He's spot on in everything he said, and exposed Neville's flaws in the argument. Not that I don't see where Neville has been coming form, but literally nothing he said was off the mark in that debate. It was more true to the current situation than what Neville said.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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United's league position improved season on season under Ole. Ole's first full season I thought in game use of substitutes was terrible, but last season United were top regarding goals off the bench. There are other examples but off the top of my head these are some of the more obvious indications that Ole has improved.
I don't know, man. That lineup kind of looks like a rocket.
His consistency in league results has improved. His ability to get the best out of players in their best positions is something Lampard failed to do.
The development is clear with Ole, even with people who doubted him such as myself, I can hold my hands up and say he exceeded my expectation. But whether he can take us to the level we have to be at is yet to be seen.
Okay let’s be honest you said wingers.
Rasford - not a winger. He’s a forward
Greenwood - not a winger. He’s a forward that will eventually lead the line with time
Pogba - Call him a winger with your full chest if you want to
Sancho - winger
James - Winger
The others don’t play. So excuse me if I’m not bothered about our wingers if we switched formation with this current team. We can also play 343 though.
Im not suggesting nothing. I said we don’t need to sign anyone as I gave you one version of many first 11 selections with this squad.
Yeah I’d prefer Zidane, I’m have a discussion about this but no one seems to won’t to be real about our squad Depth
Do you disagree that under Pep, Tuchel or Klopp we would feel we can win the league?
In his two full seasons, we have finished 3rd and 2nd. That's development and probably the most important metric.
What I have problems with is why it is acceptable for Chelsea who we have finished above in the last two seasons to suddenly have higher expectations than us. Consciously or subconsciously, I think the reason for many is down the managers imo.
Imagine if Ole rotated the squad a little more.
Team A: De Gea; Wan Bissaka, Varane, Lindelof, Telles; Matic, VDB; Sancho, Pogba, James; Cavani.
Team B: Henderson; Dalot, Bailly, Maguire, Shaw; Fred, Mctominay; Greenwood, Bruno, Rashford; Martial.
Great teams, we have a lot of depth. But so does Chelsea and City. Of course we could improve our team, specially our midfield. But Chelsea also can improve, and City also can improve.
It's about getting the best out of what you have. Tuchel has done that, he arrived and maximized the players he had at his disposal and now they have a clear style, with a lot of depth.
Team A: De Gea; Wan Bissaka, Varane, Lindelof, Telles; Matic, VDB; Sancho, Pogba, James; Cavani.
Team B: Henderson; Dalot, Bailly, Maguire, Shaw; Fred, Mctominay; Greenwood, Bruno, Rashford; Martial.
Great teams, we have a lot of depth. But so does Chelsea and City. Of course we could improve our team, specially our midfield. But Chelsea also can improve, and City also can improve.
It's about getting the best out of what you have. Tuchel has done that, he arrived and maximized the players he had at his disposal and now they have a clear style, with a lot of depth.
What's Tuchel's style?
Yes, I disagree, and Carragher says this kind of shit to divert attention away from the fact no one has questioned Liverpool almost not making the top 4 last season and not even talking about them as title contenders this season.
If Klopp's so good why couldn't he mount a title challenge without one CB? If Pep's so good why does he need a whole new back line every 2 years and 2 £100m+ players to compete for the league? There's flaws in all these managers but they ultimately have better squads than we do currently, so it's easy to chuck that nonsense out there.
With Fergie at the helm, would we have won the league with Saha as our only recognisable CF? What about if our only DM was a 35 year old Carrick with Anderson playing alongside him? Of course we wouldn't but Solskjaer needs to obviously because a Scouser who hates United and likes to throw sly digs whenever possible said a bunch of other managers could, including his own...
I'd say the league improvement has far, far more to do with the personnel improving than Ole improving as a manager tbh. I definitely agree that the team has developed, but I don't see much in the way of Ole himself developing. In terms of style of play and the like are we better than we were during the interim period, for example? I'm not sure. Regarding subs, I still think that's an issue of Ole's, but I wasn't aware of that stat to be fair to him. If he continues to be more proactive with them this season I'll happily concede that point.
