I already stated before the start of the season that United will win the league because Ole has one of the best team in Europe. So, how can I apologize for something I already stated? Ole should be sacked if he doesnt at least win a trophy and challenge for the premier league title.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the last 5,6 years or I would say from the appointment of Quiroz, Sir Alex was more of a Chairman of the club than the actual coach/manager. We should not have parted ways with Quiroz. He could have steadied the ship after Sir Alex's departure.
People suggesting Conte here tells me all I need to know about potential options.
We are actually able to spend money. Our owners are leeches but not bad as other financially constrained clubs. Conte would make us so much better with our current squad because he can actually coach the players and set us to play in proper way. Sure the football won't be glitzy but Chelsea's title winning season under him wasn't such a borefest.
The bar wasn't that high you know.
The fact that Carrick is in the job in itself is a huge mistake. How many good players turn into good coaches? Even Andrea Pirlo was so crap.
What's wrong with him?
He “parks the bus”, unlike Ole who is known for his relentless attacking football. Also he must be lacking in the vibes department.
He's volatile, would be extremely short-term, and generally favours older players to play in a more robust fashion.
Can't have a manager with a hairpiece ffs
This.
So much wrong with posts like this. That’s at best a wild assumption. How do you know it’s a mistake Carrick is a coach? Backing it up with Pirlo failing as a manager at Juve. A huge mistake is promoting guys like yourself to the main forums.
On the other hand after years of stick about Fergie controlling the refs it'd be funny to hire an actual match fixer (allegedly)
No. I draw the line at hair piece. Corruption is fine-ish. Hair piece is not.
You can lose a game, it happens.
You can make wrong decisions, even as a manager of a top club.
But what baffles me the most is the reactions post-game. Does he really think they played a good game and were unlucky as he said? Does he believe his own words that they made the right decisions and 'had good control' even in the 2nd half?
I truly hope this is just tactical/psychological speech and he sees the mistakes and the fact that you can't play like that. Not against YB, not against any team. 2-20 shots in total and 0.0 xG over the final 70 minutes are not unlucky, it's embarrassing.
You can make wrong decisions, even as a manager of a top club.
But what baffles me the most is the reactions post-game. Does he really think they played a good game and were unlucky as he said? Does he believe his own words that they made the right decisions and 'had good control' even in the 2nd half?
I truly hope this is just tactical/psychological speech and he sees the mistakes and the fact that you can't play like that. Not against YB, not against any team. 2-20 shots in total and 0.0 xG over the final 70 minutes are not unlucky, it's embarrassing.
We cannot wait for the next SAF. There won't be another like for some time. We have to start becoming ruthless like Chelsea, why should we appreciate mediocrity just because it's a little bit better than all the shitshows? Under Ole we will forever be stuck in the same place and the same excuses that the squad is not good enough. Our squad is more than adequate for us to play compete on equal footing and to play consistently like a team.
The buck stops with the manager. Carrick and McKenna are part of Ole's coaching staff.
If anything he doesn't take shit from the owners. I thought our fanbase appreciated that trait in our manager. We have just signed Ronaldo, SAF signed van Persie in his last year. What's the point in buying expensive young players and having them play under poor coaches? Either get a manager who coaches the team hands on and provides direction to the young players we sign or get someone like Conte who can get the best out of players who are at their peak or slightly off peak as well and young as well(its not like Lautaro martinez became crap under him last season).
This. He's not the right fit.
The bald managers seem to have a decent track record tbh.
If Ole goes it's either bald (Zizou) or toupee (Conte). Pick your poison.
We are all making assumptions and posting opinions here mate. Carrick got a job because he used to be an excellent player and who has been with us for a long time, his coaching credentials are unknown, no one knows whether he can actually coach players. Our central midfield where Carrick excelled for us is one of the worst part of our play, and Carrick was extremely good at transitioning from defence to attack for us for so many years and if he can't get our midfield working then we can only infer that he is a poor coach or he is not able to get his ideas across.
I mentioned Pirlo because he is the most recent amazing player to fail at coaching/management and also because he was such a cerebral midfielder who could run a game.
Who is the right fit then? What is the eligibility criteria for managing us? I thought after 8 years of inconsistent football, getting a manager who can coach us should be the right fit
For a start, he plays 352 same as LVG, so that's Rashford and Sancho fecked. He'll also need to dip into the transfer market because AWB is not his kind of wing back, he'll probably bin him for 30m Trippier.
I like Conte but the issue with him is he would need a certain type of players to work. He likes to play with wing backs and AWB will be a big No No to him. So we are already in need of getting a RB. Not sure if he and Ronaldo can compliment each other. He may like sancho but may not be a huge fan of someone like Bruno who likes to play in a free system. I feel with Conte it won't be a smooth transition.
I actually would prefer Zidane to Conte. He is a flexible manager and has worked with ronaldo and varane. He will enjoy working with our attackers.
I actually would prefer Zidane to Conte. He is a flexible manager and has worked with ronaldo and varane. He will enjoy working with our attackers.
If we keep Ronaldo, people would still find excuses saying that he shouldn’t be kept on because he was gassed and didn’t press the defenders enough to help the team when one man down. Blaming the manager for not making sub or no ball to sub off the big name.
