Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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passing-wind said:
Solskjaer is a poor coach it's been proven throughout the entirety of his career. There's a reason why he failed in competitive environments. There's no chance that this squad of players can finish in the top 4.

Arsenal last season had a fantastic home record and poor away form that is a mentality issue not a tactical / squad hindrance, though they have seemingly strengthened defence. Chelsea still have a better foundation of a team compared to us, we have the worst spine in the top 6 all we've done is replace a center half and right back.

We've lost the club's best striker and are left with utter dross upfront, we've lost the club's second best midfielder now relying on a Pogba / Matic double pivot for an entire season we have not gone one recognised wide player at the club that's left flank and the right hand side. This has been a shambolic window for us when it was essential to get players in. Solskjaer will not make it here past Christmas if you want any kind of reminders just look at last season. When the going gets tough this teams mentality will crumble because we actually have a worst team than last season.
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How do Chelsea have a better spine than United? They've lost Hazard, who was winning games out of thin air for them last season and replaced him with Pulisic. Their defence is Azpilicueta, Christensen, Rudiger and Alonso. Other than Kante, their midfield is as much a question mark as United's and their forward line is in utter tatters.

United at least have the benefit of expecting improvement from within with the likes of Rashford, Martial and Fred.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
This.

If he just ends up playing Matic, Lingard and Mata then what's the point.

IF he uses the youngsters and gives them a proper chance, I could accept this window, though I suspect come Sunday you will see the same old shite.

Be interesting to see if they give Greenwood the 9 shirt btw.
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Lingard will definitely start Sunday unfortunately. Matic may also start. Nothing is going to change, the youngsters will play Europa and fringe sub appearances.
 
nameischarles said:
Failing at Cardiff is proven proof that his failed in his entire managerial career?
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When he's only managed us Cardiff and Molde. Molde is not a competitive environment to the extent of the league, he made a declaration to finish top 4 last season and failed to do so. You name one good thing Solskjaer has done at competitive level ?
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
How do Chelsea have a better spine than United? They've lost Hazard, who was winning games out of thin air for them last season and replaced him with Pulisic. Their defence is Azpilicueta, Christensen, Rudiger and Alonso. Other than Kante, their midfield is as much a question mark as United's and their forward line is in utter tatters.

United at least have the benefit of expecting improvement from within with the likes of Rashford, Martial and Fred.
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Zouma, Rudiger, Azpilicueta, Alonso and Christensen is still a decent line of defence.

Chelsea in wide areas have Pulisic, Willian, Hudson Odoi and Pedro two of which are more effective and proven then Martial / James.

Ruben Loftus Cheek, Ross Barkley, Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic and Mason Mount compared to our midfield ? That's not even worth responding to.

Tammy Abraham / Giroud is a better set of front attackers in comparison to Rashford and unproven Greenwood.
 
passing-wind said:
Zouma, Rudiger, Azpilicueta, Alonso and Christensen is still a decent line of defence.

Chelsea in wide areas have Pulisic, Willian, Hudson Odoi and Pedro two of which are more effective and proven then Martial / James.

Ruben Loftus Cheek, Ross Barkley, Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic and Mason Mount compared to our midfield ? That's not even worth responding to.

Tammy Abraham / Giroud is a better set of front attackers in comparison to Rashford and unproven Greenwood.
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Sounds a lot like the grass being greener on the other side.
 
I don't see this ending well for OGS. Don't see him lasting longer than a season too. I still cannot blame Woodward for the transfer shambles, if OGS wanted a midfielder, Dombele was available and went to Spurs with no competition, if a creative midfielder was needed, again Lo Celso moved to Spurs with no competition. There aren't many good strikers available in the market, one moved to Real Madrid, Icardi is not worth the hassle, tried to sign Dybala and he rejected us. If a right winger was a priority, Pepe could have been signed, didn't look like we were ever interested in him. We cannot blindly pay what the seller wants, that's why we rightly steered clear of Longstaff.

I really don't understand what other things Woodward could have done.
 
If Ole can secure 4th with this squad we should stop questioning his abilities.

If a manager has a crappy squad it will be deemed successful not getting relegated. Mediocre player, may be deemed successful finishing above mid table.

Given that we may have a couple of class players among mediocre ones, 4th will be a mayor succsess. Ole has a poor foundation in the squad, but who’s to blame for that?
 
Everyone is going after Woodward here, Ole is of the same mould.

He mentioned survival of the fittest, 4/5 players in, and also mentioned some players had last game played.

He then also said, if we sell anyone we will replace.

Rojo replaced by Maguire
Lukaku - ????

I feel Ole is the same as Woodward in that he says things the fans want to hear and then goes and does something else.

How can we still be relying on Young, Mata and Matic is unbelievabke.
 
Ole has been given a 3 year contract. The next 3 years is how I will judge him. If he can implement the way we have been playing in preseason to the way we are going to play in the league and we finish top 4 (which I believe we will), that's all I'm looking for this season.

We have missed out on targets this summer for varying reasons, mostly CL football I would think but also because of our inexperienced manager. When we get back to CL football, which I believe will be next season, there will be plenty of good targets that we can chase then to bring us to the next level. As I've said, this is a 3 year project, I expect to be winning the league or seriously challenging at least by then.

At the moment I believe we have the tools to get back to top 4, especially given the massive improvement on our defense. Ole has done everything in his power to manage the club correctly so far, in his handling of the media, improving the dressing room atmosphere, integrating youth, work rate, style of play and identifying the biggest weaknesses.

