Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Wumminator said:
No. That’s not what you said.

you said well coached teams don’t go from bad to good in consecutive games.

so, based on that, which team hasn’t been bad this year so I know who is a well coached team?
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Tuchel's Chelsea is very consistent in their play, always creating chances and not letting other teams create much against them. It should also be quite a big sign to Ole's fans here, the transformation from Lampard's football to Tuchel's is insane with basically the exact same squad.
And then you have the obvious ones in Liverpool and City. City are still very good and consistent side especially having in mind they have no striker really and will easily win 85+ points yet again this season.
 
golden_blunder said:
Time is running out?

have you read or watched any of wolves this season? Before today they’d created 40 odd chances in 2 matches and scored 1. It’s a new pattern for them
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They haven't scored in the 3 games.

Just on the top of my mind they had the chance that AWB cleared, one from Moutinho and one from Trincao. They were clearly the better team.
 
We're clueless. We want to play out the back, but our entire back line isn't good at playing out the back. He bought 3 of them for 150m! Our midfielders with the exception of Pogba lack the technical ability to make the build up easy. Fred and McTominay aren't exactly Pirlo.

Ole has gotten everything, I refuse to believe other quality managers can't do better with this set of players. Good signings, but I'm absolutely positive now that Ole isn't the man to get us trophies. We should be in for Zidane, but we'll probably sleep on him and get an inferior manager after the summer (or remain dry with Ole because he got top 4)
 
Ole's screen said:
I mean you can reasonably disagree where Ole will be in the future. But it's fact that he's achieved more in 2 years than SAF did in his first 5.
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Yeah except that's like throwing context out of the window completely. You can say this bollocks about LVG as well, and it'll sound true on paper.
 
I just dont know with ole. The tactics are what?, the lack of coaching for the players, well i assume its the coaching becasue i just cant get my head around how that much talent can play as bad as that, and over many games over a season.
Then you look at his 'stats' as a manager, and they are up there with the best in the league.

I think the fact that we have individual match winners, its papering over the cracks big time.
 
Bobcat said:
City who lost to fecking Spurs and Liverpool who needed a pen and a red card to get a draw at home?

Just to give some context, Spurs who now sit on the top of the league with 9 points got absolutely battered by Wolves (as we did) with 25 shots to 8, yet Wolves are at 0 points. This early in the season, no one is really match fit and considering we had a international tournament this summer, loads of players, including some key ones for us, have not been training for very long

If we look as shite after the international break, then i'd be worried, but this is not a reason to be. Despite what the table says, Wolves might have been the inform team so far in the season and we just beat them away.
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You’ve absolutely nailed it.
The way to argue with some of these nutters is just to:

a) compare us to other teams
b) remind them of where we were and where am we are.

There are some people here who will argue for days that Ole doesn’t do anything tactically, despite us breaking a PL record for an unbeaten away run.

they are the same people who say Ole can’t manage a game despite us having a record number of comeback wins and late goals.

The same people who will say Ole is much worse than Klopp despite him beating him in the league last season.

And the people who see trophies as the ONLY proof of progress, despite our squad and position when Ole took over.
 
Sandikan said:
You can't always get the players in the order you want.

We haven't had a right winger for about a decade, so a young wonderkid English winger we've been after for 2 years made great sense.
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I wonder if we would still have done the same if the Ronaldo deal happened first.
 
As a man manager, Solskjaer clearly has the affection of the players and has dispelled the cloud of negativity that had descended upon the club during Mourinho's tenure. Ole has done the job he was brought in to do.

However, I think he's taken the club as far as he can. Our passing and build up play is simply not good enough for a top side and that's going to prevent us winning the big trophies. Chelsea have shown what you can achieve if you can take the tough decision of swapping a club legend for a top class coach. We will need to do the same, if we want to take the next step.
 
He is not good enough, doesnt matter what anybody says.
He is out of his depth and we look like one of the worst coached team pound for pound.
 
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Need to sort out Bruno's position. We can't play with 4 attackers in one line. That's a suicide if you have Pogba as your midfield 2
 
Ole is a lovely person but damn he's on the right side of luck more often than not.

His in game management is virtually non-existent and yet he finds a way to get a result.

Now he has been given Ronaldo to bail him out in the future.

Who says nice things don't happen to good people ? :)
 
It seems like people forget that either at the start or midway the season that Ole's team can seem heavily out of form- once it gets in to a rhythm they go on a winning spree.
 
dove said:
Tuchel's Chelsea is very consistent in their play, always creating chances and not letting other teams create much against them. It should also be quite a big sign to Ole's fans here, the transformation from Lampard's football to Tuchel's is insane with basically the exact same squad.
And then you have the obvious ones in Liverpool and City. City are still very good and consistent side especially having in mind they have no striker really and will easily win 85+ points yet again this season.
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Chelsea have drawn half of their games this season.
Man City looked poor v Tottenham and lost in the Charity Sheild.
 
Leftback99 said:
I wonder if we would still have done the same if the Ronaldo deal happened first.
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No reason why the 2 should have any relation to each other.