Can't believe we're bestowing all these gifts on such a limited, limited manager.
Rashford's best performances for us have come on the wing, not when he's up top.
You can imagine Greenwood as a 9 all you want, there's no disputing that he's been better for us on the wing as of yet. Almost all his goals scored for us have come when he played on the wing.
Pogba hasn't played centrally for us against top teams in a very long time. On paper he's taken up the winger spot, while in reality it just means we're playing with 1 winger, and an extra midfielder. Not something that's possible in 3-5-2.
Well excuse me for being concerned about Rashford's and Greenwood's future if we took your suggestion of brining in a manager who has very little room to use them in his system.
We could also play 2 goalkeepers, but Conte doesn't play 3-4-3, so it's irrelevant.
They've spent more?
If we aren't top of the goals off the bench table this year will you say he's regressed?
Yes they have but up until recently I have not heard many people saying they have a better squad. Many of the players they bought in the last 18 months don't even start.
Ole has indeed spent more than us in the same period according to Transfermarkt. Thank you very much.
Hope you aren't bringing the net spend shit . If yes, the discussion isn't worth it.
Addressed first point in my last post. Totally agree that we've developed overall, I was just questioning the poster saying that Ole himself had developed as a manager.
And yeah, we're on the same page with the rest. Was happy to see Carragher call it out in that clip with Neville.
Think he means in the time Ole has been here. It not impossible. They had a transfer ban for two windows.
Man let it rest!
These coaches you've mentioned are better than Ole and the prove is in the pudding. I'm pretty sure we would be competing with any of them and performances like sunday will be an anomaly rather than a norm.
I mean, they play with a back five, double pivot, two attacking midfielders and one striker. In every game.
This improved their ball movement in possession and width. Now they play a possession-based football with more defensive discipline. They have also implemented a man-marking style.
The wing backs have freedom to attack and drop deep and they have help either from the CBs or the attacking midfielders.
The double pivot is really disciplined, but talented going forward, no coincidence Jorginho and Kante are instrumental to Chelsea's success.
And he beat Pep's like 3 times in a month? Pep changed his tactics and lineup each game, but Chelsea staying the same, and the've won all 3 games. That's quite a feat.
They knew the ban was coming and they spent during that January, isn't it ? Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Lukaku, Chilwel, Kovacic ,Mendy, Ziyech and they are not done yet for this window
When have these coaches managed this current Manchester United side to a title? Or for that matter won the title with a squad that isn't the best in the league they're competing in?
That's funny naming the formation as style.
ole has a style then 4-2-3-1 4 defenders, 2 in the Pivot, 2 wingers, a 10 and a striker.
The wingers are allowed to attack and the 10 is allowed a free role.
Ole has also beaten Pep and Tuchel numerous times and both have changed their tactics to suit.. quite the feat that?
Absolutely pathetic how some on this thread can't get behind our manager no matter what. Simply refuse to. He's actually not done a terrible job at all. Progress in league. Progress with transfers. Team morale best it's been for years. Unbeaten away record.
Brought Sancho, Bruno and Varane to the club but still bitch and moan.
Half of you would be Chelsea or City fans if you were born in a latter decade. Sad but true.
If you can't support a club legend as our manager, especially as he's been doing well, then what type of fan are you? A spoilt brat entitled one.
Oles at the wheel chaps. Go watch someone else if it's too much for you. You won't be missed.
Brought Sancho, Bruno and Varane to the club but still bitch and moan.
Half of you would be Chelsea or City fans if you were born in a latter decade. Sad but true.
If you can't support a club legend as our manager, especially as he's been doing well, then what type of fan are you? A spoilt brat entitled one.
Oles at the wheel chaps. Go watch someone else if it's too much for you. You won't be missed.