Surely we can give him the chance to play Chelsea before throwing him to the wolves? This is a squad that came second a year ago, reached the QF of the CL in the season just gone. Give them a bit more credit, especially now with the defense, our biggest weakness, has been upgraded massively with 2 of the best players in the league (in their positions).
 
He's clearly not been backed but if he continues to play the likes of Matic, Mata and Lingard then he won't have anyone else to blame, because they're not good enough.

If tries to integrate and relies on Mctominay, Gomes and Greenwood then and they can't make the difference then he has done all he can with his resources. Of course we would need to see if this change of style continues into the season.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
If it all goes tits up, I hope the fans turn on Woodward not on Ole. Irrespective whether he was good enough to be a United manager or not.
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The fans will never turn on Ole when this goes tits up. He's a club legend. Plus everyone knows at this stage it can't be four managers in a row that are at fault, two of which had first class pedigree.
 
RussellWilson said:
He's clearly not been backed but if he continues to play the likes of Matic, Mata and Lingard then he won't have anyone else to blame, because they're not good enough.

If tries to integrate and relies on Mctominay, Gomes and Greenwood then and they can't make the difference then he has done all he can with his resources. Of course we would need to see if this change of style continues into the season.
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Agree. I'd give him a chance if he tries the youngsters over the dross. Give them a run of games at least.
 
I can’t wait for this so called change in style as the last pre season match was similar to the end of last season. Chelsea are the perfect first opponents for it because they have a new manager, we’d see who gets their team playing better.
 
I can stomach finishing sixth if the likes of Greenwood and Gomes are given as much game time as possible.
However, finishing sixth whilst insisting on playing turd like Mata and Matic, then he can feck off.
 
devilish said:
He won't be here in 6 months time
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Well then neither should the Glazers and Woodward. If he doesn’t succeed there needs to be action taken against Glazers by the fans.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Well then neither should the Glazers and Woodward. If he doesn’t succeed there needs to be action taken against Glazers by the fans.
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Wishful thinking. The Glazers will be here until the minute they decide they’re no longer happy taking cash generated from the club. Fans have no real “power.” We can just hope someone is ambitious enough to buy out the Glazers, which seems unlikely.
 
TrueRed79 said:
The fans will never turn on Ole when this goes tits up. He's a club legend. Plus everyone knows at this stage it can't be four managers in a row that are at fault, two of which had first class pedigree.
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None of the previous 3 are even coaching football at the moment so who’s to say they weren’t all awful hires?
 
JustAGuest said:
I can't recall the team benefiting much from those factors during the good run. Would that then rule out the team being lucky during the good form?
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Well first things first, i never said we were lucky during our good form. I never mentioned anything about luck at all, in fact. That was another poster who said that. We had some good performances, some where we over performed, and others where we were clinical while not playing great. Saying that, our biggest result (PSG) was due to a very controversial penalty that many believed shouldn't have been given (i think it should've, personally) so you could look at that as fortune.

Anyway, as i said, i never said we were lucky so you're asking the wrong guy. I just vehemently disagree with your definition of "bad luck". We were just shite, quite frankly.
 
Imagine the meltdown if we get negative results against Chelsea and Wolves and play shit in both games.
 
pseudo_canadian said:
Wishful thinking. The Glazers will be here until the minute they decide they’re no longer happy taking cash generated from the club. Fans have no real “power.” We can just hope someone is ambitious enough to buy out the Glazers, which seems unlikely.
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Because we can’t mobilise. There’s so much infighting on the caf alone. And this place has only few hundred members on at any one time I think. If we could ever get behind the cause I’m sure we could drive them out this time.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Because we can’t mobilise. There’s so much infighting on the caf alone. And this place has only few hundred members on at any one time I think. If we could ever get behind the cause I’m sure we could drive them out this time.
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Do you honestly think the glazers would be driven out because members on a forum site were up in arms :lol:
 
Just play the kids. Ed has tied his hands basically, help yourself with trying it with kids. If it goes it goes if not nobody can say anything to him imo.
 
Xaviboy said:
Imagine the meltdown if we get negative results against Chelsea and Wolves and play shit in both games.
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We have a terrible record against Chelsea and Wolves had our number last season it’s unlikely we’ll win both games maybe neither. It’ll be an instant crisis and the terrible record from last season will pile even more pressure on.

I don’t see point in criticising Ole, doesn’t matter who our manager is they are going to be operating under the same conditions.
 
Adisa said:
I can stomach finishing sixth if the likes of Greenwood and Gomes are given as much game time as possible.
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Why...?

If we finish 6th and Greenwood / Gomes / Chong are given lots of game-time, all it'll prove is that they either aren't good enough, or weren't coached right.

Amassing players and managers who finish 6th - whether young or not - is not what Utd is about.

It's very odd that so many people have been hypnotized into this idiotic mantra of - "failing's fine, as long as it's youth failing under Ole".

6th isn't good enough - youth or not, Ole or not.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Why...?

If we finish 6th and Greenwood / Gomes / Chong are given lots of game-time, all it'll prove is that they either aren't good enough, or weren't coached right.

Amassing players and managers who finish 6th - whether young or not - is not what Utd is about.

It's very odd that so many people have been hypnotized into this idiotic mantra of - "failing's fine, as long as it's youth failing under Ole".

6th isn't good enough - youth or not.
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facts
 
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