I think we are in a terrible rut, but we'll definitely win some of those games, due to the quality of the team. The depressing thing is that if we scrape through our CL group and are 'only' 4 or 5 points off top four going into the new year, he will likely get to see out the season. Our standards are a fecking joke.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I think we are in a terrible rut, but we'll definitely win some of those games, due to the quality of the team. The depressing thing is that if we scrape through our CL group and are 'only' 4 or 5 points off top four going into the new year, he will likely get to see out the season. Our standards are a fecking joke.
After what happened with the last one, they might be wary.
Why? All you have to do is not hire the caretaker permanently. It's not rocket science.
There is no reason to keep Ole a second longer. Literally not a single one.
We are a streaky side as he said, but he had all the players onside then. I worry that it isn't necessarily the case this time round.
I agree. However our lot as that stupid. You seriously worry who this lot would bring in as a caretaker.
To be honest I wouldn't care too much who the caretaker is. We have to take a shit in the dark to try save this season.
We won't be doing anything with Ole so we have nothing to lose.
We're a joke, struggling to see a bright side.
Well actually at least we won't hire another Ex United player caretaker manager and give him a 3 year contract and 400 mill after a run of decent performances.
Well actually at least we won't hire another Ex United player caretaker manager and give him a 3 year contract and 400 mill after a run of decent performances.
They should have just let him see out his contract and go from there. I don't know why we are so surprised that they did this, look how they deal with players contracts. Too long a contract for too much money. We are a laughing stock.
TBF, the team and manager are still getting support at games etc. I understand why it's being done, but it's also so easy for the board to use that as justification that people are content with the current management
Results and especially performances will need to pick up soon. You would think even the ones trying to do the right thing will have a breaking point.
They’re wary of possession managers after LvG…
They’re wary of win at any cost managers after Mourinho…
They’re wary of caretaker managers after Solskjaer…
Seriously, maybe they should just feck off out of football and leave it to owners who are actually up for making decisions and running clubs…?
It’s blatantly obvious that football just isn’t for them.
They have no business running a club, and it appears that they themselves are starting to realise this with how incredibly reluctant they are to actually make decisions and RUN their club.
I agree. Even Arsenal seem to be getting better at running their club. If things don't pick up it could be terrible. The owners need CL football. EL again and some players might want out, not the ones we want out either.
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Solskjaer hasn’t lost the dressing room. It’s just that the players have started to pity him.
Watched WHU beat Lpool this evening. I was thinking, is this the Moyes, all that. I thought the Hammers are playing for him. Week in, week out. And …
Solskjaer hasn’t lost the dressing room. It’s just that the players have started to pity him.
For christ sakes just do it. Bloody hell. At this point it's not even about tactics anymore it's just about a sheer lack of motivation from the players to go out there and give it their best under him. We just need someone to come in and motivate them. How on earth are west ham and arsenal above us with the squad we have?
For sake of not sounding like pessimistic c*nt, I'll say Sunday is and never was proper day for solid news, it's more of a gossip corner for guys like Wheeler... Then again think guys like Romano would report there's contact between club and new manager if something was brewing.
The board are going through the stages of grief, they firmly believed that Ole was the right man and they never saw this collapse coming. They'll reach the acceptance stage eventually and he'll be sacked, I just hope top 4 isn't gone before then.
We need to be close to 100% win rate to overtake top 4 by the time Ole's sacked.
It's doable but not probable.
I think it is both, players he trust(Maguire/Shaw/McFred etc) let him down and also other players lost trust in him. Ole was very good in motivating players when he initially joined and showing Man Utd Style/Dna (blah blah) but when chips are down ( players losing form , tactics not working etc) he does not adapt and I think players are realizing it now. We lost quite a few finals/knockout games because of this and I think attacking players are very unhappy with defense/midfield and looking at Ole asking for answers. And Ole of course does not have any answers and plays the same players in the defense. Of course pure speculation
If Shaw and Maguire get their business (aka $hit) together, we will win games but the bigger problem still exists, when things not going in your way do you have any alternate solution, which I dont think Ole has.