If we subbed off Ronaldo, people found an excuse saying that it didn’t work out because Lingard’s pass back. The outcome is the same, people will blame the manager in regards what the decision is.
Madrid, Barca, Bayern are weak last 2 yrs… our golden chance to win it. But again very low expectations here from some.
Bayern are weak? What planet are you from? They battered PSG last season, who relied on mbappe brilliance to scrape past them.
I don't disagree in spirit with the bolded part but in my opinion you are missing a critical aspect - "Teams with good/very good individuals that know how to move, move the ball around quicker and win the ball back with coordinated pressing quicker are just going to win more games over a season..." You only have to look at City and Brighton to realize for any system/philosophy to work, the players, either bought or developed, have to be good to win games. To actually win titles, the players, either bought or developed, have to be VERY good. And this has been the entire point of my posts/questions to you and others.
You only have to look at the state of the Cafe after yesterday's game to realize just how many folks think Ole is clueless and doesn't have a system. So might not think that but there are multitudes that think they know better than professionals. The fact is Ole does have a system and there are weaknesses to his system just like there are weaknesses to City's. While I admit some of his substitutions were baffling yesterday, and have been at times in the past, there are people blaming "lack of a system" for yesterday's loss when the most simple explanation is a literal braindead decision/execution from a player. People on here were quick to bring up Liverpool vs Chelsea and how 10-man Chelsea held on for a draw. But no one mentioned how 10-man Chelsea side under the same manager, who is far more experienced than Ole, lost to West Brom at home 2-5 few months ago.
United are an immature team with a manager and coaching staff that are not as experienced as our competitors. Ronaldo even said it in one of his post-match interviews that the team needs to "mature" / "be matured" to win titles. Ole is literally rebuilding the team from the ground-up. Like I said, look at the outgoing players and the players that have come in, and we STILL don't have a decent centre mid and STILL don't have a decent second team.
Considering the squad's and management's inexperience and weaknesses in the system, you are bound to have games like Southamption, Wolves etc. where we find it difficult to break down teams and score goals. This is most definitely a continuous process of improvement. Despite all of this, at the end of the day, to finish 3rd and 2nd in the league, not only in terms of position in the table but also in terms of GD, points more toward Ole's United as a whole (system + squad + management + coaching) being better (and improving) than most teams rather than not.
Yes, a City-esque regime of coaching may improve United. Or may be it won't, for maybe the individuals that we have work best when they play off the cuff. Maybe Ronaldo, Pogba, Bruno etc. need that freedom to flourish. Nobody knows for sure what will work, most definitely not the Caf. You only have to see the responses I received to my questions asking to describe "systems" used by Tuchel, Fergie in 2008, and Pep - both responses largely said Pep's was the only "regimented system" and Tuchel and Fergie (and Ole) rely on players to figure things out in the final third.
It's not like Conte is the only good coach in the world. If Ole can't do it (and we're not there so far), get someone who can and who fits into the club culture that has been painstakingly rebuilt. No more managers who think they're bigger than the club.
I understand the rest but the rebuilding excuse doesn't stick anymore as Ole has had three summers and spent eyewatering amounts on players. That we have really completed the rebuild shouldn't be an excuse for our inconsistency and some of the brainfarts he keeps on making that cost us matches and progression.
If we change managers then we need to bring one in that plays progressive football and builds on what Ole has done over the last few seasons. Conte is not it. This chop and change of styles is what got us in trouble in the first place.
One of the best managers available in the world right now isn't enough for some of you as a replacement for Ole. Brilliant.
Mourinho was one of the best managers available when we hired him and look how that turned out. Nobody is saying that Ole is better just that Conte isn't the right fit. Appointing him if we sack Ole is what the old United would do. I would like to think we have a structure in place now and an identity and we would go after a progressive coach.
Believe it if we sack Ole it will be Zidane first then Conte second as our target
Mourinho joined us after an absolute disaster with Chelsea.
Conte has just won a league title last year.
"Right fit" is nonsense used to dumb any possible option people say for Ole. Any manager people will suggest you and others will say he's not the right fight for any bullshite reason : he doesn't play good football, he's short term, he doesn't speak English, he didn't prove himself with a shit team, he doesn't smile enough, he has a hair transplantation ..etc. Any nonsense just to say Ole is the best option for United.
One of the best available and one of the best around if active =/= Mourinho, LVG situation.
If it does go belly up for Ole and he gets sacked this season what about Luis Enrique?
I don't want Conte for the reasons I've already said. No agendas or defending of Ole here I just don't want to see him at United and I believe it would be a terrible appointment that would end in tears. Why is this so hard to understand?
I wouldn't mind Zidane. He played decent football with Madrid, he's a proven winner and still a young coach.
People wanting Zidane or Conte I am sorry I just do not understand. Both are dislikeable, boring, pragmatic, self centred individuals who give zero craps about the club and will just do something similar to what Jose did, probably without the trophies to make it bareable. The fall out from one bad result is absolutely crazy, I would get it if we had just being knocked in to europa again but there’s every chance we can go and storm the group and finish top. Let’s wait and see
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