Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[roonster09]

Good response.

What is fair comparison to you?

Either compare their full careers and say Zidane shits on Ole from unbelievable height or compare his second stint with Ole's complete ManUtd career and draw whatever conclusion you want to. Starting to get Glaston vibe with these selective stats.

Permanent or Caretaker means nothing. It was Ole back then as manager and it's Ole as Manager now.

You don't like someone? Fine. Stop with this mental gymnastics. You don't even need all this shit to argue Solskjaer haven't done well.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Yup. We should forget about targets like winning the title for right now. Get back to building a quality, be able to put out a starting 11 of quality players and still leave space for youth to get chances. Thatll take a few years in itself, any trophies would be a bonus. See where we're at in 2-3 years and what we need to get the added push. That all starts with truly fixing our defense and midfield.

The one thing that will convince me that Ole, Phelan, Carrick and co. know what they are doing is if they bring in a World Class centre back and right back. Anything else at this stage is a bonus.
If we ignore that area of the pitch or "take a chance" on someone cheap I'll be tearing my hair out.

SAF left a back 4 of:
Valencia Ferdinand Vidic Evra

We won that last title because our back four was absolutely incredible, composed and and we had RVP up front. So many other areas can be ignored if you just have incredible defenders that are all excellent footballers.

There are 3 World Class footballers there, how with all this money spent and so many transfer windows past have we not replaced at least 2 of those World Class defenders? It's insanity of the highest degree. Every single new manager has failed to fix it. Mourinho finally last Summer decided that was our priority numero uno, but obviously we know how that worked out.

 

[Enigma_87]

Feck me man, you can't fire a manager before he's even had a pre-season or signed a single player. What is this shit?

He's your manager and he at least appears to want to target the right attitude and right kind of player, give it a fecking chance and start your moaning again once the season starts if we're as shite as you are anticipating.

What's the point in arguing it afterwards when we lose another season? Why do we have to wait for shit to hit the fan before taking appropriate measures? Didn't we learn anything from hiring inappropriate managers over and over again?

Ole gets the sack midseason. Another one comes in, but you can't evaluate him until you give him another summer or two. Then we buy more deadwood for the next manager, who again has to bring his own players. When this shit merry go-round will end?

Why not act now and give a proper manager the summer window and time to rebuild. Why do we have to experiment with Ole?

Either compare their full careers and say Zidane shits on Ole from unbelievable height or compare his second stint with Ole's complete ManUtd career and draw whatever conclusion you want to. Starting to get Glaston vibe with these selective stats.

Permanent or Caretaker means nothing. It was Ole back then as manager and it's Ole as Manager now.

You don't like someone? Fine. Stop with this mental gymnastics. You don't even need all this shit to argue Solskjaer haven't done well.

The whole comparison is fecking stupid which is the reason I called him out for. It's nothing selective about it. As you said it's either full careers or since both have been appointed for their current stints.

It's not really mental gymnastics. Ole has done well and got the permanent job. He got promoted on the basis of those 10-15 games in the beginning of the year. Since he got the job - relegation form - shouldn't he be evaluated based on those same number of games he got the promotion first or he should get a free pass and couple of seasons down the drain, just because he was appointed prematurely?

Di Matteo won CL - got the perm job. Was sacked after couple of months with much better results than Ole has shown since he was appointed.

If you are using another manager as a comparison Di Matteo should be one - caretaker with little to no experience at top level, not Zidane, Klopp or Pep.

People moan over and over that we have overpaid primadonnas collecting their paycheck and giving zero fecks for the shirt, but it's the money that drove them to United first place - not inexperienced manager and Thursday night football.

If United appoint a top manager with proven credentials in the Summer, have DoF in place. Clear plan for the future and tons of cash to back him up - this would be much more appealing project than what we have now.

 

[roonster09]

The whole comparison is fecking stupid which is the reason I called him out for. It's nothing selective about it. As you said it's either full careers or since both have been appointed for their current stints.

It's not really mental gymnastics. Ole has done well and got the permanent job. He got promoted on the basis of those 10-15 games in the beginning of the year. Since he got the job - relegation form - shouldn't he be evaluated based on those same number of games he got the promotion first or he should get a free pass and couple of seasons down the drain, just because he was appointed prematurely?

Di Matteo won CL - got the perm job. Was sacked after couple of months with much better results than Ole has shown since he was appointed.

