Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Nothing new. Man management is his biggest strength. Probably one of the best in the leagues.
Matchweek 19 (when Lampard was sacked) you lot were 11 points behind us at 1st and just 5 points away from top 4 so i have no idea where you get that number from. I simply said no CL football would have been a disaster season for Chelsea, which i stand by. No doubt a job well done by Tuchel, but Lampard having you lot at 9th was severely under performing with that squad
And Pep did feck up in the CL final. Playing Foden as a CM and moving De Bruyne up as some sort of false nine backfired badly. No doubt a good setup by Tuchel as well, but Pep's tinkering cost him as City were pretty heavy favorites going into the game
Never understood what going to a game has to do with football knowledge
I am actually very, very surprised reading through this thread. The opposite views, the harsh tone etc. Ole ain’t perfect that’s for sure, but the negativity from some of here towards him is very strange.
We are now at the most exciting point in years, brilliant signings, youth coming through and a real togetherness in the squad and club. Everyone are pulling in the same direction and working towards making us competitive again.
After Ole took over the reigns we have clearly improved both on and off the pitch. The signing of Ronaldo just adds to the pressure improving more and finally winning a trophy.
There is some viable criticism of Ole. I don’t always agree with his in game tactics and sometimes also doubt how he sets the team up. That being said his positives far outweigh the negatives. For the first time in ages I am really excited before games and can’t wait for the next game.
Ole has done a top job so far. His transfers this season has added pressure winning something and we really should challenge. That being said a poor performance against Wolves away is no reason loosing it. I remember plenty of these performances under SAF, we did grind a lot of results under his leadership also and people seem to have forgotten. The main criticism against Ferguson back in the days was identical to what Ole gets now. Not good enough tactically etc. I predict this team only getting better through this season, it’s gonna be a great ride.
We are now at the most exciting point in years, brilliant signings, youth coming through and a real togetherness in the squad and club. Everyone are pulling in the same direction and working towards making us competitive again.
After Ole took over the reigns we have clearly improved both on and off the pitch. The signing of Ronaldo just adds to the pressure improving more and finally winning a trophy.
There is some viable criticism of Ole. I don’t always agree with his in game tactics and sometimes also doubt how he sets the team up. That being said his positives far outweigh the negatives. For the first time in ages I am really excited before games and can’t wait for the next game.
Ole has done a top job so far. His transfers this season has added pressure winning something and we really should challenge. That being said a poor performance against Wolves away is no reason loosing it. I remember plenty of these performances under SAF, we did grind a lot of results under his leadership also and people seem to have forgotten. The main criticism against Ferguson back in the days was identical to what Ole gets now. Not good enough tactically etc. I predict this team only getting better through this season, it’s gonna be a great ride.
They're the life blood of the club and the people with the closest connection to the team. Especially the lads who go week in week out away from home. They embody the passion and the love of the club that we should all emulate.
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Just saying that pointing to an ECL like that would also mean that a lot of top managers fall short of Di Matteo’s haul.
Not making a comparison between him and Tuchel, just saying that people that barge in claiming these hard facts tell the whole tale are simplistic in their reasoning.
Let's be real here. Those wishing to replace Ole now is a total joke and doesn't make sense.
What has that got to do with football knowledge?
Most of the lads I know who are at matches are wasted the whole time so are barely even focusing on the tactical aspects of the game
You can see the game pan out more, focus on certain players, shape movement etc. On TV, you just get what the camera shows.
It generally has nothing to do with it.
I've met plenty of match going fans who clearly don't know much about football beyond shouting cliches and "singing" (usually whilst influenced by alcohol to varying degrees).
But then again, the most intolerable, arrogant and fundamentally idiotic "fans" I've ever discussed United with have all been people who never set foot within Old Trafford.
Well, try reasoned responses, instead of coming across like you're constantly having a breakdown because people don't rate Ole. You really shouldn't be taking it personally, and as I said, if you post in hyperbole, expect the responses to be hyperbolic.
Imagine being a supporter of a football club, after 3 consecutive years of improvement, at the very start of a new season, with arguably the most positive and sharp looking squad in ages, after a summer of blistering transfers, opening with 2 wins and 1 draw, and just fecking being miserable and spewing shite. Just imagine.
At some point I would have thought that these posters would settle down with the fact that their constant whining and non stop attacks at our manager wont get him fired any sooner. But no, there is no joy in their world when it comes to football anymore.
You just know at this point these people are hoping they are right, and that this season ends up without a trophy.
Incredible.
At some point I would have thought that these posters would settle down with the fact that their constant whining and non stop attacks at our manager wont get him fired any sooner. But no, there is no joy in their world when it comes to football anymore.
You just know at this point these people are hoping they are right, and that this season ends up without a trophy.
Incredible.
You can see all of that from TV. Thats is why when the players and coaching are rewatching matches they watch. From TV angles not from crowd angles.
Yeah, he has been going forward a bit in some games, to me it looks like we are trying to interchange our front 4 often in-game to confuse defenders and create openings for some magic throughballs from Pogba (and Bruno) especially. But Bruno probably seemed even more like a striker in this last game, due to the gameplan I mentioned above.
I was being kinda sarcastic, I agree that it's not a good enough stick to beat Tuchel with (WBA were strong against most top 6 teams last season). But it's the same kind of reasoning I see used against Ole, they call Soto/Wolves bottomfeeder clubs and that Ole should be getting convincing results in all those games. I was also slightly sarcastic about Tuchel "bottling it" by losing against Villa on the final day. Those kinds of results happen throughout a season, but it's the consistency at the end which shows how much those results mattered or not.
