Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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the_answer said:
If Ole left United would he get a job at West Ham/Wolves/Villareal?
If Klopp left Liverpool would he get a job at Madrid/Juve/Dortmund...?
If Pep left City would he get a job back at Barca/Real/Milan?

That is the difference.

Ole is like that manager who used to run a McD franchise and only got his plushy C-Level because his dad owns the company.
While Pep kind of graduated cum laude from Harvard and was a manager at Google.
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Both Pep and Ole got their breaks in management due to connections to the club, starting as reserve team manager at a club they played for..

Without a doubt Pep is a better coach but let's not pretend he hasn't had breaks. He inherited a club on the up with the best player of all time, then went to the biggest club in Germany, then to City who had been planning on him for years and backed massively in the transfer market to go from a moderately successful club to where it is.

He's basically been guaranteed success, so its not just his coaching alone.
 
Godfather said:
Of the CL group yes. Matters as much as our league position at this point. What does matter though are the underwhelming performances with a world class squad and false dawn after false dawn after false dawn under Ole.
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Every loss - or draw - is an underwhelming performance. If we at the start of the season said we would have 10 points after 4 games, most people would say that´s acceptable. Still, right after that one draw, people wanted him out. When we count our points after the CL groups stage and see us safely through, people will say one loss after a red card in an away game, is acceptable, still, right after that one loss, people will want him out. It´s hard to lose a game of football.
 
"Ole has built a squad that should be capable of winning the top prizes," said United legend Paul Scholes, speaking on BT Sport. "There is not a lot of difference in the top four squads, the only difference is probably in the managers."
 
Canagel said:
this picture is still messing with my mind. How can a manager even allow a player to stand next to him in the technical area like that ?

There is no way these man respect this manager or trust his skills, they know he isnt the guy.
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You're right there isn't that inate respect there is there.
 
Bestietom said:
Also being outwitted in 3 other semi finals.
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He wasn't "outwitted" in any of the semi final losses (unlike the final when he should have made changes), barring the Sevilla match that we should have scored 8 the others were due to us having half the rest time of our opponents, who took full advantage of their superior fitness.
 
Dve said:
Every loss - or draw - is an underwhelming performance. If we at the start of the season said we would have 10 points after 4 games, most people would say that´s acceptable. Still, right after that one draw, people wanted him out. When we count our points after the CL groups stage and see us safely through, people will say one loss after a red card in an away game, is acceptable, still, right after that one loss, people will want him out. It´s hard to lose a game of football.
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The bolded part is simply not true though but it's mentioned after every loss. Hardly anyone wants him out at this stage, for various reasons. But many mention the lack of in-game-management from him and that he doesn't show any signs on improving in that department. At this stage he simply isn't a top class manager and it's questionable if he'll ever turn into one and if we have the time to wait for it.
 
giggs-beckham said:
You're right there isn't that inate respect there is there.
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He's Ronaldo, he does what he wants. If every Tom, Dick and Harry started doing that then i'd be concerned.

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Amadaeus said:
Some fans on here refuse to learn. @crossy1686, @Bobcat, @Tom Cato, @Crashoutcassius , @Berbasbullet, @Acquire Me and so many more.

This has been the same ole that has divided opinions since he came here. The only difference is that he is getting more quality players. I had a thread closed asking, why there is so many false dawns under Ole. The answer should be clear now that he isnt good enough. I still expect us to go through because we have an easy group, but it will take a great amount of luck for us to win the champions league with him in charge. This shouldn’t be United standards. We should expect better football with the team we have.

I will accept your apologies, but once again I am not surprised this happened. There will still be many more false dawns to come. We will not find the right consistency under Ole
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I'll accept your apology at the end of the season when we lift a trophy.
 
This is Ole's nature, trying to sure up the defence with another defender or full backs, sacrificing any structure, he does it at the end of normal games to get over the line, same thing against Everton last season. There's a reason Ronaldo was lonely, we had no adapted formation to get the ball up there and no passing ethos to fall back on. Instead of panicking you go 4-4-1 and keep a balanced side to offer some threat. After gutting the team for defenders we don't create one chance and just invite them all game for 20 shots. He should've kept on the two players that are good at short passing and ball retention, in Sancho and Donny. Just sacrifice Bruno to bring on Dalot at right back, keep the 4 at the back, have Fred and Donny in midfield, keep Pogba on the left with Sancho on the right with Ronaldo up front and then swap Ronaldo for Greenwood later. They'd have something to think about. We just raised the white flag and said try and score which they did after each sub mess.

There's other variations as well that can be instructed by a manager. If you watch Bruno at Sporting he played deeper often resulting in more long range shots. He was tackling and winning the ball back in midfield in many games there he can do that if instructed. All we needed was a more compact structure to fall back on yet Ole is just trying to brick up the goal.