If you are using another manager as a comparison Di Matteo should be one - caretaker with little to no experience at top level, not Zidane, Klopp or Pep.

If the whole comparison is stupid then call it instead of going all Glaston.

He might go on to be a Di Matteo or good choice, it's a different discussion, doesn't mean we have to start twisting facts based on Permanent and Caretaker tag. It doesn't make sense. Anyways I have said everything I had to on this topic. I'm done with this.

I just find it hilarious that people take it so personally that they start to twist everything to suit their agenda.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

What's the point in arguing it afterwards when we lose another season? Why do we have to wait for shit to hit the fan before taking appropriate measures? Didn't we learn anything from hiring inappropriate managers over and over again?

Why?

Because neither you, nor I, know that we will lose another season. Because the club have hired a manager and it would be their most ridiculous decision yet to fire him now if they believed in him, Phelan, Carrick and co. and their project just 7-8 weeks ago.
If the club, and by club I mean much more than Ed, I mean the advisory board and everyone else behind the scenes has belief in that project/plan, then why the feck would you cancel everything because of a bad run of results with a squad that not even the great Jose Mourinho could get a tune out of?
Contacts with players and agents are already in place, a Summer plan is in place regarding sales, recruitment, training etc.
But yeah, rip that up now because we've had a shit run of results.

Do you even hear how that sounds?

 

[ash_86]

Don't have to. Look at wiki - Ole got promoted to perm manager in March and rightfully so his record is separated.

Di Matteo won CL with Chelsea being caretaker from March till May.

On June he was appointed perm manager. After 15-16 games in November he was sacked.

If you want to look at second stint then look at the day they both started at respective clubs. Ole the manager got appointed in December and the same is the manager now. Both the good and bad he's done should be rightfully credited to him. If you don't want to do this, then fine. What ever that gets you sleep.

 

[Livvie]

Why give a bumbling failed manager a role that they've never done before?

Why do we have to employ Solskjaer all of a sudden?

Here's an idea, why not just recruit, and employ, the best that's available?

Why not use the copious millions we have to employ people that are actually really good at the role we're giving them?

Like Mourinho or Louis Van Gaal...

Solskjaer was left with a squad that just doesn't cut it.

I am concerned that we gave new contracts to Smalling and Jones...I don't know if this was down to Ole, who wasn't manager at the time, or if he had any input.

I'm happy to wait and see who he brings in. I don't know what went wrong but the team became shambolic and just looked confused without a clue as to what to do next. It's not down to Ole - or Jose come to that - that they frequently play as though the game is new to them - amateur defending, watching players go past them, poor passing etc. etc.

 

[rotherham_red]

A good Twitter thread for the doom merchants and provides a good amount of context to what has happened and gives a fair account of what we saw in that early period.

I'm dumbfounded that this has to be said in the first place, but the standard of debate and football knowledge on the caf, as with social media as a whole, has regressed to an alarming degree.

Do I believe that Ole will definitely take us back? Of course not, because there are no definites. But I will at least give him the chance to set us on the path. Four different managers have now come in, two of whom are some of the greatest to have been in the role and they couldn't achieve what they needed to. I would be more than happy to give him a chance simply because those first 13 games were some of the best football I've seen from us in years and he was responsible for the most elated feeling I have ever felt for the club in the post-SAF era. Jose, LvG et al had the record but Ole more than trumped what they did in 4 years in as little as a couple of months.

If it doesn't work out then fine, but people going on like he'll ruin us. Get some perspective, ffs. We can't get any worse! Jose had us on the verge of being overtaken by fecking Wolves, ffs! For us to even be in the conversation for the Top 4 at all, let alone in Week 37 was nothing short of a miracle.

Yes it petered out, but like the thread says, I saw more than enough in those early weeks to give him a chance. He juggled with injuries, played top sides, and handled every potential setback during that run and still got us the results, so it's not as if he couldn't handle adversity or deal with bigger sides. The players simply ran out of juice. A lot of them aren't good enough and will be phased out during the course of the next couple of years but it's absolutely crucial that he gets backed.

 

[crossy1686]

Solskjaer will get until after January to get a tune out of this current squad and build something resembling a United team.

However he’ll get about 10 games if Pochettino doesn’t get any money to spend in the summer and throws a paddy.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Why not act now and give a proper manager the summer window and time to rebuild.

There's such a thing as realism. If I thought there was half a chance Woody was actually considering firing him and bringing in someone "proper" (who would you favour, out of interest?), I'd certainly be willing to discuss whether this should be done: I'm far from convinced Ole will be a success.

