I feel sorry for him he's clearly out of his depth bit this stupid club will not realise it till it's too late. Cue another shit season
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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We have hit rock bottom and everyone (except some kids on here) can see that we have a very bad setup with Woodward and a player culture who is toxic.
Ole has a great standing with most United fans. He can be hard as nails, make no mistake on that. He will act as a gentleman public, but no one will escape him behind closed doors.
So imo I think big things will happen. It will take time, but it will be in the right direction.
I think Ole is not the right man for the job, our stupid board made the stupid (surprise surprise) decision by offering him a permanent job in March. Keeping him will do more harm than good so I think he should be sacked at the end of the season. We are just delaying the inevitable otherwise.
This is laughable, blaming Ole for the these utter shite performances on the pitch by these over paid divas. If he's the wrong man then why didn't it work when we had Mourinho? Simply because we have the wrong mentality when buying player for commercial benefit rather than building a squad that can complete.
Exactly. And if the point is we're nine points further away, then what about:
Chelsea: 15 points further away from the top
Spurs: 18 points further away from the top
None of the other top four contenders have closed in on the top two clubs. It'd be pretty much impossible due to their near perfect run of form.
When Mourinho was sacked, we were 11 points behind fourth, eight points behind fifth, one point ahead of seventh and five points ahead of 13th.
Now, we are four points behind fourth, 0-3 points behind fifth, six points ahead of seventh and 21 points ahead of 13th.
The way we've fallen away the past few weeks or so is disappointing but if we had kept Mourinho, I think we'd be a lot closer to the 7-9th region and we certainly wouldn't have had hopes of qualifying for the CL with just a few games to go.
Huge few months ahead for the club.
So your discrediting what Ten Hag has done against the best teams in Europe this season but Solskjear is fine in your book despite not even being able to hack it in the championship and made a mess of rebuilding a squad for himself with Cardiff, even Benitez's is a better option than Solskjear, Solskjear would probably have Newcastle at the bottom of the league.
They were both highly respected CL winning managers with success in every league they coached in. Jose was probably the winningest manager behind Fergie this side of Y2K.
The things about Ten Hag is that he has a great footballing philosophy. Total football 2.0 has been established at Ajax since he has been appointed. I understand that the team was created by Overmars and Van Der Sar, but they are not in charge of the type of football the players play on the pitch. United needs similar restructuring, but we also need a manager who has a positive philosophy and can develop our players.
We will have to see if we can still attract top players. Not many players would say, hey I want to play for Ole. We have to hope the lure of Manchester is still there and not just big paycheck like we saw with Sanchez who has been one of our worst signings. Frankie Di Jong wanted to join Spurs because of Pochettino development abilities, Erik Ten could lure De Ligt and if he does even better in the champions league, his profile will get higher and lure more interest.
This. People must stop talking as there is no managers out there. We made a mistake. Hire another. Mistake again? Hire another, ffs.
All clubs doing that. Small, medium and big. So what is the problem? Because it is not United way?
Turns out Martial, Lukaku and Lingard are not the problem.
Proven to be an excellent PL manager. He was excellent at Southampton. Spurs were right to appoint him
If we don't have a few players already signed up (due to these players not knowing who is manager) then the decision to appoint Ole so soon was bizarre (especially in the middle of his losing streak)
Can tell he's fed up of some players. I just hope we don't see him persist with the likes of young and Jones however
Can tell he's fed up of some players. I just hope we don't see him persist with the likes of young and Jones however
I want to give him a chance, but I do start to think that to fire him would be the best. There is so much negativity around and I do think we need a fresh start.
Madrid had Ronaldo. We have the likes of Lukaku. They could afford to swap managers because they had the best player in the world, we can't afford to do it because each new manager changes the squad and players, only to get sacked and leave the next manager with a mess. At some point you have to break the cycle and get behind a manager who you feel an install the ethos you want here.
Absolutely. Best case is that Spurs don't get top 4 and Poch is available.
Poch wasn't "proven world class" when they recruited him unless you have a different definition of world class. For me it means signing one of the best managers in the world. Poch wasn't at the time despite doing well with Southampton.
Does he come with Harry Kane?
We need a director of football. Thats our priority. So that if we do sack Ole, we aren't a complete shambles again.
I won't judge Ole until he's had at least a transfer window and pre-season. His football depends on high fitness pressing. And our lot are the unfittest in the league. If anything I hope that at least Ole gets rid of most of the shite. So that worst case scenario we don't have another manager having to do it.