Jeppers7 said:
Can’t be a real quote from a manager
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It is sadly

He also said he brought Lingard on for his legs

Problem was he took off our only midfielder that leaves "Mr legs" there with no clue what to do.
 
He talks a good game, but it's the same mistakes from him time and time again. He never learns. Rather than put out attractive sound bites saying the players "will learn from this defeat" (we haven't, it happened last year out in Turkey) I'd love for him to be pressed on how they are going to learn from it.

Ridiculous subs that seem to make no sense, cowardly football, and outfield players that seem incapable of holding onto and recycling possession.

There was a photo of the three stooges last night. Solskjaer, Carrick and McKenna. All with the same blank, vacant, nobodies home look on their faces as they were trying to work out what to do. Very reminiscent to Moyes, Lumsden and Round years ago.

When a game goes to shit, and we have to turn to the bench, I have zero faith in our ability to be able turn things around. Not because we don't have the right players, but because the man in charge makes changes that seem completely detached from the game that's playing out.

This is what happens though when a manager's CV before United includes winning the Norwegian league and relegating Cardiff. Even when he was at Molde, his win percentage rate wasn't anything off the charts. I'll give him credit for turning the tide and steering us in the right direction, but now it's time to hand over to someone who is capable of taking that next step.

An unpopular candidate, but there's no way Conte gets less out of our players than this, and he's a winner.
 
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Ole needs a better tactical mind around him.

How Carrick and Mckenna can come up with that formation/plan at half time and think it's for the best?

Bringing on another CB at half time was ridiculous. We should have stayed as a 4-4-1.

Unfortunately he got himself in a pickle trying to keep his favourites on the pitch (pogba,bruno,ronaldo) instead of doing what was best for the team IMO.

That 5-3-1 was just a disaster.
 
Conte won last season's Serie A with our rejects who couldn't even kick a ball properly while they were here. 'Nuff said about Ole.
 
He messed up yesterday, but contrary to popular belief, he rarely gets it wrong. And we still wouldn't have lost if not for a Lingard brainfart.
 
I'd be very wary of signing yet another not-Man Utd style coach, even in the case of Pep really. If I had a list honestly Klopp would be top, I think he's the only one with the talent, reputation and style that would definitely work at our club, but unfortunately he's a Scouse bastard. Zidane would be the next closest match but there's definitely still a question mark over just how much better he is as a coach than Ole in my book. Worth a punt though if this season doesn't go well in my view.

Otherwise I'd almost be tempted to take a punt on Simeone even though his style isn't that close to ours, and the reason I say that is that he's proven not only to be a winner, but also adaptable, which is key for us I think. That would assume he's interested in the job though.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Says more about Serie A does it not?
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Yeah, because giving the job to unproven managers way out of their depth simply works wonders, doesn't it? See Pirlo at Juventus last season for evidence. Ole inners are amazing. Brings me back to the Moyesy cult days.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Ole needs a better tactical mind around him.

How Carrick and Mckenna can come up with that formation/plan at half time and think it's for the best?

Bringing on another CB at half time was ridiculous. We should have stayed as a 4-4-1.

Unfortunately he got himself in a pickle trying to keep his favourites on the pitch (pogba,bruno,ronaldo) instead of doing what was best for the team IMO.

That 5-3-1 was just a disaster.
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This, even gave Greenwood the night off in spite of him having a whole two weeks off during the international break.

If only we had competent owners who'd tell him his job is to pick the best team and not try to be everyone's mate and give them a game when he can.

Part of me wishes he'd bench AWB for a stupid red card that cost us the match, but I fully expect him to be starting against West Ham at the weekend.
 
Amadaeus said:
Some fans on here refuse to learn. @crossy1686, @Bobcat, @Tom Cato, @Crashoutcassius , @Berbasbullet, @Acquire Me and so many more.

This has been the same ole that has divided opinions since he came here. The only difference is that he is getting more quality players. I had a thread closed asking, why there is so many false dawns under Ole. The answer should be clear now that he isnt good enough. I still expect us to go through because we have an easy group, but it will take a great amount of luck for us to win the champions league with him in charge. This shouldn’t be United standards. We should expect better football with the team we have.

I will accept your apologies, but once again I am not surprised this happened. There will still be many more false dawns to come. We will not find the right consistency under Ole
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:lol: Well played.

You'll get your excuse the day he get sacked

Giggsyking said:
Some Ole fanboys are devoid of logic. Criticize him when we win with a bad performance and you would be called being negative. Criticize him when we are in shambles and lose and you are being called opportunistic taking the chance to fire shots at him.