But he won't a) be hired permanently b) have his assistant manager confirmed with one match of the season to go c) state publicly that the real job starts now only to d) get fired before a move has been made.

So, get over it for now. There's nothing else to do but wait and see who he brings in (and lets go).

 

[Enigma_87]

If the whole comparison is stupid then call it instead of going all Glaston.

He might go on to be a Di Matteo or good choice, it's a different discussion, doesn't mean we have to start twisting facts based on Permanent and Caretaker tag. It doesn't make sense. Anyways I have said everything I had to on this topic. I'm done with this.

I just find it hilarious that people take it so personally that they start to twist everything to suit their agenda.

I haven’t really twisted anything. I don’t know how other feel about it but clearly after getting the job there’s something wrong.

Ole’s approach has been different and our football is glaringly different.

You don’t want to break those two periods - fine. But to me they should be different in terms of expectations and pressure and clearly the pressure of getting the full time job got to him.

We have seen managers evaluated on 10-15 games before - getting the job and then getting the sack (Di Matteo).

Why should Ole be different?

We don’t have DoF who chose him. We don’t have different structure, nor we invested heavily to back him. Who not build the foundations this Summer?

 

[7even]

The moment that confirmed that Ole was the wrong appointment was during the Everton game when the camera panned to him on the touchline. His eyes said it all. He had no clue why you were being spanked and even less of an idea of what to do about it.

He's horribly out of his depth and I cannot believe any sane United fan would want him (and Woodward) to be in charge of the massive rebuilding project that you have.
He seems like a nice guy but being brutally honest he's not a United manager.

You look at it from the outside without emotions, that’s why you don’t hesitate with your conclusions. Some of us agree and others don’t and we’re almost back to square one. David Moyes part 2. Six years later.

My issue is first and foremost is the disjointed set up we have from top to bottom.

We're making mistake after mistake, but won't admit it until thing go poo poo first.

You have to question his appointment first as a caretaker, then the decision to prematurely appoint him full time. Have to be honest here, I wasn't for this appointment at the first place. To me he lacked experience and personally wanted more known manager to finish off the season, give us time to set up a proper structure, have DoF, who will choose the direction and him appoint the new manager.

If we break Ole's supposed style - which btw I'm still not sure what is it - and we believe the caftards that he's trying to employ high press and proactive set up at high pace, then we need to realize how far we're from having the personnel to employ such a system.

Look at it this way - the board made the call after, supposedly exploring him, to hire Ole despite having a set up that would require more conservative manager finish our season. Literally no idea whatsoever. We don't have the forwards to employ high press - Lukaku is panting for breath at the 20th minute. Martial couldn't be bothered. Mata is old and not the ideal type. Alexis is terribly off form since we brought him, Rashford maybe is the only one, considering Lingard is also shite.

Then we don't have the midfield to initiate quick transitions, nor we have the players with solid tactical head to get into right positions, intercept play and also close the gaps. The defence is shambles, that's given.

So what do we do - employ a manager who has little versatility - shown on more than one occasion - and who doesn't really have a plan B, neither being able to work with the players he has, so we need to revamp the whole team in a way it suits him, but that's the plan if we had the next permanent manager in place, not Ole, who based on his credentials was brought in as a temporary solution.

What happens is we put several good performances, which you have to wonder, whether it is due to Solskjaer doing some magic or the players, burden free, played without pressure and gained some confidence back.

If we had the opposite scenario - Ole starting bad and finishing the season on high note I'd believe he has changed something and maybe he needs a chance to continue his work and bring his own players. But in reality he has proven so far that he can't bounce back after a defeat. Something crucial for every manager.

The confidence is down, we can't even beat relegated sides and his every action on the bench is questionable.

This is why I asked which is Ole's style and not the 'default' mish mash of Jose's team playing with or without confidence. So far I'm not sure there is one. As you mentioned the only thing that changed after Jose was sacked was that we played with a bit more intensity(we did as you say in flashes under Jose as well), and to me we got a bit of our confidence back since a series of good results.

But even during the good run I can't pin it on something special that Ole did tactically:
- We beat Spurs away - but let's be honest they battered us and De Gea probably saved at least 3-4 goals.
- we always took the lead and the only time we were catching up was when we drew with Burnley and Soton at home.
- as soon as we needed to show character in defeat or when teams were more accustomed to the "new instructions" Solskjaer implemented we didn't have answer in any of the games and honestly those vs Watford and West Ham flattered us.

