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Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Yep just my opinion.
Maybe you enjoyed us getting outplayed by West Ham & Wolves (twice) & losing to Huddersfield & Cardiff.
Interesting plan
Don't waste your time, I think he is related to Ole, defends like his own child.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about and you're twisting a narrative to suit your agenda. Everyone else is willing to give this a season to see how it goes and you're bringing up the run at the end of last season, when you've specifically said you'd feel different about everything if the run of form was reversed.
I suppose you hated 8 wins in 10 games when he took over as well.
Im sorry but the circumstances were more severe, under Ole's winning run how many games did we ride our luck with ?
We put in countless mediocre performances that fans hailed as fantastic attacking footballwhich in reality was a deep lying counter attack.
We miserably failed to control games when winning, which transcended into us losing. For me this is something that we will additionally see next season because it's always been apparent under Ole's tenure. The difference with our form in relation to the aspects above was that Pogba was clinical and single handedly got Solskjaer the permanent role.
We got played off the park against countless teams we should be dominiating Watford, Southampton, Everton, West ham, Wolves (home & away) those performances were an absolute disgrace.
We can give Ole 400 million over two seasons but what foundation is he providing us to improve upon ? going into next season we have no idea of a clear system, no idea of the philosophy, no idea of what Ole hopes to implement with this team. When Klopp came in Liverpool knew his vision when Pep came in City knew his vision, our questions should not be how much can Woodward muster us up to spend in a single season but rather when resources are provided what is Ole doing to make use of them.
It's taken 6 months and still no one has a clue, this is exactly the same reason why Mourinho was sacked there was no clear directive to anything we did. I honestly believe Ole is to us what Di Matteo was to Chelsea and that's someone to pass the time until a competent manager can come in and replicate success on field. They both had a short term level of success but both are below what's required for long term competitiveness and sustainability.
Exactly this - great post
As opposed to being a knee jerk reactionary child who fails to understand the fundamental's of management
Everyone else isn’t willing to do that- some can see he’s not good enough. Anyway I’m not a sheep that had to follow the majority.
Yes I’ve already told you it’s much worse that with time to take hold performances got worse- it is important which way around it was.
Performances weren’t that great at the start to be honest & were against poor teams mostly
What is the fundamentals of the management according to you? "He deserves at least 3 years" ? You don't need to be a genius to see how this appointment will end. We better start looking for a new manager already.
'Not a sheep', Jesus, you're a visionary then, who in the face of everyone else who's connected is saying he's got what it takes to manage at this level, the players saying he's got what it takes to manage United and the board backing him and his vision for the club moving forward, YOU'VE seen through it all because he doesn't have a plan?Im sorry but the circumstances were more severe, under Ole's winning run how many games did we ride our luck with ?
We put in countless mediocre performances that fans hailed as fantastic attacking football
We miserably failed to control games when winning, which transcended into us losing. For me this is something that we will additionally see next season because it's always been apparent under Ole's tenure. The difference with our form in relation to the aspects above was that Pogba was clinical and single handedly got Solskjaer the permanent role.
We got played off the park against countless teams we should be dominiating Watford, Southampton, Everton, West ham, Wolves (home & away) those performances were an absolute disgrace.
We can give Ole 400 million over two seasons but what foundation is he providing us to improve upon ? going into next season we have no idea of a clear system, no idea of the philosophy, no idea of what Ole hopes to implement with this team. When Klopp came in Liverpool knew his vision when Pep came in City knew his vision, our questions should not be how much can Woodward muster us up to spend in a single season but rather when resources are provided what is Ole doing to make use of them.
It's taken 6 months and still no one has a clue, this is exactly the same reason why Mourinho was sacked there was no clear directive to anything we did. I honestly believe Ole is to us what Di Matteo was to Chelsea and that's someone to pass the time until a competent manager can come in and replicate success on field. They both had a short term level of success but both are below what's required for long term competitiveness and sustainability.
Equally there were a number of games in the losing run where we were the better team but didn't get results due to poor finishing and a ridiculous run of goalkeeping mistakes. Perhaps it evened out.