That's where I'm at too. He's certainly exceeded my expectations, and while I fancy us to have a good season and a title push, I still have some lingering doubts. That being said, overall I'm happy how we look going into the season, and I do feel he'll improve more as a manager and push on.
If we fail to see real improvements this season, it'll lead to more excuses, and I personally don't think the excuses will fly anymore.
"Now they play a possession-based football with more defensive discipline. They have also implemented a man-marking style." i said that, and they play like this every game.
We play counter, but are clueless against teams that sit deep. We always rely so much on individual brillance to save us in those games. If anything, it's much harder to know Ole's style than Tuchel.
Also, Tuchel inherited the same squad Lampard had. And won the UCL knocking out both Madrid teams and beating Pep in a final. Ole is still trophyless.
Ole in the games that matter, usually fail. All semi-finals lost to Pep and Frank, the europa final, and even in the UCL. We needed just 1 point in the last 2 group games and we lost both, one of those against Tuchel's PSG.
Are you saying he's a better manager than Tuchel and Pep or what's the story here?
Only really relevant to this thread in that Solskjaer manages the team but I found it interesting.
I see Tuchel is going to become the new enemy of the state on here, just like Poch before him. All because people have the audacity to rate him and suggest he's a better manager than Ole.
Who’s raising some of these fans these days.
Your not identifying wingers you are telling me which players have played well in their selected positions. There is a clear difference. It also doesn’t confirm what doesnt work for these players in a 352.
It’s also probably why you don’t question the manager as you clearly don’t have the knowledge to think for yourself. I mean there is clear difference from playing style in a front 3 to a front 2. But you believe Rashford and Greenwood can’t do it. On what evidence please?
So we're completely out of the title race then? Feck, must have missed that.
Me not wanting to fire Ole for Conte = me not questioning anything the manager does
If you think Rashford and Greenwood would be sensational in a 3-5-2, why didn't you include them in your lineup? You omitting them is what raised question marks for me, is all.
Literally the best part about Ole's reign have been his signings. So even if we have doubts if he's capable of taking us further, bringing in a manager that won't make the most of the squad Ole has built would be silly.
And yes a lineup that includes fecking Lindalove/Telles/Dalot/Matic instead of Rashford/Greenwood/Sancho isn't making the most out of our squad.
I've criticized Ole's refusal to part with Martial/James/VDB, the VDB signing and Ole's lack of impact subs and rotation in general. I've also praised Conte and suggested my favorite NT should have hired him.
So spare me the condescension, thanks.
Redcafe Boom cycle is still on , I guess
Great article. To conclude Hassenhuttl tactically outclassed Ole. Nothing we don't know about - DDG, AWB,Fred and Matic weak when pressed.
Me not wanting to fire Ole for Conte = me not questioning anything the manager does
If you think Rashford and Greenwood would be sensational in a 3-5-2, why didn't you include them in your lineup? You omitting them is what raised question marks for me, is all.
Literally the best part about Ole's reign have been his signings. So even if we have doubts if he's capable of taking us further, bringing in a manager that won't make the most of the squad Ole has built would be silly.
And yes a lineup that includes fecking Lindalove/Telles/Dalot/Matic instead of Rashford/Greenwood/Sancho isn't making the most out of our squad.
I've criticized Ole's refusal to part with Martial/James/VDB, the VDB signing and Ole's lack of impact subs and rotation in general. I've also praised Conte and suggested my favorite NT should have hired him.
So spare me the condescension, thanks.
It was a lineup using the various options I had. My lineup never had Lindelof and it never excluded Sancho!
Also our current manager is literally playing Lindelof, Matic and Fred
. But you are questioning my line up. Maybe just understand what the post is trying to say and if you get lost at any point..Just highlight it. I’m happy to explain my points. I can even go in-depth on why players should play where I’ve put them and where players I haven’t selected can fit in.It’s really not complex and I don’t even believe in the formation for this team.
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