You deliver so many quality posts, especially those you explain step by step together with images. I enjoy reading them all as well as this last one. Spot on from top to bottom.

When I see Ole I see a new younger version of Davis Moyes. A pragmatist but without his own visions. I don’t think that kind of leadership will takes us forward to compete with the best.

 

[Massive Spanner]

A good Twitter thread for the doom merchants and provides a good amount of context to what has happened and gives a fair account of what we saw in that early period.

That guy comes across as a right know-it-all prick.

 

[Enigma_87]

Why?

Because neither you, nor I, know that we will lose another season. Because the club have hired a manager and it would be their most ridiculous decision yet to fire him now if they believed in him, Phelan, Carrick and co. and their project just 7-8 weeks ago.
If the club, and by club I mean much more than Ed, I mean the advisory board and everyone else behind the scenes has belief in that project/plan, then why the feck would you cancel everything because of a bad run of results with a squad that not even the great Jose Mourinho could get a tune out of?
Contacts with players and agents are already in place, a Summer plan is in place regarding sales, recruitment, training etc.
But yeah, rip that up now because we've had a shit run of results.

Do you even hear how that sounds?

There isn’t a project mate. It’s only changing personnel and people come and go these past 6 years. If there was project and we’ve backed Ole with 200-300m, or he has won bunch of stuff as a manager or even had a recognisable style as Pep or Klopp, proven at other clubs and being successful at the highest level I’d back that.

I’d love to see and back a project at the moment. But what are we backing right now, someone with good intentions that has played for the club before? Is that enough for a club like United?

 

[Mainoldo]

A good Twitter thread for the doom merchants and provides a good amount of context to what has happened and gives a fair account of what we saw in that early period.

I'm dumbfounded that this has to be said in the first place, but the standard of debate and football knowledge on the caf, as with social media as a whole, has regressed to an alarming degree.

Do I believe that Ole will definitely take us back? Of course not, because there are no definites. But I will at least give him the chance to set us on the path. Four different managers have now come in, two of whom are some of the greatest to have been in the role and they couldn't achieve what they needed to. I would be more than happy to give him a chance simply because those first 13 games were some of the best football I've seen from us in years and he was responsible for the most elated feeling I have ever felt for the club in the post-SAF era. Jose, LvG et al had the record but Ole more than trumped what they did in 4 years in as little as a couple of months.

If it doesn't work out then fine, but people going on like he'll ruin us. Get some perspective, ffs. We can't get any worse! Jose had us on the verge of being overtaken by fecking Wolves, ffs! For us to even be in the conversation for the Top 4 at all, let alone in Week 37 was nothing short of a miracle.

Yes it petered out, but like the thread says, I saw more than enough in those early weeks to give him a chance. He juggled with injuries, played top sides, and handled every potential setback during that run and still got us the results, so it's not as if he couldn't handle adversity or deal with bigger sides. The players simply ran out of juice. A lot of them aren't good enough and will be phased out during the course of the next couple of years but it's absolutely crucial that he gets backed.

1 great manager who was past it, a dictator who was ready for retirement and David Moyes(check his CV). So I don’t know what your babbling on about.

 

[Bojan11]

That guy comes across as a right know-it-all prick.

Plus I rather take advice from Arthur Morgan.

 

[Enigma_87]

If you want to look at second stint then look at the day they both started at respective clubs. Ole the manager got appointed in December and the same is the manager now. Both the good and bad he's done should be rightfully credited to him. If you don't want to do this, then fine. What ever that gets you sleep.

That’s not fair comparison mate. If you want to compare stints you take the time both are at helm.

Yes we can argue about semantics and whether the perm job title affected him (to me it clearly did) but to me comparing Ole to the best managers in the world right now is insane, just to prove your point - give him time.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I’d love to see and back a project at the moment. But what are we backing right now, someone with good intentions that has played for the club before? Is that enough for a club like United?

Neither you, nor I know the project but with Ole, Carrick and Phelan involved I'd imagine it's better than you think. The club will be well aware of this and the advisory board that includes a pretty successful manager has obviously backed the project in order for Ole and Phelan to be taken on full time.