It would have been a little worrying if we'd put off a potential 10 year stay signing for a last Ronaldo burst.
 
bosnian_red said:
Tbf we didn't score from a chance but from a goalkeeper howler. We were better in the 2nd half than the 1st but they still created the better chances in the 2nd. The 1st we all decided to run forward and people forgot that Adama traore is one of the best dribblers in the world I guess? But it still wasn't good, and it still wasn't any sort of team play in the 2nd. It was all pure individualism, and when we were still looking open on the break, we kept throwing on more strikers to grind out a goal. We got the goal but like... it wasn't through a collective team pressure where we kept attacking. It was a goalkeeping mistake!

I was honestly much happier with the Southampton game than this one. Against Southampton we controlled the game but we're a bit toothless, but they also created feck all apart from us shooting ourselves in the foot with a misplaced pass. It wasn't bad coaching, it was just collective sloppiness but we still had more chances, better chances, and didn't give up anything through their own play. Today we created way fewer chances, got bullied all over the pitch, were saved by a Wan Bissaka goal line clearance, De Gea wonder save, Varane being a world class center back (encouraging point), and then a goalkeeper howler.
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Yep. I agree with all of that. I think that is a fair assessment.
If the quality of the posts was this good, no one would mind if you want to criticise Ole. It’s just the unrealistic expectations coupled with an obvious lack of understanding and context that annoys people.
 
Infra-red said:
As a man manager, Solskjaer clearly has the affection of the players and has dispelled the cloud of negativity that had descended upon the club during Mourinho's tenure. Ole has done the job he was brought in to do.

However, I think he's taken the club as far as he can. Our passing and build up play is simply not good enough for a top side and that's going to prevent us winning the big trophies. Chelsea have shown what you can achieve if you can take the tough decision of swapping a club legend for a top class coach. We will need to do the same, if we want to take the next step.
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Sadly, this is how I am beginning to feel as well. He has raised our floor by quite a bit, while at the same time limiting our ceiling. The stability he brought to the club was desperately needed, but it feels like it is time to take a swing on the managerial side of things or we risk being an "almost" team.
 
Lentwood said:
I feel Ole has a big decision to make. Do we continue with the double-pivot or do we try and find a way of working Fernandes and Pogba into the team in central areas?

Personally, I don't think we can play an AM like Fernandes plus a "drifter" like Pogba, in central areas with just one "traditional" CM.

Sure, there ARE undoubtedly CMs who could play the role far better than Fred, but it still doesn't change the fact that many teams will set-up to counter us and they will have overloads time and time again if we only go with the one true midfielder.

The obvious issue then is, who do we leave out every week?
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He is more like a forward mate, the guy does nothing in midfield and we dont have any other midfielder apart from Pogba to create from the middle of the pack.
We are basically playing 442.
 
At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself this: if this club had Guardiola, Klopp, Zidane as a manager, etc, you'd be sure this team would be challenging for the league or even outright winning it. With Ole we'd be lucky to get top 4 at this rate. Our team looks disjointed, players look clueless, there are no visible tactics or style of play, every game relies on individual brilliance. We can't have Bruno carry us forever, he is not an AI machine. We have a world class team, ffs. Yeah, the midfield is lacking, but you'd be seldom to find a team with perfect players in every single position. Yet we look disgustingly poor and inept in almost every game. Even in the ones we win it's either Bruno, Cavani or Pogba having a miracle performance to carry us. Midtable teams are bossing us like there is no tomorrow. If I was an outsider watching this game, I'd have thought United were the plucky underdogs... Jesus.

So I ask Ole-inners, do you really want to keep this charade? Do you really believe this guy is going to take us to the top? Because it's never gonna happen. He did well at the transfer window, I'll be the first one to say it - most of his signings are very good. But in everything else, especially field play, we've been beyond poor. The coaching is appalling on all levels. And for that he has to go... or change. But the latter is incredibly unlikely. Hell, I'm sure Zidane would be all over this job.
 
His plan is literally; go on lads and play. No plan whatsoever. You can randomly pick any coach and he will do at least same job as Ole. Awful manager
 
Wumminator said:
Yep. I agree with all of that. I think that is a fair assessment.
If the quality of the posts was this good, no one would mind if you want to criticise Ole. It’s just the unrealistic expectations coupled with an obvious lack of understanding and context that annoys people.
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I feel like generally I'm one of Ole's biggest supporters on here anyway! He's done a lot of good things with his coaching, excellent eye for squad building and tends to make decent subs at good times and rarely gets swayed by playing big names out of position. Today was just off though and felt like "feck it, off day, let's shove all the attackers in and hope we score". Not really much of a plan, though it worked out I guess.
 
Lentwood said:
I feel Ole has a big decision to make. Do we continue with the double-pivot or do we try and find a way of working Fernandes and Pogba into the team in central areas?

Personally, I don't think we can play an AM like Fernandes plus a "drifter" like Pogba, in central areas with just one "traditional" CM.