Ole fanboys, just gives us a schedule with date and time when we can come to this thread.
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FFS, stop with the "fanboys" crap. Cant moan about @Wumminator bullying you when you bring that kind of divisive rhetoric yourself.

As several people have said already, hes not immune to critizism, nor should he be. The problem is that after every bad result or performance this thread gets flooded with the same shite and its not only tiresome. Its stupid, because judging a manager on a game-to-game basis is senseless. And the fact that this thread gets about 15 new pages every time we lose or draw is very much evidence that people are just waiting for a chance to pounce. His in game managment wasn't great yesterday and there is no doubt he and his coaches could have done that a lot better. That still does not change the fact that we lost the match because of two massive feck ups by our own players

The fact is, the overall trend is improving and has been since he was appointed. We are currently top of the table in the PL and have had a great summer window. Considering Villareal and Atalanta drew yesterday its not like we have crashed out already. You said yourself several times "he has to win the CL or PL this season". The fact that you think we are in serious contention for those trophies must mean hes done a decent job, because we looked properly fecked in 2018 after Jose was sacked and if he was such incompetent clown we could easily have gone the way of Arsenal and scrapping it out in midtable

If you have concrete criticism related to the team selection, subs, tactics. By all means go ahead, but these meltdowns after every bad result are just dumb, espeically in a game where we get a man sent off and give away a free goal from a stupid back pass
 
If he doesn't get out of this group he should be sacked.
We have been pretty fortunate this year so far. Yes, 10 points from 4 games is OK, but we haven't played a decent side yet and we were lucky to beat Wolves, only drew with Southampton (another very poor performance) and Newcastle had their chances at 1-1 before they capitulated.
I like Ole a lot, but its concerning that we still don't seem to have a style of play and his in game management is poor. Rarely made a sub before 75-80 minutes last year regardless of how poorly we were playing and makes one at half time last night which was mind boggling.
A better coach gets much more out of this set of players in my opinion. He's turned things around to a certain extent, but for the final step we need someone better. Does anyone on here really think we'll win the league with Ole in charge?
 
Not creating a single shot in 45 minutes of football against a team of that quality is worthy of a meltdown, to be honest, even with only 10 men. Worst European performance I have ever seen from us.

Still, let's hope we thump them all in the rest of the group games and last night will become a distant memory.
 
Adisa said:
Chelsea went a man down a way to a far superior side and barely conceded a chance after.
I know every game is different but the main issue here was that the direction the match went was entirely predictable after that red card. That's the biggest indictment.
The people saying "it's just one game" are being disingenuous and doing a massive disservice to their own arguments.
A lot of elements in that performance are a general theme of our game under this manager. We weren't even in control of the game before the red card.
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And last season they went on to concede 5 vs WBA, and they were in lesser control of the game than us arguably.
 
Drainy said:
Both Pep and Ole got their breaks in management due to connections to the club, starting as reserve team manager at a club they played for..

Without a doubt Pep is a better coach but let's not pretend he hasn't had breaks. He inherited a club on the up with the best player of all time, then went to the biggest club in Germany, then to City who had been planning on him for years and backed massively in the transfer market to go from a moderately successful club to where it is.

He's basically been guaranteed success, so its not just his coaching alone.
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Well Pep did enjoy his Barca job due to his connections and he delivered. Yes winning with Barca, Bayern and City is easier... but he dominated the leagues. Barca was unplayable. Bayern and City at times were suffocating.
Zidane got his job via pedigree as well. And he delivered.

What did Ole achieve really?What makes you think Ole is the right coach?
 
The argument that criticism only comes when we lose is a very very poor one. As if people would rather criticism was constant and not an analysis of failures as they occur with the long term pros and cons in mind.

I'm really willing Ole on to win a trophy. He has his limitations but there's paths for him to overcome them and overall he's building the right team and the right atmosphere.

My worry is if he doesn't find a way to fix his flaws (let's not forget even Fergie brought coaches in for this) then the expectations now mean the atmosphere may turn in that dressing room. A team that thinks they can win won't stay content if they think they're being held back.
 
IncyWincySpider said:
Not creating a single shot in 45 minutes of football against a team of that quality is worthy of a meltdown, to be honest, even with only 10 men. Worst European performance I have ever seen from us.

Still, let's hope we thump them all in the rest of the group games and last night will become a distant memory.
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Our last shot came in the 25th minute.
 
"The only difference is the quality of the managers, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool have proven winners".

Good quote from a former teammate.
 