Right now you're moaning for the sake of moaning, Mourinho is one of the best managers ever and he couldn't get a tune out of this side. It needs ripping up.
The football men at the club have belief that this is the right way to go, and you can be sure there's a much bigger plan behind this than what you are giving everyone credit for.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

There isn’t a project mate. It’s only changing personnel and people come and go these past 6 years. If there was project and we’ve backed Ole with 200-300m, or he has won bunch of stuff as a manager or even had a recognisable style as Pep or Klopp, proven at other clubs and being successful at the highest level I’d back that.

I’d love to see and back a project at the moment. But what are we backing right now, someone with good intentions that has played for the club before? Is that enough for a club like United?

It's what we've become now. Make decisions based on sentiment and no logic.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Plus I rather take advice from Arthur Morgan.

Arthur at Old Trafford booing the team like he does at the theater would be great.

"Get back in the kitchen!"

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Neither you, nor I know the project but with Ole, Carrick and Phelan involved I'd imagine it's better than you think. The club will be well aware of this and the advisory board that includes a pretty successful manager has obviously backed the project in order for Ole and Phelan to be taken on full time.

Right now you're moaning for the sake of moaning, Mourinho is one of the best managers ever and he couldn't get a tune out of this side. It needs ripping up.
The football men at the club have belief that this is the right way to go, and you can be sure there's a much bigger plan behind this than what you are giving everyone credit for.

Ah yes, the board that hired Moyes instead of Mourinho, hired a manager who peaked 20 years prior to his appointment; then went back and hired the man who we should have hired 3 years prior on the back of his worst ever season as a manager. That board only fills me with confidence.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Ah yes, the board that hired Moyes instead of Mourinho, hired a manager who peaked 20 years prior to his appointment; then went back and hired the man who we should have hired 3 years prior on the back of his worst ever season as a manager. That board only fills me with confidence.

I get that it fills you with no confidence, but as of now you're simply moaning for the sake of moaning.

Simple fact is, none of us have any idea right at this moment.

If you were to see the final month of Mourinho's reign and the final one of this season, it'd be extremely difficult to judge which one was managed by one of the most successful manager's in history. This squad is that shit.

Judge Ole on what he does in the Summer, not on what a shit squad he has now.

 

[Shark]

We are actually turning into Liverpool. Only silver lining is that Liverpool seem to have figured it out finally, we can do so too.

By signing a successful manager actually on the top of his game, not a manager that's long past it(LVG & Jose) and two managers blatantly out of their depth.

We should have signed Poch, there's no two ways about it.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Yup. We should forget about targets like winning the title for right now. Get back to building a quality, be able to put out a starting 11 of quality players and still leave space for youth to get chances. Thatll take a few years in itself, any trophies would be a bonus. See where we're at in 2-3 years and what we need to get the added push. That all starts with truly fixing our defense and midfield.

I agree with you. And i don't mind going in that way. Step by step. But this club just can't do that. For doing that you need to buy/extend contracts only quality players. We are still acting like family club. We want English core, we will not buy quality player if we have on that position solid academy player, we will extend contract to player just because he is here 5,6,7 years. We hired manager just because he is our legend, ffs.
Old days are over. If you want success, you need to be ruthless. We are not that. Simple as that

 

[2 man midfield]

Most Molde fans are glad he left and wouldn't want him back if given the opportunity. I'll leave it at that.

Where did you read that?

 

[manUfan2005]

Ole deserves at least a chance and this summer is going to be big for him. hope he is allowed to clear out the deadwood (including the english deadwood) or at least gets new players who will all be in starting XI. That is critical I think. Get players who will take their place in the starting XI and those players should never let young, jones, smalling, lingard replace them.

For all the haters, here is something to consider before bashing Ole for this season. When Klopp took over, Liverpool were 10th in the league with 12 points in 8 matches. And guess where they ended. Eighth position with just 60 points. They got 48 points in Klopp’s 30 games in charge. Having said that will Ole be as good as Klopp?? We will soon find out next season. I hope he can turn things around.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Neither you, nor I know the project but with Ole, Carrick and Phelan involved I'd imagine it's better than you think.

Hope so.

My take on this is that it will become obvious soon whether Ole actually has a proper project, rather than just winging it, so to speak.

