I think Ole has a lot to improve. But I will reserve judgment till I’ve seen him play with Varane and Sancho. But most importantly, Varane, because that should alter the way we play by pushing the defence further up and unshackling the midfield. In theory that should make us far more cohesive.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Sort of true. Chelsea were going nowhere under Frank. Pushing for top 4, some good games, some bad ones. They bring in a world class manager and win the champions league and are probably favourites for the title this year. We were lucky last year that teams around us suffered and we pretty much had a free ride at 2nd place. This is Solskjaers 4th season here and the same problems we have complained about since even before he started, those complaints still ring true.
Players cannot pass under pressure. We don’t create chances by way of a system. We rely on moments of individual brilliance to win games except when the floodgates open up (see Leeds, Leipzig) we cannot play against defensive sides. These things are still there, each and every game.
I am scared to see what happens with Sancho. Our track record in signings on paper has been okay but performance wise, whether or not it was down to the management, on the pitch a lot of players have failed to deliver and looked shadows of themselves from previous clubs.
We also still have the likes of Lingard, Jones and James in amongst the team. These players need to go and not be told they will have a role to play.
Is that why he doesnt shout when players are slow to move the ball or make constant bad passes? Because he wants to tell them in private?
Lost the Europa League final against a rank underdog. He didn’t look surprised and shows no emotion when we lose. Today at Southampton, he blamed the Ref for not blowing for a foul on Bruno. Sure sign he’s clueless. Greenwood and DeGea pulled us out of the shit to deny Southampton three points. Fred, Martial were also clueless. Magic over the hill. That team would have been battered by Liverpool or City. We urge need a defensive midfielder and to get Sancho, Varane and Cavani starting games not sitting on the bench. Sorry Ole, nice guy but not United manager material.
I don't know exactly what he shouts from the sidelines but I'm going to guess he does. He just doesn't go into press conferences and throw players under the bus.
He finished a few points ahead of Klopp, who was playing centre midfielders at centre back all season, and ahead of Tuchel, who was undoing half a season of bullshit from Lampard and winning the Champions League in the process.
Quite the achievement for Solskjaer. That will go on his Wikipedia.
"Honours: Finished ahead of Jurgen Klopp and Thomas Tuchel: 2020/2021."
Oh, and of course a silver medal for bottling the Europa League final. Absolute fecking madness how people think a guy who managed Molde and was sacked at Cardiff is gonna topple Guardiola and Klopp.
Doesn't mean anything. You can find similar excuses from Klopp, and I'm sure you don't think he's clueless.
I’ve always said this season is make or break for Ole, this is the final year of his original contract so I’ll wait and see how it plays out. If he delivers come the end of the season, brilliant, however if we come up short yet again and fail to win any sort of silverware then it’s time to look elsewhere.
Ain’t nobody scared of this guys no matter what stupid behind the scenes reports keep coming out. He can shout as much as he likes
I think we got half of his first choices. But I think hes put us in a good position going forward after the shit show weve seen in terms of a near enough scatter gun approach of signings.
I think based on the squad now, we should be competing too, but you also said its time to deliver. So if we compete and dont win, is that a failure for you?
Tuchel is a better manager than Lampard of course.
I dont think Ole is the best manager. But if we want to get rid of him we need to bring in somebody that will take us to the next step. Im not convinced Zidane or Poch would do that. Conte id say yes but I also worry he will want to change a lot.
I think were almost playing to our potential under Ole. Almost because Ole has flaws, but the thing is hes meeting the targets for the board.
But I do think the board / owners could and should be doing more (but they wont and thats why I think they are a bigger issue than the manager)
What Jose got with this?Yes we get, you love Jose and hate Ole.
You can continue with the failed Cardiff manager crap, but this has as little to do with him being a United manager as his legendary manager status and success at Molde.
Wow, 2 titles in Norway league in 8 years. Thank God that we hired him before Barca, City or Chelsea tried to steal him. Lucky us
Edit: ah, good old you want Ole out so you hate him stuff. I missed that
Yeah very impressive 5-1 against Leeds last week. Where were you lads then? There was a fair bit of style in that game if I remember correctly. Still, don't let that get in the way of a good whinge session.
Well no one said that part about hiring him before other clubs. So don’t make up stuff.
But obviously as he won trophies with Molde it doesn’t fit your agenda calling him ex Molde Manager. Therefore you continue with the Cardiff reference.
And your support even until now for Jose is obvious. You just have a strong dislike for Ole and have posted gems such as how you would take Jose, Moyes or anyone else ahead of him.