Bobcat said:
As several people have said already, hes not immune to critizism, nor should he be. The problem is that after every bad result or performance this thread gets flooded with the same shite and its not only tiresome. Its stupid, because judging a manager on a game-to-game basis is senseless. And the fact that this thread gets about 15 new pages every time we lose or draw is very much evidence that people are just waiting for a chance to pounce. His in game managment wasn't great yesterday and there is no doubt he and his coaches could have done that a lot better. That still does not change the fact that we lost the match because of two massive feck ups by our own players

The fact is, the overall trend is improving and has been since he was appointed. We are currently top of the table in the PL and have had a great summer window. Considering Villareal and Atalanta drew yesterday its not like we have crashed out already. You said yourself several times "he has to win the CL or PL this season". The fact that you think we are in serious contention for those trophies must mean hes done a decent job, because we looked properly fecked in 2018 after Jose was sacked and if he was such incompetent clown we could easily have gone the way of Arsenal and scrapping it out in midtable
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The issue with Ole is that we do not see any system on the field since forever.

Afterward the match yesterday, I have watched Bayern Barca.
You see passing triangles all over the field. Pass and move, pass and move...
With Pep you see the same kind of goals all day long, go to byline, pass into middle of the box and easy tap ins.
These teams have certain go-to moves.
They are well drilled.

Have you seen any patterns yesterday or in general? Our only system is defend and hit on counter. Its simply not good enough.
 
the_answer said:
Well Pep did enjoy his Barca job due to his connections and he delivered. Yes winning with Barca, Bayern and City is easier... but he dominated the leagues. Barca was unplayable. Bayern and City at times were suffocating.
Zidane got his job via pedigree as well. And he delivered.

What did Ole achieve really?What makes you think Ole is the right coach?
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ZZ had a 47% win rate at RM castilla. If you compare it to others, it's nothing extraordinary.

Ole won the Reserves league with us, so not sure what your point is here
 
Idxomer said:
"The only difference is the quality of the managers, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool have proven winners".

Good quote from a former teammate.
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Brutal, but fact.

At the end of the day, every Ole inner has to ask himself this:

If this squad was given to Klopp or Pep, do you think they would win the league? And vice-versa - if Ole was given their squad, do you think they'd be fit enough to challenge? I think we all know the answers.
 
Idxomer said:
"The only difference is the quality of the managers, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool have proven winners".

Good quote from a former teammate.
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They are mates and Scholes can see the writing on the wall, but we are cnuts etc. for suggesting the same.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Ole needs a better tactical mind around him.

How Carrick and Mckenna can come up with that formation/plan at half time and think it's for the best?

Bringing on another CB at half time was ridiculous. We should have stayed as a 4-4-1.

Unfortunately he got himself in a pickle trying to keep his favourites on the pitch (pogba,bruno,ronaldo) instead of doing what was best for the team IMO.

That 5-3-1 was just a disaster.
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I saw Varane coming on and my first reaction was good that he is taking Lindelof off but I was stunned to see it was DVB going off. As soon as the red happened you just knew that which players would be taken off . When you are down to 10 common sense says that you have to keep some pace on and players who can run out with the ball but instead he took Sancho off because that was the easy call
 
Womp said:
They are mates and Scholes can see the writing on the wall, but we are cnuts etc. for suggesting the same.
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I think the difference is he doesn't sound like a cnut when he says it. I don't think there's anything controversial in what he said, they have better managers and Ole needs to win something.
 
Idxomer said:
Not if you watched the game or looked at the stats.
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Umm, they were getting murdered on the counter that game. Most of Chelsea's shots were off set pieces, and if I remember correctly, WBA had no trouble dealing with them
 
Ole’s in-game management was poor yesterday. Still, fecking AWB and Lingard with two crucial feck-ups that can’t be placed at his doorstep.
 
devilish said:
"Ole has built a squad that should be capable of winning the top prizes," said United legend Paul Scholes, speaking on BT Sport. "There is not a lot of difference in the top four squads, the only difference is probably in the managers."
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What does he know? Is he a match going fan?
 
23 pages of crap because we lost a game, we were winning handily, to a decent team whilst playing for an hour with 10 men.

Good to know perspective is still tip top on here
 
Womp said:
They are mates and Scholes can see the writing on the wall, but we are cnuts etc. for suggesting the same.
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Scholes ain't saying it the way you are saying it.


He just pointing out as it stands at the moment Ole ain't won any big prizes so that will be the difference between the teams in his eyes with the squads being so close, until he changes that. Fair enough observation.

I mean it would be daft to go around claiming he's as good as all them 3 based on coming 2nd in the league. So until he delivers that big one, there always be the doubters and the absolute cry baa fannies we have seen from last night who pollute the forum. Embarrassing actually some of the stuff :lol:
 
devilish said:
"Ole has built a squad that should be capable of winning the top prizes," said United legend Paul Scholes, speaking on BT Sport. "There is not a lot of difference in the top four squads, the only difference is probably in the managers."
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oops
 
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