What is Ole's preferred system, or, as LVG would have it, his philosophy? Football played 'the United way' used to have a meaning but now, at least for me, it's a fairly nebulous concept. Is Ole wedded to Fergie's methods from the old days and that's what he's aiming for, or is it to look to the systems employed by Pep or Klopp? At any rate, he's not got a lot of time to turn things round, if recent history is anything to go by. Top four a must for revenue purposes? If that's the requirement, the hierarchy might be disappointed, especially if we lose De Gea (and maybe Pogba) and we retain players like Young, Jones, Rojo, etc.
One of the better posts I've read came from a resident Liverpool fan (whose name escapes me) who suggested we might want to sit out next season and concentrate on the rebuild, bedding in new players, and developing Ole's system so we might challenge for honours later on. That may be the way to go but losing out on CL money, and reduced sponsorship cash, won't sit well with the owners.
One of the better posts I've read came from a resident Liverpool fan (whose name escapes me) who suggested we might want to sit out next season and concentrate on the rebuild, bedding in new players, and developing Ole's system so we might challenge for honours later on. That may be the way to go but losing out on CL money, and reduced sponsorship cash, won't sit well with the owners.
If you've ever been in a position of management, no mater how minor, bang in the middle of a full swing operation you would know it's almost impossible to change a culture and implement fresh ideas. As much of a bellend as he is, Brendan Rodgers summed it up pretty well a few years ago, it's like rebuilding a plane while in flight.
Well apparently you do because you lot are saying it's doomed before it's even began. He hasn't been given a fair crack, it takes time to change a culture and implement new ideas. There's nothing to be lost by giving Solskjær next season and backing him, if it ends in tears there will be other managers around. If it doesn't end in tears we back him again.
Klopp and Pochettino took over shit teams and in their 4th season both reached a CL final, Klopp obviously last season as well. By this logic we'd have sacked both of them by Christmas in their first season. Just chill out.
wasnt that great, but at least he put in the effort. You on the other hand cant even answer a simple question. Which leads me to believe you're either a wum, or just a miserable sod whose spent the last week trying to find people to 'convince' you Ole is the right one.
It was rumoured a few weeks back that the owners are viewing next season as one of transition so Solskjær won't be judged too harshly. You've got to feel though that another season outside the CL would cost him his job.
I don't disagree, but I don't think he should be blamed for not reaching the CL this year.
It’s not my job to scour the world for managerial talent..we can definitely do better
I think you may be right, and I'm not convinced we have enough to get into the top four. Arsenal will improve, City and the dippers will battle for top spot and Spurs will be there or thereabouts. Chelsea are weaker without Hazard, but still good enough. Wolves will build on last year and there could be other surprises. I just don't think there's enough time in one window for Ole to get who he wants, get rid of who he doesn't, and get the team playing as he wants.
Give it a crack
You would think we are some League 2 relegation fodder and hired a manager who will give it a crack cause we are doomed anyway. Can you imagine any big club doing that? You are talking about Ole's ideas but he has none if his own. He tries to be someone else (SAF) and he is just not good at it. Seeing him on the touchline is scary and sometimes I get Moyes vibes, he just looks like someone who is enjoying the view from the best seats in the stadium and can't believe his luck.I think we’ll nick it. Chelsea can’t buy this summer and Arsenal only have £50m to spend which means as long as we recruit right, we should leap over them with ease. Tottenham may also need a slight rebuild which they won’t be able to do in one window.
Completely agree. Mourinho cost us the CL this season
So a kind of "what have you done for me lately" approach? Who got us to that position? Was 4th even on the table when he took over?
I agree that Jose dumped us in a deep hole, but Ole will need to show this season that he can handle problems when they arise and not just enjoy the spotlight when things are going well.
You mean like Barcelona with Pep, Madrid with Zidane, Tottenham with Pochettino, Bayern with Kovac, Chelsea rumoured to be with Lampard? Yeah, why would we possibly do that?Give it a crack
Everything after that is pure conjuncture, you're basing your opinion on 'Moyes vibes' which thankfully, sane people and the people that matter don't.
