Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Oh God I forgot that saying that your manager has done some positive stuff was so controversial on this forum, just forget it, life’s too short.

I’m by no means saying we are where we need to be or even Ole is the long term solution, but we have gotten a lot better under Ole.
 
I'll just throw it out here
Since joining City Pep has spent over £200m alone in his defence
Tuchel inherited the highest spenders of last year's window with 5 players good enough to be regular starters(Mendy, Silva, Chilwell, Werner, Havertz)
Ole has been here almost 3 years with a grand total of FOUR starting 11 signings(Bruno, Maguire, AWB, Cavani) the latter being a last grasp signing not close to Ole's first choice. The rest have either been depth signings or 4th/5th choice buys
Ole may not be the long term solution but he's made progress(albeit marginal) with very little CONSISTENT backing with Lindelof and McFred as starters. This summer CB, DM, RW MUST be properly addressed with STARTING QUALITY players not back ups or 4th/5th choice signings. If after that we're not seeing title winning progress I'll be all for sacking him
 
Pretty funny seeing all the Ole Out brigade back after being in hibernation for a few months. Almost like some of you enjoyed seeing United lose the other night.

Anyone with at ounce of common sense and perspective can see the progress Ole has made with very little backing. Is he the man for the long term, I still don’t know is the honest answer but he certainly deserves to be backed this summer and given another crack at titles next season.

If he’s backed and we fail to progress further then fine... start looking elsewhere but to talk about getting rid right now is ridiculous.
 
Pretty funny seeing all the Ole Out brigade back after being in hibernation for a few months. Almost like some of you enjoyed seeing United lose the other night.

Anyone with at ounce of common sense and perspective can see the progress Ole has made with very little backing. Is he the man for the long term, I still don’t know is the honest answer but he certainly deserves to be backed this summer and given another crack at titles next season.

If he’s backed and we fail to progress further then fine... start looking elsewhere but to talk about getting rid right now is ridiculous.

You are not wrong. The ones who have been crawling out of their caves for the last 3 weeks are basically people who want us to lose and want to see Ole fail because they despise him. They were miserable for a good 2-3 months there when we were doing well but can finally have some joy now with us losing EL and Tuchel winning CL. They will be back here early next season hoping we get destroyed so Ole can be fired, will crawl back into their caves if we start off well (which I expect after a Summer off) and will be back in force when we are struggling. Same cycle all the time. It must be weird being a fan but despising a manager and deep inside wanting the club to fail miserably so he can be gone and you can be proven right.
 
Apart from Ole getting some decent signings what has he progressed in? Please don't say second in the league as that's just the same as finishing 4th.

We have finished in the top 4 2 years in a row in a quite comfortable fashion.

You may say that this is low standard but we haven't even achieved such a low standard before Ole.

Not to mention our league position, play style, morale etc. is still on the up, contrary with other manager before us.

If not for Ole who else do you think can work with us? We have some over paid undroppable players and a board willing to backstab manager over such player. Look at how Mason Mount, Kante, Werner etc. run their sock off in the CL and compare that to our Rashford, Pogba, and you think Tuchel can work with our player and produce the same result? Our board are not like Chelsea's at all and the Tuchel-like manager will fall out with everyone soon enough. We need an expert man management to work in our situation.
 
Pretty funny seeing all the Ole Out brigade back after being in hibernation for a few months. Almost like some of you enjoyed seeing United lose the other night.

Anyone with at ounce of common sense and perspective can see the progress Ole has made with very little backing. Is he the man for the long term, I still don’t know is the honest answer but he certainly deserves to be backed this summer and given another crack at titles next season.

If he’s backed and we fail to progress further then fine... start looking elsewhere but to talk about getting rid right now is ridiculous.
You are welcome do defend Ole's progress. That's a reasonable position but that part is just not true. Come off it.
Think those claiming some want us to lose finals and stuff like that are being silly.
 
I shared a similar view back when he was winning the 3 CLs run, but imo, the second Real Madrid stent proved to me he's a top quality coach can get from his players far more than his natural abilities.

The current Real Madrid squad is in no way or shape better overall than us. They only have Banezema, Kroos, Modric, Ramos and Courtois as top players, and 3 of them are on their already last legs in football. The rest of the squad is pretty average and he still did excellent with them.

I honestly think Zidane will like a lot of our squad and will be able to get a lot more from it, imo.
Unfortunately, I haven't looked that deeply into the Spanish League but was under the impression, that all competitors made the best from their somewhat hampered starting positions. I wouldn't be against Zidane, he surely has something going for him. It would be a bolt move by United, this sounds like something Woody would really go for but he is not going to take this decision. Lets see, where Zidane ends up next season, I would love for him to go somewhere out of Real Madrid to show, what he can do outside of the circus.

Now there’s something I’d never thought I’d see.

Envious of Chelsea, a managerial roundabout club.

Seen it all now
While I somewhat agree with the notion, I think we need to make sure, that our "moral highground" stance doesn't morph into some ignorant mumbling. Chelsea is successful despite that roundabout so just shrugging it away doesn't really make sense. They also didn't made too many excessive transfers to argue that they just spent the cash to make it work.

There must be some sort of stabilizing factor within the club and thats the key point: obviously big clubs benefit from having stabilizing factors in their football hierarchy but this doesn't necessarily need to be the manager. Just because SAF was able to be that for a long time doesn't mean that's the only way to go. Actually let's hope it isn't because chances are quite high, that we won't be able to find someone like SAF again anytime soon.

