Yeh, 1 is factual and the other is very very subjective.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Yeh, 1 is factual and the other is very very subjective.
Results ultimately matter more, though.
Also, our performances aren't bad overall. We have a lot of high scoring games and our comeback-ability shows mental fortitude. Things could be more elegant, but our central midfield is at least partly to blame for this. Fred and McTominay are good squad players, but they are not gonna create a smooth connection between our attack and defence.
Wolves were called shit numerous times yesterday. You keep saying "no one has said that" and then ignore the posts that prove otherwise. I think what you actually mean is "I haven't seen anyone say that when i've been online".
I think the win was excellent. But we also won a fair few games like this last season too even if we drew loads too.
My concern is that performance might be a recurring type of performance where it just seems we completely bypass the midfield and let the team take control of the game.
I don't think signing Rice or someone solves the deeper issues with the team.
That wasn't what I was addressing though. You said people want us to destroy every team we face. You know that's not true.
Good try, but I said he was a terrible coach. I actually think he's quite a good manager.
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Ultimately, nobody will give a shit if we win the CL or PL despite playing fairly poorly. But I do agree, our performances need to improve this season, if nothing else I want to see more clean sheets this year and be more solid at the back as that will help our team significantly when they are playing poorly as we have the players in the team to get a goal even when their mates are having a mare.
It was more like we were lucky. If that game was played ten more times with thesame chances Wolves created, they would win comfortably.
It's always nice to be the glass half filled kind of guy as life cannot be all that negative, but equally important to be objective.
Well obviously not every team. But people do expect us to trounce the so called 'easier' teams. Hence why they then bring up the old "Our rival smashed these guys" posts. Which happened a lot last season.
Are you going to accept that people did call Ole average yesterday?
People on this forum have called Ole plenty of things. I won't dispute that point.
What about the Southampton game?
It was pretty much a default setup whenever Pogba and Fred had the ball in second half. It wasn't a one off.
We replaced two wingers (under-performing) with two out-and-out, not match fit strikers. It made it even more difficult for already struggling midfield, and didn't result in us creating more quality chances.
Two games in a row opponent teams use structure that nullifies our build up/attacking game.
Disaster season? Are you forgetting that Tuchel took over in January with Chelsea 20 points behind City. Pretty sure on points won since he took over Chelsea are near top.
I was very skeptical when he took over but performances and results have been undeniably superb. It’s bizarre to say he was a couple of games away from total disaster.
And does he not get credit for beating both Madrid sides and City in the CL run? No it was all down to Pep tinkering I suppose. Ffs
Broadly right but footballers generally say he is a good coach, but obviously that isn't good enough for Man Utd. However, obviously he is a manager so his personal level of coaching isn't as important as it is for Phelan, Mckenna, Carrick, Ramsay, Fletcher and all the other supporting team.
He is in charge of setting out the vision for the side, staffing and managing the game.
We were lucky yesterday but the opposite could be said for the Southampton game where we had plenty of chances to win the game.
There is no credit given to any opposition outside the top 4 on here that they might give us a tough game. Home advantage is another thing that is completely ignored.
I'll turn that around and say that we defended well and deserved the luck. I'll be surprised if they don't take points off any of our rivals this season, they look a good side.
Don't agree. It's his job as manager to get us in a position where we are winning silverware. If he isn't good enough as a head coach, if he can't identify what the problems are with his staff and/or the coaching, he's still failed.
I see that people since yesterday found a new excuse to defend our horrendous performance against relegation candidates that bullied us yesterday and last week. The excuse is one player in Fred. No team in the league has complete squad. City play without a CF. Liverpool has no depth, Chelsea has mediocre defenders and no CF and still won the CL.
The manager must deliver the league this year with world class quality squad we have now. Otherwise he should be catapulted out of the club at the end of the season.
winning trophies is the end product of what I just said...
Yes, he needs to show he can compete this year. He's gotten a lot of what he wanted so no excuses now.
Some people will always overreact. It doesn't make sense to over-react to fight that because it will just spiral even more. The most notorious critics won't stop but the majority on here ain't like that.
"Simple" football thrashes again
These are from after the Leeds match, they could be seen as a bit over the top, wouldn't you agree? It is part of fan-hood I guess, people want to express their feelings and a forum lives from it.
(@ the quoted guys, in no world would I want to criticize your reactions! They are merely used to show that feelings are part of life of a fan. And some people react more emotional than others which is great as it makes communities exciting)
No we didn't. Check Martial's heat map and you will see where he played, he came on as a LW and played as one. It was pure left wing.
Also 4 strikers wasn't default position, we tried it few times. There are so many instances with Bruno deeper, Martial completely wide stretching game, Greenwood near RW byline.