If there are few apparent changes, I'll be very skeptical, not to say pessimistic. Put it like this: the more radical the ins/outs are, the better I'll feel.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I agree with you. And i don't mind going in that way. Step by step. But this club just can't do that. For doing that you need to buy/extend contracts only quality players. We are still acting like family club. We want English core, we will not buy quality player if we have on that position solid academy player, we will extend contract to player just because he is here 5,6,7 years. We hired manager just because he is our legend, ffs.
Old days are over. If you want success, you need to be ruthless. We are not that. Simple as that

Pah, we had no quarms getting rid of Rooney or letting Valencia go.

The rest is all in your head as of right now.

 

[romufc]

The fans getting on the back of Ole. All we know is that he wants fast play with high press - But we have not seen this in the last 2 months? It feels he is just picking the team and saying go play? Surely he is working on tactics and knows how he wants his players to play? There is no style whatsoever to this United team. Keeps picking Jones, Smalling, Young, Lingard.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Like Mourinho or Louis Van Gaal...

Solskjaer was left with a squad that just doesn't cut it.

I am concerned that we gave new contracts to Smalling and Jones...I don't know if this was down to Ole, who wasn't manager at the time, or if he had any input.

I'm happy to wait and see who he brings in. I don't know what went wrong but the team became shambolic and just looked confused without a clue as to what to do next. It's not down to Ole - or Jose come to that - that they frequently play as though the game is new to them - amateur defending, watching players go past them, poor passing etc. etc.

I just don't see it...

I mean, 5 months and there's no stamp of his own football - or if there is, this is it!

I just don't think this is the guy to give a massive rebuilding job to, it seems crazy to me. Crazy even for Woodward's usual level...

What I think will happen is that Ole continues to show he's not up to the job, he gets sacked around Christmas and we then have to employ someone else in the middle of a fecking season, and make all the same excuses for them - needs their own squad, can't be judged on 5 months worth of footy etc - and the same pattern repeats.

I just really think that the board need to step in now - right now, and correct the decision they made.

That's just my opinion.

 

[Enigma_87]

There's such a thing as realism. If I thought there was half a chance Woody was actually considering firing him and bringing in someone "proper" (who would you favour, out of interest?), I'd certainly be willing to discuss whether this should be done: I'm far from convinced Ole will be a success.

But he won't a) be hired permanently b) have his assistant manager confirmed with one match of the season to go c) state publicly that the real job starts now only to d) get fired before a move has been made.

So, get over it for now. There's nothing else to do but wait and see who he brings in (and lets go).

I thought the same as well, but probably the kneejerk reaction after some decent string of games took over for Woody and that plan went out of the window.

We'd probably be the first club that appoints manager first DoF second. Makes no sense at all.

To me we should create a project, but take someone experienced. I'm not buying Phelan, Rio or other old mate for the job.

We should aim for proven candidates - Monchi, Zorc, Campos, Brands, VdS. Of course some might not be available but those should be the names that we look for.

Then we need someone like Overmars to oversee day to day activities, the youth set ups etc.

Both of them can then shortlist manager who will bring his own staff, but not adding Phill Neville to the picture - just because.

Basically we need to detach ourselves from the old non working structure and move Ed to the financial side(but that's given).

You look at it from the outside without emotions, that’s why you don’t hesitate with your conclusions. Some of us agree and others don’t and we’re almost back to square one. David Moyes part 2. Six years later.



You deliver so many quality posts, especially those you explain step by step together with images. I enjoy reading them all as well as this last one. Spot on from top to bottom.

When I see Ole I see a new younger version of Davis Moyes. A pragmatist but without his own visions. I don’t think that kind of leadership will takes us forward to compete with the best.

Cheers mate, I love detailed sources and getting into detail of what are our core problems. Don't have anything personal against Ole, he's a nice bloke and dare to say United legend, but not really the appropriate choice to me to bring the club forward.

 

[westmeath]

Do you find it that difficult to believe that they have sacked Hughton? Or is it that we aren't sacking Ole, now that they have sacked Hughton, as if the two were linked somehow?

If you are desperate for news of a sacking I'm afraid you are in for a miserable time.

If I was Chris Hughton I’d be looking at Ole thinking “I’ve as good a record as him over the past 10 games or so but he has several times my budget, wtf is going on?” Relative to what ole has done, Hughton is Sir Alex mark 2.

 

[Greck]

I’m desperate to see news of his sacking come up on my phone. I can’t believe Chris Hughton has been sacked and we are sticking with Ole. I think Chris would be better in the United job than Ole (but still nowhere near suitable for the job).