But keep posting the same boring and tedious stuff.
Hahahaha so funny. You guys, you guys
Took a step backward today by starting Martial, who either isn’t physically fit or mentally interested in what Ole is trying to build. Some players need an arm around the shoulder and others need their arse kicked. I worry that Ole can’t tell which, when.
Have a read of that again.
Ha ha his big achievement is he finished ahead of Klopp
Next sentence : How do people think this guy is gonna finish ahead of Klopp?
I just...... I don't.... Huh
Not impressive at all today. No clue why Matić plays against teams that press us. Should have been Van de Beek or Pogba in midfield. Martial upfront was a disaster, not sure if he is even fit.
Hopefully he learns from it and we go again, otherwise not even Varane and Sancho can help us.
Hopefully he learns from it and we go again, otherwise not even Varane and Sancho can help us.
Lets see him finish ahead of Klopp who isn't playing Fabinho and Henderson at centre back. I....huh....duh.
That was not the next sentence the post you’re referring to did not say finish ahead of it said topple, I.e beating them to a title. Your bad faith arguments are pathetic.
We've equalled the top flight record for an away unbeaten run. 27 games. It was poor today, no question, but this "failed Cardiff manager" stuff is for the birds.
Why are we setting records if he's so out of his depth?
Circumstances are important if we get 90+ points but fail to win the league I would say we didnt delivered but that it was a good job, if we are eliminated in the UCL by PSG or Bayern I wouldn't complain.
But if we end up second again with around 70 points and are eliminated in group stage or by anything else than a power club then yes I will say that's a failure.
That's like keeping Lingard because we don't know if the next player will be an upgrade. You change managers because you're not sure they will get you where you want to be. Instead it seems we keep them because we're not sure the next one will.
I've seen enough from Ole to be convinced he wont be a top manager, would very much rather gamble on another manager.
What does almost means? As if we sometimes do sometimes don't? If that then I totally agree, but that's not good enough. We need consistency to win the league, specially with the current teams that are challenging it.
There are many problems in this club, including the manager. But keeping the manager because of that is like saying we shouldn't buy a new CDM because there's bigger problems than filling that position.
I reckon we've got a good chance if we finish ahead of them.
Yes, i like Jose. But when was time for sack, i said sack him. And i had no problem saying that he is in decline. You see, i separate personal opinion about someone and reality.
The thing which you and other Ole in guys can't do it. Ole is a lovely guy, Ole is our playing legend but Ole as a manager is average at best. And we will never win anything under him. If he was not OGS, you would be saying the same
Except he didn’t blame the ref did he? He said it was a foul which it clearly was but then said Fred should have blocked the shot. He then said we lost the plot until the second half and that we were very poor the final 20 minutes. Let’s just invent shit to call him clueless though eh?
Set pieces or not, those chances were huge and we were unlucky to not acore at least one goal.
Also, we were quite dominant for a similar period of time after we equalised, so I really find it hard to say our performance was horrible. We've seen much, much worse.
Basically could apply to every manager bar Mourinho in his sour moods
Agreed regarding circumstances.
With regards to the Lingard example, again, theres no point selling him unless theres a purpose. Its like when we Sold Lukaku, I had no issues with us selling him, but we needed a replacement. Ole wanted Haaland clearly, but it seems like the club didnt go all out for him or Haaland chose Dortmund over us (depending on what you read)
Then we ended up going for King? but instead got Ighalo and then extended him, but got Cavani when he became available.
Doesnt seem too planned.
But ive veered off topic. If we got rid of Ole, it would have to be for somebody who is better than him and is a guarantee to be better than him. Otherwise youre getting rid of somebody who is meeting the boards targets.
I get you, as a fan, would gamble on a manager and thus would rather take a chelsea approach. But the club wont. It works for Chelsea as managers are willing to go and try, and knowing if they get sacked they get compensation but before they do, they will mostly be backed to try.
That wont happen here.
But again, I reiterate, the manager isnt the biggest problem at the club, even though I know he has flaws. Thats what my intiial point was. Glazers are a bigger problem for United because they hired the manager (through whatever system they have in place). And if youre bringing in a manager like Ole, you need to fully back him to make up for the flaws. (except, of course, if the target is getting CL football to keep on bringing in the money, then hes meeting the targets, which hes done in the two full seasons hes been our manager)
Agreed, what bothers me though I couldn't help thinking if we had a more experience manager we'd of gone a Fergie time goal.. Can't see us having Ole time. I really struggle to get behind him, didn't see a plan b either. Hopefully it's due to match fitness or what every excuses can be made.
