JustAGuest]

Well first things first, i never said we were lucky during our good form. I never mentioned anything about luck at all, in fact. That was another poster who said that. We had some good performances, some where we over performed, and others where we were clinical while not playing great. Saying that, our biggest result (PSG) was due to a very controversial penalty that many believed shouldn't have been given (i think it should've, personally) so you could look at that as fortune.

Anyway, as i said, i never said we were lucky so you're asking the wrong guy. I just vehemently disagree with your definition of "bad luck". We were just shite, quite frankly.

Yeah, I get that another poster said that. My initial point was that if you (in this case, the original poster) write off some of the good results as "luck", then you should also consider the same for the bad results. I think we both agree that luck wasn't a significant factor for the overall results under Ole last season (3rd place counting only his games in charge).

 

[Bojan11]

Lose against Chelsea, who have a inexperienced manager also and lost their best player then yes the pressure will be on from the start.

 

[Paxi]

Better start thinking of how to win in spite of the Glazers because no one is giving up a billion dollar asset because they aren't liked.

When the sponsorship deals dry up and there is massive discontent within the fan base then maybe they’ll feel like cashing in. There are rumours that only of the Glazer siblings is fairly interested in United so that could play a part.

 

[Gehrman]

Why...?

If we finish 6th and Greenwood / Gomes / Chong are given lots of game-time, all it'll prove is that they either aren't good enough, or weren't coached right.

Amassing players and managers who finish 6th - whether young or not - is not what Utd is about.

It's very odd that so many people have been hypnotized into this idiotic mantra of - "failing's fine, as long as it's youth failing under Ole".

6th isn't good enough - youth or not, Ole or not.

After 2 decades of being equated with prestige and succes under Fergie the united way is now that complete failure is okay as long as we play youth.

 

[lysglimt]

facts

Facts ? Saying that 18-19 year olds not taking a club higher than top 6 in the P.L are not coached right ? What a joke

Alan Shearer, Harry Kane, David Beckham, Paul Scholes, Michael Carrick, Jamie Vardy, Ruud van Nistelrooy … where were they at the age of 19 ?

 

[lysglimt]

After 2 decades of being equated with prestige and succes under Fergie the united way is now that complete failure is okay as long as we play youth.

So not reaching top-4 in the hardest League in the Word is a complete failure ? Not good enough I can buy...but Complete failure ?

 

[Greck]

When the sponsorship deals dry up and there is massive discontent within the fan base then maybe they’ll feel like cashing in. There are rumours that only of the Glazer siblings is fairly interested in United so that could play a part.

Never going to happen. Even a reduction in sponsorship money is unlikely over the short or mid term. You know what it will take for sponsors to stop throwing us money?

Many fans have gone through every possible scenario it will take to get the Glazers out and they all come down to buying the club or organising the entire fan base in a way that's logistically impossible

 

[Gehrman]

So not reaching top-4 in the hardest League in the Word is a complete failure ? Not good enough I can buy...but Complete failure ?

After 6 season's post-fergie it is. We are the Real Madrid of britain. Actually I would say that aiming for the top 4 trophy alone is complete failure for a club our size. It's great for Spurs, but not for us. And even Spurs are outperforming us now.

 

[Paxi]

Never going to happen. Even a reduction in sponsorship money is unlikely over the short or mid term. You know what it will take for sponsors to stop throwing us money?

Many fans have gone through every possible scenario it will take to get the Glazers out and they all come down to buying the club or organising the entire fan base in a way that's logistically impossible

The sponsorship deals could significantly affect our market value. So of course they’ll be weary of that. If we keep going the way we’re going we’ll eventually just become another AC Milan. They’ll cash in before that happens.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Facts ? Saying that 18-19 year olds not taking a club higher than top 6 in the P.L are not coached right ? What a joke

Alan Shearer, Harry Kane, David Beckham, Paul Scholes, Michael Carrick, Jamie Vardy, Ruud van Nistelrooy … where were they at the age of 19 ?

Yeah, great - so don't play them to the extent that it'll cost you results...

Play whatever players will ensure the highest finish - that's the point mate.

My message was in reply to a poster stating they'd happily finish 6th if we played youth.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

Why...?

If we finish 6th and Greenwood / Gomes / Chong are given lots of game-time, all it'll prove is that they either aren't good enough, or weren't coached right.

Amassing players and managers who finish 6th - whether young or not - is not what Utd is about.

It's very odd that so many people have been hypnotized into this idiotic mantra of - "failing's fine, as long as it's youth failing under Ole".

6th isn't good enough - youth or not, Ole or not.

Exactly

 

[elnorte]

Where do people draw the line when it comes to Solskjaer's and Woodward's respective level of accountability?

There has been an outright failure to improve the squad by the chief executive which clearly limits the manager's ability to deliver success.

Therefore what is the minimum we can now expect of Solskjaer as manager before we could consider him to be underachieving regardless of Woodward's own ineptitude?

 

[Handré1990]

Where do people draw the line when it comes to Solskjaer's and Woodward's respective level of accountability?

There has been an outright failure to improve the squad by the chief executive which clearly limits the manager's ability to deliver success.

Therefore what is the minimum we can now expect of Solskjaer as manager before we could consider him to be underachieving regardless of Woodward's own ineptitude?

I’d say top 4. Of course there could be mitigating circumstances, like winning the EL to get CL next season. Would be an assessment to make though, based on several factors.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

Where do people draw the line when it comes to Solskjaer's and Woodward's respective level of accountability?

There has been an outright failure to improve the squad by the chief executive which clearly limits the manager's ability to deliver success.

Therefore what is the minimum we can now expect of Solskjaer as manager before we could consider him to be underachieving regardless of Woodward's own ineptitude?