Sure, there ARE undoubtedly CMs who could play the role far better than Fred, but it still doesn't change the fact that many teams will set-up to counter us and they will have overloads time and time again if we only go with the one true midfielder.

The obvious issue then is, who do we leave out every week?
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This is something he deserves to be scrutinized for thought

If he wants to play 4231, hes got Pogba, Fred, McTomminay, VdB and Matic to chose from.

Matic is past it, simple as that
VdB has show nothing and apparently Ole does not rate him either, which is just fecking absurd, considering he haw our "big transfer" last year
McTomminay is not good enough imo
Fred is a good DM, but incredibly limited on the ball (awful today though)
Pogba lacks the awareness and discipline to be a good DM. Hes got amazing vision and passing ability, but lacks the grit and workmanship to be a proper DM

All this while we got a cornucopia of attacking players

If anything, this will be his downfall. His recruitment strategy has been brilliant imo, but (dont kill me please) a Neves transfer would have helped him more than a Ronaldo transfer
 
Wumminator said:
It can be exasperating posting here sometimes.
The conversation went:
Person a: we can’t win games when we’re playing badly and expect to do well
Person b: well we can. We used to do that all the time when we were successful
You: So OLE IS AS GOOD AS FERGIE? Gotya!

that is not what he said at all is it. He’s just saying teams have these performances. At this point of the season. And actually we can be happy with a point there as it means we’ve had a strongish start to the season.
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A bit rich to complain about what wasn't said when your "Person a" comment is not what I said or implied at all.
Ole's screen said:
Not yet. But he will be. He's already done more in 2 years than Fergie did in 5.
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:lol: Nice wum
 
I just wish we played better football. The results are getting there, the team spirit is there, the squad is there, the defense is there, there's so much right with what he does but we are an absolute chore to watch in so many games and I struggle to see any sort of cohesive style of play after almost three years. I really hope that with the new players and improving match fitness that we finally start to consistently play enjoyable football.
 
why does he keep playing James. Must be so frustrating for all the young talent we have
 
Sandikan said:
No reason why the 2 should have any relation to each other.

It would have been a little worrying if we'd put off a potential 10 year stay signing for a last Ronaldo burst.
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It directly affects the potential playing time for the next two years of Greenwood, Amad and others so they are definitely related. It sounds like we'll see some movements out before the window closes though.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Need to sort out Bruno's position. We can't play with 4 attackers in one line. That's a suicide if you have Pogba as your midfield 2
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Very key point. When we have the ball our line is like

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6


That gap is the issue and it has been an issue for sometime
 
E-mal said:
He is not good enough, doesnt matter what anybody says.
He is out of his depth and we look like one of the worst coached team pound for pound.
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That’s okay. You are allowed to have that opinion. But wouldn’t it be better to stand behind him and the team?
 
Wumminator said:
Chelsea have drawn half of their games this season.
Man City looked poor v Tottenham and lost in the Charity Sheild.
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Are we seriously basing it from 2-3 games? I am talking about longer period of time. Tuchel's side is very consistent, Pep's too. We are nearly 3 years with Ole in charge but still have no idea which team will turn up on the day, either very good or just terrible. Team with our quality should never play as bad as we are at times. Next game is against Newcastle. A team that we should be beating comfortably. And we might as well do. But we might struggle just like today. Who knows. That's the problem.
 
Acquire Me said:
I believe in Ole and I see the progress. But just don’t compare Fergie and him. That is just cringeworthy.
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Fair enough. I'll hold that off until May when we win the League and CL double :devil:. I just get tired with all the arbitrary ceilings people put on Ole when he's done more than I had any hope of seeing from Manchester United for the next decade during the Mourinho shitshow.
 
dove said:
Are we seriously basing it from 2-3 games? I am talking about longer period of time. Tuchel's side is very consistent, Pep's too. We are nearly 3 years with Ole in charge but still have no idea which team will turn up on the day, either very good or just terrible. Team with our quality should never play as bad as we are at times. Next game is against Newcastle. A team that we should be beating comfortably. And we might as well do. But we might struggle just like today. Who knows. That's the problem.
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Genuine question - can someone compare how we’ve done in the league vs how Tuchel has done.
 
Are we tactically naive? Jadon has always played on the right and James has always looked better on the left, so why was it reversed today?
 
VanDeBank said:
We're clueless. We want to play out the back, but our entire back line isn't good at playing out the back. He bought 3 of them for 150m! Our midfielders with the exception of Pogba lack the technical ability to make the build up easy. Fred and McTominay aren't exactly Pirlo.

Ole has gotten everything, I refuse to believe other quality managers can't do better with this set of players. Good signings, but I'm absolutely positive now that Ole isn't the man to get us trophies. We should be in for Zidane, but we'll probably sleep on him and get an inferior manager after the summer (or remain dry with Ole because he got top 4)
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Of course you'd say that Donny, you will change your tune once you start regularly. Which means, you will never change your tune.
 
Wolves and Southampton always two blocks between our sitting midfielder and our attackers. There was nothing in between.
A team like that can't create chances or sustain attacks. It not a really that hard to see.
 
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