Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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How about reading some more other than a tweet?

I know, it's hard, then you cant criticize the guy.

He made a message to board I think and saying the truth. If changes dont happen we'll slip further. But not, he's a new Moyes.
After second half against Chelsea, i don't care anymore what he says. He says always nice things and when game starts, we look bad as it gets.
He is new Moyes. Only difference is that half of people here know that now and other half will learn that next season
 
The people who complain about what the manager says in a press conference, while knowing full well they'd lose their shit if he said the opposite and those that complain about line-up's before kick off have a special place in hell reserved for them.
Yeah but fans would never turn on Ole, you know.
 
I don't understand why it needs to take years, we have the money and resources available. It wouldn't take Bayern or Madrid years to rebuild so why should it take us that long?
Bayern still has Ribbery and Robben in their ranks.
 
Ole didn't compare us to Leicester City, Everton and Wolves, etc. he says "we have to make sure that we are ones who chase those ahead of us.” He wants us to close gaps between City, Liverpool and us rather than closer to Everton, Leicester City and Wolves who look like they'll improve next season.
 
Last time when our coach compared us with Leicester, there was huge meltdown here. But everything what Ole says, it is ok i guess.
Half the thread is in meltdown over it, what are you on about? And if you read the quotes he never compared us with any of those teams.
 
Latest comments are the Moyesiest words I’ve heard in quite some time.

He needs to get them back to believing again. A few months ago they were brilliant. Now they are Watford! Sounds like he's even doubting top 4 now!

There are great players in that team, but talking like that is hardly going to make the players united need to keep, think that the team is going places.

The more united have slumped the more he has publically embraced the idea that the team is poor, because it reflects better on him. But the players pick up on this even if its subtle. Not only does it make them lose confidence in his confidence in them, but it also leads to resentment, to the point where they may well turn around and say well who are you?

Silly coming out and saying those things IMO. I understand that he wants to lower expectations in order to ease his own pressure (as Moyes did) but even if that is what he's thinking, those comments will not help, or endear him to the players he has to work with. He'll lose the dressing room if he hasn't already.
 
I don't understand why it needs to take years, we have the money and resources available. It wouldn't take Bayern or Madrid years to rebuild so why should it take us that long?

1) In each of the last two years we targeted four summer signings and failed to secure four on both occassions. We also struggled to offload unwanted players. I don't think our current recruitment set-up is capable of presiding over the sort of wholesale change some people want. Particulary given that there are likely limits to the amount the club is willing to spend it one summer. Saying that shouldn't be so doesn't stop in from being so.

2) Our current problems stem in a large part from wasting huge money on the wrong signings. That must be avoided under Solskjaer, which means being very careful in who we target. The number of players who can improve us to the extent we need to challenge for the title who are also actually available and willing to move in a given summer is extremely limited. It's a fantasy to think every player is there to be signed in one particular transfer window and if the right players aren't available then signing the wrong ones instead will only slow down our rebuild.

3) We have a lot of money but so do the clubs we are competing with. Many of whom are either definitely or potentially in a more attractive position than us football-wise. We'll be competing with all of the likes of Barca, Madrid, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and more for the limited amount of available top quality signings mentioned above. Different players may well prefer several of those clubs to us for various reasons, which means we will almost certainly lose out on some of the signings we want.
 
Ole didn't compare us to Leicester City, Everton and Wolves, etc. he says "we have to make sure that we are ones who chase those ahead of us.” He wants us to close gaps between City, Liverpool and us rather than closer to Everton, Leicester City and Wolves who look like they'll improve next season.
It still could've been said better. We should never be concerned by midtable team in any circumstances. I hope it was intended message for the board nonetheless.
 
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Half the thread is in meltdown over it, what are you on about? And if you read the quotes he never compared us with any of those teams.
Some people have already decided that Solskjær is the new Moyes so they're constantly looking for validation of their opinion by making shit up that wasn't actually said.
 
He’s 100% correct, we’re closer to Wolves than we are to City and we won’t be winning the league next season. Not sure if he needs to say it though, it’s been twisted in headlines to seem worse already.

The big reset needed as it was after Moyes and LVG isn’t going to happen and club isn’t even equipped to do it. It’s more of the same to come in the transfer window and next season.
 