Ole 2 weeks ago after getting pumped by Liverpool - "Maybe we are too open and we have to be harder to play through"
2 weeks later after getting humiliated by City - "It's time to get on the front foot and attack"
Couldn't make this shit up.
2 weeks later after getting humiliated by City - "It's time to get on the front foot and attack"
Couldn't make this shit up.
Hahaha. And at no point ever talk about actual tactics
Ole is the kind of guy who would give a great TED Talk about being a football manager without being good at actually being a football manager. Like most people on here think, through the comments they make, that they would give a great Ted Talk on the subject they are discussing but without being good at actually giving a Ted Talk on the subject they are discussing.
This is the big problem and why it must be extremely confusing for the recruitment team, because Solskjaer went on record and said he was working towards playing a specific way. And now after 3 years, we're a team that has no identity. Solskjaer and the coaching team have shown us one way of playing the game which is the reason they're still here after almost 3 years. And that one way was to play a compact low/mid-block, on the counter attack. It's probably the most basic way of playing the game and getting results IMO, especially against the big teams. And I've been saying this for sometime and gave him the benefit of the doubt because it was thought he needed a CB who could help him implement playing a high line. The below quotes from Guardiola are spot on and we approach games against the big teams in a reactive manner IMO.
We've mostly done the same post Fergie, where we look to react, rather than be proactive with maybe a short period in LVGs reign where we adopted a front foot approach. Apart from that, our hiring of coaches has seen us not once implement high pressure football consistently. Because we've never hired a coach who adopts that way of playing the game, in these modern times.
A big half of our mess is created because they're listening to the one we called football god.
So maybe they should stop listening to him and actually run the club according to their business sense.
I will always respect him for what he did as a player but like someone else said in another thread it's starting to make me laugh at him for such comical play and all round poor setups on a regular basis
Expect Mitten to go into hiding especially if the likes of Ducker, Ogden & Luckhurst start saying similar stuff
Didn't know Ferguson enjoyed mediocrity.
There might be some truth in this. Would explain why the board are very hush hush about this even though every man and his dog knows that we should've sacked Ole. Same reason we decided to give Moyes a 6 year contract. Six.
Pulling this out my arse but I wonder whether rather than blindly backing Ole, Ferguson actually warned against Conte and the future issues that short termism would inevitably bring.
If Ole doesn’t do a decent thing and resign, he will loss my respect on him and will tarnish his legendary status at the club too. He is simply dragging us down now and refuse to let us go.
What does he know?
Nah. Our board would have seen Conte challenging the Inter and Chelsea boards for signings and thought: 'Nope. None of that.'
Nonsense. He's not going to walk away from £8m. Why should he? None of us would either.
The club have to make the call. This has gone beyond Ole now.
Everyone keeps on saying 'with the squad we have'... just because you spend a lot of money on a player doesn't mean he's good.
Our whole midfield has been a joke this season, including Fernandes.
Ronaldo is the only top player at our club at the moment.
Maguire is shocking.
Rashford is the most inconsistent player
Martial sucks
Cavani is injury prone
Sancho can't play in the PL
Fred makes too many mistakes
Pogba has completely lost it
Fernandes since his first season has dropped massively in performance
Greenwood is a prospect.
Shaw has gone back to his own ways
I would get rid of 7 out of the top 10 players and start a rebuild
Our whole midfield has been a joke this season, including Fernandes.
Ronaldo is the only top player at our club at the moment.
Maguire is shocking.
Rashford is the most inconsistent player
Martial sucks
Cavani is injury prone
Sancho can't play in the PL
Fred makes too many mistakes
Pogba has completely lost it
Fernandes since his first season has dropped massively in performance
Greenwood is a prospect.
Shaw has gone back to his own ways
I would get rid of 7 out of the top 10 players and start a rebuild
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