Until then Im behind Ole though.
I don’t expect just if he wants to
Play them there will be chances to, one dead rubber at end of season is pointless. He’ll have to play some of them next season because this team won’t be good to compete on both fronts.
Thanks for this post. You are spot on.
Agreed that there is not enough quality in this squad but as a manager you should find a way with what you got in your hand?
If Ole cant motivate players or get results against teams like Huddersfield, wondering how he can change that next year? I dont think spending 300mil on new players would fix it either if he cant change the losing pattern or players mentality in tough situations. Isn't it ?
No proper football hierarchy, no proper transfer dealings, no experienced manager. In the previous years atleast I had a hope that LVG/Jose could change our fortunes but now I am losing the faith.
If Ole cant motivate players or get results against teams like Huddersfield, wondering how he can change that next year? I dont think spending 300mil on new players would fix it either if he cant change the losing pattern or players mentality in tough situations. Isn't it ?
No proper football hierarchy, no proper transfer dealings, no experienced manager. In the previous years atleast I had a hope that LVG/Jose could change our fortunes but now I am losing the faith.
Absolute nonsense.
Watching his post match interview is a bit cringe to be honest.
He knows we're utter shit, but at the end he throws "we know we're not far away". Then he gets asked the same thing again and he answers "we're many levels behind City and Liverpool".
Dunno, it's starting to sound a bit Moyesesque. Let's hope he'll surprise everyone and turn it around if given the chance. I still think he won't be given the chance though.
He knows we're utter shit, but at the end he throws "we know we're not far away". Then he gets asked the same thing again and he answers "we're many levels behind City and Liverpool".
Dunno, it's starting to sound a bit Moyesesque. Let's hope he'll surprise everyone and turn it around if given the chance. I still think he won't be given the chance though.
Look I agree about Woodward, he's a huge part of the problem. But the rest, I don't about. I think Ole genuinely likes some of the players and that will be confirmed when next season starts and the same players who have let us down start games.
I like some of the stuff Ole says, but its been all talk so far. This summer is a massive, massive one and we have no DOF. Good times
Ok.
He is the fresh start for goodness sake!
But he needs the summer to make a big change to the squad first.
I don't believe he is good enough for the level we're aiming at. He might be a good motivator when everything goes right, but in 6 months, we've shown zero progression, ou tactics are an enigma, he tinkers too much and it seems like he doesn't really know how he wants us to play. We can't afford to have a clueless manager, the players already aren't good enough, and an inept guy at the charge doesn't help either.
You still haven't provided a viable solution. Who should we hire, what's their approach, which players should they keep, sell, or buy?
He should be ashamed of himself excepting such great responsibility while knowing full well he doesn't possess anything like the qualities required to take them on.
It's the players responsibility to be as fit as the coaching team wants them to be. For whatever reason, requirements were lower under Mourinho. They are not a bunch of unfit fat guys.
Regardless of opinions in here, Ole cant complain, he is reaping rewards of his decisions till this point.
another gem.Isn't that why we need a DOF? I agree with you but I don't think it's the managers job to install that ethos.
The main problem I have with Poch is that Spurs repeatedly have periods in time where you think they are turning a corner and then they have a run of a few bad games at critical moments and you question their mentality again. He is an excellent manager though and he certainly is a "top 4" manager. I don't believe there was any genuine opportunity to get him.
Maybe not deemed world class at the time, but it was well documented how much of an excellent up and coming manager he was in world football, and he was fantastic with Southampton.
My point being, Poch was a proven PL manager, proved he could out-perform in the PL. Managing Molde and Cardiff just doesn’t compare I’m afraid.
Looking at fans still defending Ole, this sum up the problem at the club. From top management, manager, players and fans we don't have big club mentality.
If this run of bad results happened at RM or Barcelona, do you think an inexperience and rookie manager can survive? Florentino Perez even sacked league winning manager if they didn't play attacking football.
If this run of bad results happened at RM or Barcelona, do you think an inexperience and rookie manager can survive? Florentino Perez even sacked league winning manager if they didn't play attacking football.
Well they are a bit part of it, let's be honest
Yeah but Ole couldn't avoid this worst run of form because erm erm players. Don't worry though with these same players plus 4 additions and a pre-season suddenly we'll be playing good because he understands the united way or something.
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