He’s 100% correct, we’re closer to Wolves than we are to City and we won’t be winning the league next season. Not sure if he needs to say it though, it’s been twisted in headlines to seem worse already.

The big reset needed as it was after Moyes and LVG isn’t going to happen and club isn’t even equipped to do it. It’s more of the same to come in the transfer window and next season.

I was thinking the same (despite what he said being quite clearly true imo) but maybe this is the best time to realistically lay out where we are and what our expectations should be next year? As opposed to waiting until we're into the next season, at which point saying we were never going to compete will sound like more of an excuse. There's hardly much point in him pretending he doesn't have a multi-year job on his hands as artificially building up expectations would only hurt him in the long run.
 
Even those supporting Ole at this point have to accept that Woodward's current decision making is basically, "No idea if Ole has elite potential, but I am giving him the job based on his first 10 games and keeping my fingers crossed he doesn't feck up".

Is this the type of decision making that goes on in boardrooms of top clubs? Regardless of Ole's credentials, zero analysis or thought goes into player recruitment or managerial appointments.
 
Even those supporting Ole at this point have to accept that Woodward's current decision making is basically, "No idea if Ole has elite potential, but I am giving him the job based on his first 10 games and keeping my fingers crossed he doesn't feck up".

Is this the type of decision making that goes on in boardrooms of top clubs? Regardless of Ole's credentials, zero analysis or thought goes into player recruitment or managerial appointments.

No one has any idea what Woodward's thinking is.
 
Last time when our coach compared us with Leicester, there was huge meltdown here. But everything what Ole says, it is ok i guess.

On challenging the top 2 next season
It is not realistic. Of course I’m an optimist but I don’t think that’s realistic, because the two teams now at the top of the table they are far ahead of the chasing pack.

We have to make sure that we are getting closer and moving that way up the table and not looking over the shoulders because there are big clubs, good clubs wanting to chase that top six. You’ve got Leicester, Everton, Watford, probably Newcastle, you’ve got clubs that want to chase us. We have to make sure that we are ones who chase those ahead of us.


He makes the point that the primary goal is to close the gap on City/Liverpool (I agree with him) but at the same time remain aware of the threat behind us. He simply wants us to stay alert.

At no point in that statement does he draw a comparison between ourselves and Leicester. Quite the opposite, in fact, he clearly states that they are chasing us.

The statement is as generic as it gets. I don't get why you any many others have take exception to it.
 
Manager of manutd conceding the title a season early, saying we cant make up 25 points when liverpool did it just this season.
Probably worse than anything any previous post fergie manager has said . He talks about standards and lowers them himself .
 
Manager of manutd conceding the title a season early, saying we cant make up 25 points when liverpool did it just this season.
Probably worse than anything any previous post fergie manager has said . He talks about standards and lowers them himself .
Do you think we are at the same level as Liverpool were last season?
 
On challenging the top 2 next season
It is not realistic. Of course I’m an optimist but I don’t think that’s realistic, because the two teams now at the top of the table they are far ahead of the chasing pack.

We have to make sure that we are getting closer and moving that way up the table and not looking over the shoulders because there are big clubs, good clubs wanting to chase that top six. You’ve got Leicester, Everton, Watford, probably Newcastle, you’ve got clubs that want to chase us. We have to make sure that we are ones who chase those ahead of us.


He makes the point that the primary goal is to close the gap on City/Liverpool (I agree with him) but at the same time remain aware of the threat behind us. He simply wants us to stay alert.

At no point in that statement does he draw a comparison between ourselves and Leicester. Quite the opposite, in fact, he clearly states that they are chasing us.

The statement is as generic as it gets. I don't get why you any many others have take exception to it.

It is quite similar to Mourinho's comment about Everton having similar ambitions to us. If you don't take offense to this, you should accept Mourinho was right as well (factually, Everton spent more than us).

We do happen to find these managers who always seem to recognize our midtable status. It's partly due to their own incompetence and partly due to the fact that this group of players are utterly useless regardless of manager and many of them wouldn't look out of place in relegation threatened teams. Heck, I doubt Young would start for Burnley or Palace.
 