We literally won that result 5-1 against our local rivals...
People have been complaining about the midfield for years. It absolutely did not start recently
Also, the problem isn't just one player. Pogba also becomes a problem when he plays next to one of Fred or McTominay.
We don't need both of our CMs to be top class. But at least one of them should be. The best example of this is prime Carrick and how he carried the likes of Cleverley, Anderson and Jones.
We hammered a good Leeds team 5-1. If we had lost to Wolves yesterday after that performance then it would've been fair to call that game a disaster but we actually won.
They all seem like sane and logical responses to an incredible result.
It's just the way things have become I guess.
A draw or a loss is always a disaster, even if we were the better team. Seeing as even title winners typically lose/draw almost 1 in 3 games, we're doomed from the start in here. If shaky/unconvincing victories(which champions will have a lot of) also become whine-worthy, then we're quickly approaching 50% of games causing a meltdown in here. And that is almost a best-case-scenario
Was this what you were referring to @RedSky? Apologies if I have the wrong person, was just skimming through the thread.
Ole bought VdB and Amad for £80 million combined - doesn't play the former and is loaning the latter. We could've used that money far more effectively.
If we want to win the league we need to improve in these types of games and play better. We can't get lucky over 38 games to beat City, Chelsea and Liverpool.
But that has made me go and look at Pogbas touches on Whoscored chalkboard. Who spent a lot of the match on the right side of the pitch. Leaving Fred to marshal the middle and left side by himself. If you looked at Pogbas touches you'd think he was playing as part of a midfield three. It's a bit strange. I assume we shifted Pogba more to that side to help double up on Traore after the opening 5minute battering he gave us. @rotherham_red
Compare the summer of 2019, 2020 and 2021. 2020 sticks out like a sore thumb. Not a single sure starter signed!
Looking at how good 2019 and 2021 were in comparison, I'm not convinced that the 2020 window was Solskjær's doing. At the very least the players weren't his first choices. If I'm not mistaken, 3 out of the 5 players we signed got finalised on the last day. It reeked of desperation.
What exactly made this Leeds team good? They have been good last season due to relentless pressing and quick transitional play but nothing has been seen in our match against them. They were without one of their most instrumental players. They were hilariously passive so our midfielders and attackers had way more time on the ball than usual. We created 5 goals from an xg of 1.5! Which shows how great all finishes were but it also shows that we didn't batter them with high quality chances.
Nobody denies it was a great result and also a great performance and of course people are supposed to be happy about it but how is that different to people being allowed to be pissed about a somewhat shitty performance like yesterday? Which, and I have to emphasize it, had a lot of similarities to performances from last year which cost us potential trophies.
I am sure they do to you. But that's on of the root causes of this dilemma: you seem to consider everything, that doesn't comply with your view as unsane and illogical.
Also I don't know why this image is used as stick to beat the team/manager or whoever. We can't always build the game with tippy tappy passing. We have created good opportunity with 4 players occupying the space between 5 defenders and CB is trying to play the pass over the defense, taking our entire Wolves team.
It was just one moment, some twitter guy posted it and somehow it became fact that we played 4-2-4.
Well he won them the CL which is more than any post SAF manager has done for us. Arteta won the FA Cup which is the FA Cup and not very meaningful these days. The CL is the biggest prize in club football.
And then there's the fact that Chelsea have improved so much to anyone with a working pair of eyes who watches them when they're on the TV. Reminds me of Klopp at Liverpool when they were the ones making all the progress but many couldn't see it. Whether Tuchel is good enough to actually win a league against Klopp and Pep remains to be seen. However based on his time there, his impact has been transformational with them winning the CL and looking like contenders this year (let's see if they actually do, don't rate them as highly as others). We have had Ole for three years and I still can't th imprint of a top coach (already visible at Chelsea).
The issue that this clipped is displaying is not an exception but a very common theme. We try to play as fast and as direct vertical passes as possible. Which, if they don't come off create comments like "Bruno wasn't great he tried to many hollywood passes". This is our plan A and it works good against teams that have a go at us. But some teams don't do that so we struggle and after all this time, one could expect that we have more than just this arrow in the quiver.
Yes we play vertical passes and that's something Ole himself said. He wants his team to play quick forward passes, take risks and when they lose the ball, win it back. So we play as Ole wants the team to play.
Also we are inconsistent team, we don't struggle against team that sit deep, we struggle for consistency in our play. You can see posts saying "we struggle against defensive teams" and then you will also see "We struggle against teams that press us" "We struggle against top team". We struggle against every type of team and we also beat every type of team. We are not consistent.
4 attackers is not a common theme, it happened once or maybe couple more times.
I don't know. Chelsea sacked lampard and won the champions league.
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