Blew it by starting Martial today.
I'm still not convinced if he's the man to lead us to trophies, but he has done a really good job shaping the squad.
The on-field work regarding results/performances - I think people overly praise him for that, but hopefully he proves me wrong this season.
Make no mistake - If we fail to challenge for trophies this season, questions need to be asked.
I'm still not convinced if he's the man to lead us to trophies, but he has done a really good job shaping the squad.
The on-field work regarding results/performances - I think people overly praise him for that, but hopefully he proves me wrong this season.
Make no mistake - If we fail to challenge for trophies this season, questions need to be asked.
This sums it up for me. Love him for his history with the club and think he's definitely done sooner good work since he took over. I just don't think, if I'm being absolutely honest with myself, that he's of the standard we'd need given how competitive the league is. Top, top bloke though and has definitely brought the feel good factor back after Mou, Moyes et al.
When we underperform its usually Ole that's at fault.
I still have the same opinion as when he started, that we can sign all the top quality players we want but Ole just isn't at that level to win trophies.
I still have the same opinion as when he started, that we can sign all the top quality players we want but Ole just isn't at that level to win trophies.
I'm not Ole Out or anything but for a long time now we just keep saying Ope needs to improve. He needs to get better at this and that etc etc etc
But can any of us see him becoming a better manager than Tuchel Klopp or Pep?
Because that's who he is competing with.
To me I don't see it happening. Sure he can get the best of them in one off games but when it comes down to it over a season or in the big moments I really struggle to see it being us that come out on top.
As long as Ole is here I really hope I'm wrong but even the fact our Midfield has been left the same is a big red flag when it was a glaring issue last season.
Basically to me we still have 3 issues to overcome.
1. The Glazers ( You can win with them but they make it harder than it needs to be. Rebuilds take too long, their goons can't ever sell our players etc etc)
2. The midfield 2 (Ours simply is not near the required quality)
3. Sadly I doubt Ole will ever be good enough (I want to be wrong but it's just how I see it. Been here a decent chunk of time now too.)
But can any of us see him becoming a better manager than Tuchel Klopp or Pep?
Because that's who he is competing with.
To me I don't see it happening. Sure he can get the best of them in one off games but when it comes down to it over a season or in the big moments I really struggle to see it being us that come out on top.
As long as Ole is here I really hope I'm wrong but even the fact our Midfield has been left the same is a big red flag when it was a glaring issue last season.
Basically to me we still have 3 issues to overcome.
1. The Glazers ( You can win with them but they make it harder than it needs to be. Rebuilds take too long, their goons can't ever sell our players etc etc)
2. The midfield 2 (Ours simply is not near the required quality)
3. Sadly I doubt Ole will ever be good enough (I want to be wrong but it's just how I see it. Been here a decent chunk of time now too.)
He's done very well considering where we were and his CV, he's been great at turning the club into a positive direction.
With the top managers, what sets them apart is getting more little decisions right, I don't think Ole posses that skill, we have to watch him learn on the job. No amount of talking to Fergie will help him get things more correct, he has to be able to see the best selections and who to bring on, who to let go.
It's going got be interesting to see if Ole can keep United up the sharp end when the season is well under way and the new players are settled. The covid year last year with the short bursts of good play to continually dig ourselves out the shit after conceding won't be enough, we don't have a Liverpool without a defence or a hapless Lampard to bank on.
Three top coaches have appeared in the PL and already won major trophies and we were not in ear shot for any of these guys.
With the top managers, what sets them apart is getting more little decisions right, I don't think Ole posses that skill, we have to watch him learn on the job. No amount of talking to Fergie will help him get things more correct, he has to be able to see the best selections and who to bring on, who to let go.
It's going got be interesting to see if Ole can keep United up the sharp end when the season is well under way and the new players are settled. The covid year last year with the short bursts of good play to continually dig ourselves out the shit after conceding won't be enough, we don't have a Liverpool without a defence or a hapless Lampard to bank on.
Three top coaches have appeared in the PL and already won major trophies and we were not in ear shot for any of these guys.
In all likelihood, no.
A lot of the issues people have with Ole were issues when he 1st took over in terms of performances.
We have much better players now, but most of those issues still rear in(like today).