Besides Moyes, every manager post-Fergie has come into United souding optimistic only to quickly change their tune. At some point us fans are going to have to recognise that may be because of the squad not because they're bad coaches. Van Gaal had issues, Mourinho had issues and its possible that Ole will prove to have issues too. However, the common denominator here is not the manager.

Some people, bizarrely, want Ole out. They think that another manager will suddenly change everything. People need to wake up. Even if we brought Sir Alex Ferguson back he'd have to clear out this dressing room, re-establish the manager's authority and hope he wasn't undermined by senior management to right the ship.

You put Pep Guardiola in charge of this squad and it still struggles to qualify for the Champions League. Lukuaku isn't going to develop the touch and balance of Kun Aguero just because we change the manager.
 
Manager of manutd conceding the title a season early, saying we cant make up 25 points when liverpool did it just this season.
Probably worse than anything any previous post fergie manager has said . He talks about standards and lowers them himself .

Liverpool did do it this season, after several years of a rebuild over which they a) already brought in key players like Salah, Firmino, Mane, VVD, Robertson, Wijnaldum, etc. b) already instilled a defined system of play and c) already built to the point where they were able to reach the CL final.

We're not even close to being in that position right now.
 
He’s got to drop DDG. Imagine the uproar if we officially lose top 4 by failing to beat huddersfield tonight. Idgaf if Grant has to play or whatever. Feck even play Fojticek if necessary. Embarrassed? Play better. Want to leave? Leave. Form now is not good enough anyway.

Btw, of course ill be supporting him tonight and until the day he leaves and even after if he can recover his form. I don’t hate him even though I’ve been critical of him.
 
If you take time to actually think before coming off with guff - saying we're unlikely to finish in the top two and we need to be careful we don't slide back even further, is not lowering expectations - it's a fecking reality check for the club (those with the purse strings this summer), supporters and primarily, the players that remain.

There is a MAJOR difference between what Ole is saying now and what Moyes was saying with a team that just won the PL title. Think it over.

Here's a hint:
2017/18 - 2nd
2016/17 - 6th
2015/16 - 5th
2014/15 - 4th
2013/14 - 7th
2012/13 - 1st

Why o why, would he suggest finishing 2nd in his first full season is not realistic? I mean we did finish 2nd last season I guess if you ignore the reason why he's came into the club in the first place but it's not our average performance over a league season. That doesn't mean it can't happen, he's saying it's unlikely and he's 100% right to say it right now.

Make no mistake about it - if we're sitting fecking 8th at Christmas, I'll be the first to say he needs to go. I just don't see where these lofty expectations are coming from when we've made 0 signings, still have no DoF and a pre-season to see if we can get the players up to scratch fitness wise. My personal believe is that United should be finishing in the top three each year based on their resources but that's also assuming the club is being run well from top to bottom. That's not the situation right now.
 
Ole didn't compare us to Leicester City, Everton and Wolves, etc. he says "we have to make sure that we are ones who chase those ahead of us.” He wants us to close gaps between City, Liverpool and us rather than closer to Everton, Leicester City and Wolves who look like they'll improve next season.
Jose after( or before) Leicester game said that Leicester invested more than us and was attacked here because of it.
Ole now put some clubs out top6 in same sentence with us. And basically conceded title.
Both managers said that we need to close gap with best teams. But Jose was disgrace and Ole was right. How?
 
Do you think we are at the same level as Liverpool were last season?
We have a better squad before they added vvd allison etc. we finished ahead if them remember ?
Also it does not matter if we do or not, no manager at man utd should concede the title when next season hasnt even begun. Did fergie ever concede it in 2005/06 ? When we had our poorest team under him and chelsea were buying everyone ?
 
Ole didn't compare us to Leicester City, Everton and Wolves, etc. he says "we have to make sure that we are ones who chase those ahead of us.” He wants us to close gaps between City, Liverpool and us rather than closer to Everton, Leicester City and Wolves who look like they'll improve next season.

Don't bother. Everyone prefers to read the headline or a quote out of context and go crazy.
 
We have a better squad before they added vvd allison etc. we finished ahead if them remember ?
Also it does not matter if we do or not, no manager at man utd should concede the title when next season hasnt even begun. Did fergie ever concede it in 2005/06 ? When we had our poorest team under him and chelsea were buying everyone ?