Uh, plenty of cries of PE teacher, fraud, clueless, etc. in recent days. Acting like they’re not there is weird.
Players and staff will watch it from all angles yeah. Plus they'll have their own footage recorded. Sky aren't showing all that are they.
He was called worse than arteta just yesterday.
The thread is unnecessarily harsh, which motivates me to take a softer view. I certainly agree with what you’ve said. Perhaps we need a new assistant coach who can handle tactics while Ole does the rest. I don’t see any reason why that can’t work.
But maybe all we need is for Ole to give up on this idea of so many players being high up and leaving a single midfielder so often when a midfielder has to drop deep to get the ball from the press. Surely Bruno and Paul can do quick interchanges to play through midfield.
I'm genuinely asking whether you genuinely think Brighton play more entertaining football than us
Well said.
They are not showing angles from the crowd. That's the point. There's nothing something someone in the crowd is seeing that someone on TV can't see.
Indeed.
There is a segment on here who absolutely detest Ole - or, to be diplomatical (more so than some of these posters deserve): they detest the idea that he is (still) our manager.
This is beyond debate for me - we've seen more than enough evidence of this being the case.
It's about relevance of opinion as well. In order of relevance:
1) Match attending fans
2) Local fans not attending games
3) Non-local fans
4) Foreign fans
Obviously, the mood in the stadium is more important than the mood on twitter or the caf. Also, a football club is an integral part of any local community, so again, the opinions of locals carry more weight. That is how it is, and how it should be.
That's another whole level tbhHe was called worse than arteta just yesterday.
For me the silverwares are not that important, as long as the football is entertaining enough and we keep improving it's fine for me. What a time to be an United fan after what we had to go through with Moyes, LVG and especially Mourinho.
I've no idea if Ole is the right guy to bring us back to our glorious days, actually I think no one know for sure but I do thank him a lot for the positiveness and what he has done for us so far. And all United fans should feel the same I think.
The best in the league, easily. Better than Guardiola because when you're not needed that man drops you.
Or they live close by and it's a nice way to spend a Saturday
As a foreign fan I strongly disagree with this. Being a local fan does not ensure your football knowledge at all. Also the opinion. What matter here is what's right not who is the guy nor where he came from. This is a very stupid and entitled view imo.
He was called worse than arteta just yesterday.
That's just beyond harsh. At least PE teachers serve a purpose ffs!
Ok, maybe I just over-read these kind of responses as not noteworthy due to their standpoint often pretty superficial and the nature of the posts often emotional. Same way I try to overread the most enthusiastic celebrations.
I would argue, that it is mostly the same few people who are the ones with the most harsh reactions, all your "reasoning" didn't change them so will there be a point when you just ignore them? I mean, it isn't like "they are taking over" just because you are "fighting the good fight to keep the powers of evil in check". They aren't taking over because some of their standpoints are relatively unreasonable.
Arteta spent around 145m this window and they have 0 points, scored 0 goals. If Ole is a PE teacher then Arteta is a PE teacher's bottle carrier.He was called worse than arteta just yesterday.
Of course they do.
Some people will call this a laughable notion ("we all want what's best for United") - but it's obviously true.
That's the nature of the thing (call it modern fandom or whatever you will) - it absolutely happens.
However, I think (hope) that posters who belong in this category amount to a small minority on here. It's usually a minority that tends to be extremely vocal, though.
This "even SAF" argument needs to die.
Times have changed, some of the campaigns SAF had wouldnt win the title now. I trust he'd be able to adapt and go head to head with City, Liverpool. But stop trying to justify Ole's poor point totals and performances by "even under SAF..", that isnt the standard now anymore. More is needed.
Times have changed, some of the campaigns SAF had wouldnt win the title now. I trust he'd be able to adapt and go head to head with City, Liverpool. But stop trying to justify Ole's poor point totals and performances by "even under SAF..", that isnt the standard now anymore. More is needed.
Well tbh, it makes little sense to only include this season's transfer window and not previous onee, account for wages.
Ole has finished much better that Arteta, Arteta has actually won trophies.
I'm not talking about football knowledge, but about relevance of opinion. Obviously, the opinions of people who are part of the community and the stadium mood are more important. "Entitlement" would be having no geographical connection to Manchester, and still demand that one's opinions carry the same clout as those who live and breathe Manchester and Manchester United every day of their lives.
Silverware is important but I wouldn't be happy if our club finishes 8th and wins a FA cup or league cup or even both. People may say Arteta won the FA cup but any arsenal fan would prefer to be in our position than theirs.That's another whole level tbh
For me the silverwares are not that important, as long as the football is entertaining enough and we keep improving it's fine for me. What a time to be an United fan after what we had to go through with Moyes, LVG and especially Mourinho.
I've no idea if Ole is the right guy to bring us back to our glorious days, actually I think no one know for sure but I do thank him a lot for the positiveness and what he has done for us so far. And all United fans should feel the same I think.
People just want some tippy tappy in the final third, feck man management.
May be wrong but I find some Ole outs here to be far more miserable than the extreme Ole ins. Like I have not seen Ole defenders call him better than Klopp.
So would you have preferred us to win the FA cup and finish 8th. Does winning a trophy like that even have any worth?
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