We're not a team that's more than the sum of their parts. Our press consists of Bruno pressing himself. Our possession play is often ponderous and slow with static movement. We're excellent at counters and transitions though, and I'll credit Ole for that tbf. He's instilled incredible belief in the players, but his man-management being good/great isn't enough. And I'm no longer buying the squad excuses vs City, Pool or even Chelsea.
We have the best squad on paper we've had in probably a decade or so.
We had like 2 instances today where Wan-Bissaka got the ball at the half-way line from the corner and he resorted to passing it back to De Gea every single time killing the attack. The fact that it happened once was rather unacceptable, but maybe it was a one-off. The same thing happened at least 1 more time(maybe even 2 more times) is infuriating and it just speaks to the volume of how underwhelming our positioning and structure can be at times.
A club with the stature of United should always reach for the highest possible. Solskjær is not top level. It’s as simple as that. You have to improve everywhere you can.
As I’ve said before, I’ll be judging Ole on aspects like team selection, in-game management & tactics this season.
He got it all wrong today. I’m not going to be rushing to any conclusions after 2 games but if he can’t showcase any evolution in his own management progress than we’ll still be having similar issues 10 games in as well.
If McT wasn’t ready, should’ve picked VDB over Matic. Greenwood should’ve held his striker role and Sancho could’ve started in place of James. Martial could’ve been substituted instead of starting as he clearly wasn’t ready.
Then to make matters worse, when Matic wasn’t showing any positive signs during the game, he should’ve been substituted as early as possible in the second half and VDB brought in but again substitutions were done late.
I really don’t understand why Ole hesitates so much. He needs to be ice cold with his decision making and stop giving preferential treatment to certain players over others as well.
It’s aspects like these that differentiate good managers from the best. A lot of managers start their journey being nobody’s like Ole did but then they show why they stand out. Ole has done a good job so far but the time for being anymore patient with him is gone. We need to go for the title this season and Ole needs to be sharp during critical moments. Even managers like Tuchel show more grit when making decisions while having time constraints which he proved. Ole has had more than enough time and I’ve slowly transitioned from being his supporter to being somewhat more critical now because there’s a trend becoming more evident by the day.
He got it all wrong today. I’m not going to be rushing to any conclusions after 2 games but if he can’t showcase any evolution in his own management progress than we’ll still be having similar issues 10 games in as well.
If McT wasn’t ready, should’ve picked VDB over Matic. Greenwood should’ve held his striker role and Sancho could’ve started in place of James. Martial could’ve been substituted instead of starting as he clearly wasn’t ready.
Then to make matters worse, when Matic wasn’t showing any positive signs during the game, he should’ve been substituted as early as possible in the second half and VDB brought in but again substitutions were done late.
I really don’t understand why Ole hesitates so much. He needs to be ice cold with his decision making and stop giving preferential treatment to certain players over others as well.
It’s aspects like these that differentiate good managers from the best. A lot of managers start their journey being nobody’s like Ole did but then they show why they stand out. Ole has done a good job so far but the time for being anymore patient with him is gone. We need to go for the title this season and Ole needs to be sharp during critical moments. Even managers like Tuchel show more grit when making decisions while having time constraints which he proved. Ole has had more than enough time and I’ve slowly transitioned from being his supporter to being somewhat more critical now because there’s a trend becoming more evident by the day.
Meh. Martial started up top and Greenwood was moved to the right in order to try something else instead of playing Dan James on the right. James was not very good last week despite our win. It wasn't an irrational decision to try Martial instead of James.
I think there were different reasons why we didn't win today. The midfield didn't work at all with Matic and yet Fred was the one that got off and we lost all energy in midfield when that happened. We went from 72% possession to 40%. Yet even with Fred on the pitch that midfield was disjointed.
Bruno also had a stinker today, he got caught in possession for their goal and didn't offer much up top either. Martial didn't play any better than James. They scored a lucky deflected OG and survived a couple of goal mouth actions and it just didn't go our way today. With a bit of luck we could still have won and we were the better team.
With hindsight I would have started Sancho right and Greenwood up top, but then Sancho didn't do much when he came on either. I think Matic simply hasn't got the legs to start games any more and that was the biggest problem with the selection today, with second biggest mistake being to leave him on.
We've spent more than most teams in the world. And yes the Galzers have taken a lot out of the club so we couldn't have spent even more? True but we scorn on other clubs as being cheque book in their approach, hmm ok
That money could have gone towards infrastructure, facilities, etc which has been neglected.
And infrastructure which helps the club and the manager long term.
Im surprised how many people think Ole is the biggest issue with our club, given the position we were before he arrived as the interim manager.
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