We finished 2nd in 2005/06? We're going to finish 4th at best and 6th at worst this time. How on earth is that comparable?
 
I fecking hate this forum at times. Reporter misrepresents quotes to make a fetching headline, and time and time again it causes the lemmings to collectively run off a cliff.

Ole’s quotes are fine, they’re looking to fend off complacency, not to make top 6 sound sufficient.
 
He’s got to drop DDG. Imagine the uproar if we officially lose top 4 by failing to beat huddersfield tonight. Idgaf if Grant has to play or whatever. Feck even play Fojticek if necessary. Embarrassed? Play better. Want to leave? Leave. Form now is not good enough anyway.

Btw, of course ill be supporting him tonight and until the day he leaves and even after if he can recover his form. I don’t hate him even though I’ve been critical of him.
Imagine the uproar if he plays Grant ahead of De Gea, and the former makes a mistake for us to drop points.
 
The people who complain about what the manager says in a press conference, while knowing full well they'd lose their shit if he said the opposite and those that complain about line-up's before kick off have a special place in hell reserved for them.
In hell? Wow.
 
Lowering expectations. That tells me we won't be making many signings in the summer.

What's the issue with his quotes?

I read it as in get your act together or we will fall further behind cause the likes of Everton, Wolves and Newcastle want top 4 as well as us.

Rewind 6 years and if folks said we'd miss out on CL 3 times in 6 seasons you'd of been absolutely slaughtered, absolutely no reason why we can't fall further still.

So he's saying to the board, back me and lets change things quickly.
 
Stupid statement from Ole purely because he must know the reaction to previous statements of that kind. Not a great pitch to players we're trying to sign is it.

Not surprising to see some make excuses for it, they've already decided everything and anything should be excused even if they've previously slated the same behaviour.
 
Ole: we have a really talented squad of players
RedCafe: all our players are shite what you on about? Just a Woody yes man cheapo option.
Ole: the rebuild will take time, we need to improve and challenge the top 4 not fall out the top 6
RedCafe: just Moyes mk2, won't last long here.

Some people are already against Ole, so anything he does or says (or doesn't say but the sky headline says he's said) will be wrong.
 
It is quite similar to Mourinho's comment about Everton having similar ambitions to us. If you don't take offense to this, you should accept Mourinho was right as well (factually, Everton spent more than us).

We do happen to find these managers who always seem to recognize our midtable status. It's partly due to their own incompetence and partly due to the fact that this group of players are utterly useless regardless of manager and many of them wouldn't look out of place in relegation threatened teams. Heck, I doubt Young would start for Burnley or Palace.

That's not how I interpreted it all.

For me, he is simply pointing out that we are chasing the top 2 and the likes of Wolves, Leicester, Everton and other EL standard teams are chasing us. I don't think he is wrong.

It could also be an indirect message to the board, either back me this summer or run the risk of falling further behind Liverpool/City and at the same time allow those chasing us to close the gap.
 
I think OGS is just being honest. And making a point to the board. A quick fix is not going to happen, do you guys really think it is?

The Fergie glory years are over. People better get used to it, dig in and prepare for some leaner years.

It’s easy for me as I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s. Some fans have known nothing but success and to be honest are way too entitled.

The truth is flameproof

Cuddles
 
We have a better squad before they added vvd allison etc. we finished ahead if them remember ?
Also it does not matter if we do or not, no manager at man utd should concede the title when next season hasnt even begun. Did fergie ever concede it in 2005/06 ? When we had our poorest team under him and chelsea were buying everyone ?
I think that second place was massively misleading (using xG from understat a "fair" performance would have been 17 points behind Liverpool). I don't see it as conceding the title, he's just stating the obvious - but that doesn't mean ruling out any chance of winning it, just that it's not a realistic expectation.
 
What's the issue with his quotes?

I read it as in get your act together or we will fall further behind cause the likes of Everton, Wolves and Newcastle want top 4 as well as us.

Rewind 6 years and if folks said we'd miss out on CL 3 times in 6 seasons you'd of been absolutely slaughtered, absolutely no reason why we can't fall further still.

So he's saying to the board, back me and lets change things quickly.
Would you have that same reaction if Moyes said it? Of course not.
 
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