He should improve our players and playing style and the mood of the club. I’m fine with judging him on those things.

 

[mitchmouse]

I'm pretty sure this transfer window has sealed Ole's fate: gone this time next year

 

[dannyrhinos89]

I'm pretty sure this transfer window has sealed Ole's fate: gone this time next year

By xmas.

 

[Langers7274]

Ole's in a win win situation, he get's us to top 4 and in CL, maybe win a trophy and he's excelled, finish outside top 4 or even top 6 and then you can blame the backing. Let's be honest he's walked in to a crock of sh*t, average players on extortionate wages, Sanchez contract smashes our wage structure, no DoF, we've offered Rashford £300k per week, a player who only scored 10 league goals last year, yet let our previous player of the year go for free, we can easily name 6 or 7 players that are clearly not good enough for this club, £70m spent last year and £70m (net) spent this year (£45m if we sell Rojo for £25m), and we're meant to be one of the biggest football clubs in the world?

Whilst this club continue to sell shirts, add sponsors, and Richard Arnold continues bangs on about tweets, likes and posts this club will continue to suffer in the shadows of, now, our two noisy neighbours!!!

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

By xmas.

First two matches I think will determine a pre/post Christmas exit for him. Get at least 4 points and he’ll build enough momentum. Less and I think the season won’t really get off the ground.

 

[El Zoido]

He’s been stitched up. I hope the fans remember who to blame when the shit hits the fan this season (by October at this rate).

 

[Xaviboy]

Wonder what excuses will be tomorrow for pre match conferences regarding recruitment and players tomorrow.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

He’s been stitched up. I hope the fans remember who to blame when the shit hits the fan this season (by October at this rate).

He can be blamed if he fails to improve the players at his disposal. Can’t be blamed for not winning trophies though. But the football on display will be down to him.

 

[fps]

I hope they give Ole this season and next season up to Christmas as a bare minimum. I like his character, I like the signings he's got in, I like how he wants the team to play. I cannot see how a change in the next 18 months will improve matters in the long-term.

 

[Black Adder]

Wonder what excuses will be tomorrow for pre match conferences regarding recruitment and players tomorrow.

Happy with the squad, difficult market at the moment, players linked with not enough british...

 

[elnorte]

He should improve our players and playing style and the mood of the club. I’m fine with judging him on those things.

Yes, although that may be somewhat subjective for some. Perhaps it should result in a more tangible form of evidence like a cup win or an improvement to our league position from last year even if it was just one place?

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

Yes, although that may be somewhat subjective for some. Perhaps it should result in a more tangible form of evidence like a cup win or an improvement to our league position from last year even if it was just one place?

Yea I think if he’s a good coach then 5th should be relatively secure (with healthy Pogba) and we’ll be in it for 4th. If he’s not a good coach or it’s an unlucky year for injuries then I’d expect 6th or worse.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

He'll really improve Matić, Mata, Lingard?

As if players are some kind of delicate flowers who cannot be disturbed. Tell them they aren't good enough in some parts of their game and demand more, it's called constructive criticism to which you expect response from the players. Painted everything as rosy and great while Matić takes 2 minutes to turn around won't make any difference. Telling him to up his game or he'll be out of the door might just work.

Which he obviously does behind closed doors. He doesn't need to tell the press everything.

 

[Steven-UK]

I'm pretty sure this transfer window has sealed Ole's fate: gone this time next year

By Christmas possibly. This team simply will not compete on any level.

 

[FujiVice]

Do people seriously think Ole will be sacked? Really? He'll not kick up a fuss and will defend the club. More chance you'll see Ole's legacy at the club tarnished before Woodward sacks him. The bar has never been lower for a manager to do well at this club. He'll outlast Mourinho and Van Gaal.

 

[fps]

Which he obviously does behind closed doors. He doesn't need to tell the press everything.

Yes, this is what good managers tend to do. There is a real naivety in terms of believing things need to be carried out in the press, or indeed that the press is telling the truth or that clubs will be open and honest with the press. Very odd.

 

[NinjaFletch]

He’s been stitched up. I hope the fans remember who to blame when the shit hits the fan this season (by October at this rate).

Haha, good one.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Just a question, but what would be the reaction if Ole is still saying it will take time after three years?

 

[Tom Van Persie]

If there wasnt self interest, if he feels Ed lied to him, if he feels betrayed, if he thinks Ed didnt deliver what he was promised, he should resign and walk but he wont, after all its free for all. And if things dont go well for us, he will pick a bill, get sacked and money, Ed might hire Sam Alardici and he will wonder why we allowed Carrol to join Newcastle.

If JM just walked instead of spreading his poison all around him, there would be different views of him but because he already set the sacking plan in motion since contract renewal, he stayed and pushed toxicity till sacking and then sound of $$$$ as reward.

Ole's not going throw his toys out of the pram and walk away from his dream job just because he didn't get as many players as he was promised. He watched SAF get the best out of his players for years and that's exactly what he's going to try to do this season.

 

[mitchmouse]

Do people seriously think Ole will be sacked? Really? He'll not kick up a fuss and will defend the club. More chance you'll see Ole's legacy at the club tarnished before Woodward sacks him. The bar has never been lower for a manager to do well at this club. He'll outlast Mourinho and Van Gaal.

I actually meant he'l walk.. but yeh, Dickwood would sack him without taking a breath

 

[Black Adder]

Which he obviously does behind closed doors. He doesn't need to tell the press everything.

Yeah I guess he does.

But the thing is that players can play really bad and still get pick next match, so don't really know what is he waiting for with changes, it's not like mentioned players will suddenly turn to world beaters when they've been shit for years. Either he has low expectations from them or is just blind to see how inept they are.