None of your mentioned managers were hired to do a massive rebuilding job we are about to do (or at least were rumoured to do) which is completely different than letting a young manager take control over a successful team.
Absolutely. Once he's had a preseason and changed some players he will need to perform. I've certainly not seen enough to make any decisions on him one way or another.
There are a few people here that seem to want him sacked right now though which is stupid.
You have no idea in other words.
If you’re going to incessantly complain about us having the wrong manager, you can at least offer up a suggestion of who the right manager is.
Rebuilding isn't as difficult as people make it out to be, you just hire or promote people that have the same vision as you do and you enforce that culture moving forward. Managers fail because they have ideas that don't align with the majority, when that happens you can change everyone so they do or you can fire the manager and get someone in who does have ideas that suit the majority.
Solskjær is the manager because the board like and agree with his vision and ideas for the club moving forward, therefore he holds all the cards and the players need to realise that if they don't get on board, they'll be shipped out next summer and replaced with players that will get on board.
All of this takes time, and it doesn't matter who our manager is if we don't at least give them a couple of seasons to implement something that doesn't look like a bunch on individuals doing what they think is best.
I am starting to build up some optimism and desire for next season now with so long time since we last played like shit and Rashford and Lingard playing well for England. Let's knock down City and Pool and go for it! With the right mentality, training/management we can do this. A few good signings before the windows end too of course.
Think a lot of people are worried that he needs a number of players and are not confident the club will deliver. If he is left with the same players in certain areas of the pitch he will have big problems. So this moment it is down to the club, once the season starts it is down to Ole and the players.
None of those examples are rhe equivalent of Ole. Ole has already had a mediocre 9 year period as manager unlike the examples you mentioned.
I'm edging towards this as well. I'm still fuming about some of our players and I still wouldn't mind if a large amount of them went but we're looking to sign young and exciting players, we've got one wrapped up already. If we have a good preseason the feel good factor will come back and they'll be positivity around the place again. We just need to hit the ground running on day one.
Absolutely. Poch for example got rid of over 70% of the spurs squad within 2 seasons. Had he not been allowed do that they would not be where they are now.
I see no reason why he wont be allowed make changes. All of his predecessors signed and sold plenty of players. I'm just hoping Ole will have a more sustainable vision for the squad than the previous managers who mostly chased quick fixes to the clubs detriment. Time will tell.
My gut feeling is we will start the season well and all this hysteria will quickly disappear.
A focus on hard work, youth and attacking football feels like the reboot the club has needed for a number of years. I'm really looking forward to seeing the makeup of the squad by the start of August.
Course he should. We will make it easy.
Pep was the manager of a reserve team, so was Zidane before they got major jobs, is that mediocre as well?
Solskjær won a first league title in the history of a club in a one team league. Just because people on here don't rate the Norwegian league doesn't mean it's not an achievement, Fergie did similar in Scotland. good managers are capable of getting average players to play beyond their means.
The argument you're using is also definitive and doesn't hold up once Solskjær wins a major trophy. People said Klopp was a cup final bottler, then he won one, so what is he now? What about Pochettino also? He's a shit manager because he hasn't won a trophy? What happens when he does? Is he still shit?
Erik Ten Hag. Has a style of play, plays youth and he is his own person. I had no problem with Ole until he came out with trying to be a clone of SAF! Brining up the past etc. Ten Hag and Van der Saar as technical director, would be my choice. Think out of the box for once!
You incessantly say Ole is the right manager despite him accomplishing nothing in the game bar a relegation & having our performances & results become more woeful & embarrassing as the games went on.
But yes sure there’s no other manager in the world Manchester United could attract- let’s just hope he turns everything around from no evidence whatsoever.
Our fanbase is becoming sentimental & complacent- we’ve settled & nobody seems to care
I agree. I prefer to be optimistic as it appears the club is moving or looking to move in a direction we're all more familiar with, instead of this shit Lidl Galactico lite version of United we've been the last few seasons. If we pack the team with some young British talent and get a couple of quality players in also, we'll be in good shape come August. But you're right, we need the football to return ASAP.
I've been asking for a while now, none of the complainers can answer this.
My god you’re delusional
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