Fools the lot. How do they know he wasn't right for them? Had he yet been given the chance to both spend 300m and organise specialist preseason fitness drills? You just know they don't understand football

 

[PedroMendez]

Phil Jones got a new contract while he was in charge. That tells you all you need to know.

 

[Enigma_87]

Neither you, nor I know the project but with Ole, Carrick and Phelan involved I'd imagine it's better than you think. The club will be well aware of this and the advisory board that includes a pretty successful manager has obviously backed the project in order for Ole and Phelan to be taken on full time.

Right now you're moaning for the sake of moaning, Mourinho is one of the best managers ever and he couldn't get a tune out of this side. It needs ripping up.
The football men at the club have belief that this is the right way to go, and you can be sure there's a much bigger plan behind this than what you are giving everyone credit for.

The club has been hiring old mates since 6 years. Don't see a fresh approach here. It's still Ed calling shots with hiring yes men.

The club including same advisory board has backed Moyes, and apparently backed Jose to fire him couple of months later standing in the way the whole Summer.

I'm not moaning for the sake of moaning. I've been backing up Jose since he was appointed (granted 3 years too late). I'd certainly back a viable project, but Phelan, Carrick and Ole.. Allow me to be skeptical

 

[Hedgehog72]

I think it was a short sighted decision to hire him on a permanent basis, but given where we are now I don't see any other option but to back him and hope he can turn this around. No top class Manager including Poch would be remotely interested in running this team right now. Hopefully with financial support and a chance to offload most of the current crop of shite we have, he can start a much needed rebuild. It will take time, but lets give him a chance at least. He will have to be very clever in the transfer market as we wont be able to attract the top players and we wont get much for selling this lot. I am not overly optimistic about next season, but if we can see some progress in results, attitude and football style that will be something.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

We'd probably be the first club that appoints manager first DoF second. Makes no sense at all.

Agreed, 100%. I said back in October, when Mou's meltdown was in full bloom, that what Ed should do is to sack Mou, bring in a caretaker (purely an interim) and focus on bringing in a DoF. Then leave it to the DoF to hire the next manager.

To me we should create a project, but take someone experienced. I'm not buying Phelan, Rio or other old mate for the job.

Agreed again. Use ex-players/coaches as consultants, to formulate a "vision" for the future (style, recruitment) but hire an experienced figure to carry out the actual job.

Basically we need to detach ourselves from the old non working structure and move Ed to the financial side(but that's given).

Amen to that.

 

[redIndianDevil]

By signing a successful manager actually on the top of his game, not a manager that's long past it(LVG & Jose) and two managers blatantly out of their depth.

We should have signed Poch, there's no two ways about it.

I agree but nothing we can do about it, seeing as even match going fans are dumb enough to support OGS, they should be the ones demanding better performances seeing as they are spending their precious money. But most of the match going fans still seem to be in nostalgia mode about SAF and keeping up the dumb notion that any manager should be supported.

 

[Garethw]

And even then if he messes up the excuse will be "give him more time, it's new players settling into the team". It's funny because the same excuses were made for both Moyes and Van Gaal (he's laying foundations rubbish).

You got Conte available and even possibly Allegri and yet because Woodward can only make reactionary decisions we end up with a manager that was a failure in the EFL Championship, and my anger is not directed at Solskjear, he didn't make the decision to be the full time manager, Woodward is just so awful with his footballing decisions, terrible managerial choices and a complete moron in the transfer market, whi can forget the brilliance of waiting until Fellaini's release clause at Everton expired and having to pay more for him.

I agree 100%. A total shambles mate.

 

[Enigma_87]

Agreed, 100%. I said back in October, when Mou's meltdown was in full bloom, that what Ed should do is to sack Mou, bring in a caretaker (purely an interim) and focus on bringing in a DoF. Then leave it to the DoF to hire the next manager.



Agreed again. Use ex-players/coaches as consultants, to formulate a "vision" for the future (style, recruitment) but hire an experienced figure to carry out the actual job.



Amen to that.

Yeah, given our state and results at the time, sacking Jose was the correct decision for both parties. Especially after the summer.

The road afterwards was natural - interim, DoF -> new manager in the Summer after research, talks, transfer strategy..

Can't believe how astute businessman can make such knee jerk decisions giving him 3 years contract on the basis of handful of games. I mean 3 years? It's not like Ole wouldn't accept 1.

It's not like Ole is the biggest culprit, I get it that he does the best he can and wouldn't hold it against him(staying), but Woodward, we need to get him off football related stuff ASAP.