The McFred duo proves that he goes into games scared of losing.
Ah come on, going for having a solid base in your team in the middle of the park certainly isn't a sign of being scared to lose. It may be a little conservative but certainly not the worst thing in the world. Our issue this year has been reliable chance creation and while Fred and McTominay certainly can be better in some aspects of our game, chance creation certainly shouldn't be their main job.
I get it, sticking to it for 90min against inferior teams when seeing it causes issues because your offensive personal isn't able to do anything is a problem. But then again - then it is on the manager to adjust.

Roman has great long term plan.; his nong term plan is current season. And that is how top clubs should work and that is how all top clubs work. Long term is just excuse for owners.
That is a very very shortsighted and expensive stance to have. The best football clubs have longrunning plans about how their squads should look like, how they want to play and what kind of players are therefor needed. Just imagine we have Greenwood on the cusp but then go out and buy another young forward just because he is the latest hot thing.

Big clubs have to have stabilizing factors that have long-term on their mind - granted, that doesn't have to be the manager but this is a very important distinction to make.

True. Just 1 or 2 penalty kicks go differently and most of the posters ranting in here would still be silent like they were when we were winning games.
Even if that is true - the "fine margins" theory you proposed would then still apply, doesn't it? Even IF we 1 or 2 penalty kicks go differently and we get the cup, we still would have 120 min of not being able to beat Villareal on our table. We still would have a fair view number of unconvincing performances in the season on our table that were just pushed away by saying "game wasn't great but job done because the result is good". We still would have went out of the CL. Fine margins doesn't stop where it suits one's argument and therefor is some sort of doube edged sword.

Thats why it is probably best to focus on the actual events and results. Granted: had we won the EL, the mood around here would be different - but therefor more "right"? Probably not right, it would only mean that the "Ole in" brigade would have a "good argument" to show for "look we have a trophy, great progress" while everything else that has been written in here in the last 48h would still be valid criticism.
 
Pretty funny seeing all the Ole Out brigade back after being in hibernation for a few months. Almost like some of you enjoyed seeing United lose the other night.

Anyone with at ounce of common sense and perspective can see the progress Ole has made with very little backing. Is he the man for the long term, I still don’t know is the honest answer but he certainly deserves to be backed this summer and given another crack at titles next season.

If he’s backed and we fail to progress further then fine... start looking elsewhere but to talk about getting rid right now is ridiculous.
I'm not sure myself if he's the man to get us back to winning big trophies but I believe he's got us one the right track again. I don't worry if he has to go I honestly believe he'll leave a very good team for the next manager and the club will be in a place to be successful. We have a crazy amount of talent coming through our youth ranks, Ole's done well to clear deadwood out the squad and he's signed some good players which I'm sure he'll continue to do this summer. For the first time since Sir Alex retired this feels like United again.
 
You are welcome do defend Ole's progress. That's a reasonable position but that part is just not true. Come off it.
Thing with United is Ole needs the best players, which although we have spent a lot, it has not been spent wisely. If they are going to continue spending money but not on the right quality or positions then we need a manager who can get the best out of a hotch potch of players.
 
You are not wrong. The ones who have been crawling out of their caves for the last 3 weeks are basically people who want us to lose and want to see Ole fail because they despise him. They were miserable for a good 2-3 months there when we were doing well but can finally have some joy now with us losing EL and Tuchel winning CL. They will be back here early next season hoping we get destroyed so Ole can be fired, will crawl back into their caves if we start off well (which I expect after a Summer off) and will be back in force when we are struggling. Same cycle all the time. It must be weird being a fan but despising a manager and deep inside wanting the club to fail miserably so he can be gone and you can be proven right.

Yup. It’s such a strange way to support your club. In all honesty, I feel sorry for them. Do they get any enjoyment from the good days?

Villarreal loss is a bad loss but at the end of the day we lost by the flip of a coin on penalties to a team that is consistently playing European football and over achieving. Didn’t they knock us out of CL under Fergie too? Is he a fraud now as well?
 
Yup. It’s such a strange way to support your club. In all honesty, I feel sorry for them. Do they get any enjoyment from the good days?

Villarreal loss is a bad loss but at the end of the day we lost by the flip of a coin on penalties to a team that is consistently playing European football and over achieving. Didn’t they knock us out of CL under Fergie too? Is he a fraud now as well?
Maybe it would have been wiser to try and win the game in the 90 minutes and not bank on winning in what is a lottery.
 
You are welcome do defend Ole's progress. That's a reasonable position but that part is just not true. Come off it.
Think those claiming some want us to lose finals and stuff like that are being silly.

I don’t think it is. I think it’s pretty clear that there are some on here that are so obsessed with getting rid of him that they would happily see us lose to get what they want.
 
I'm not sure myself if he's the man to get us back to winning big trophies but I believe he's got us one the right track again. I don't worry if he has to go I honestly believe he'll leave a very good team for the next manager and the club will be in a place to be successful. We have a crazy amount of talent coming through our youth ranks, Ole's done well to clear deadwood out the squad and he's signed some good players which I'm sure he'll continue to do this summer. For the first time since Sir Alex retired this feels like United again.

Exactly. Even if he was sacked today he would be leaving a team that with 3 good recruits would be pushing for titles. No other manager since Fergie has done that or even come close.
 
How have we progressed?

I’m unlikely to see finishing second and not winning the EL as progress from finishing second and winning it

Anyone want to pretend there’s anything resembling a tactical style or identity about us?
 
I don’t think it is. I think it’s pretty clear that there are some on here that are so obsessed with getting rid of him that they would happily see us lose to get what they want.
The part I said wasn't true was about Ole receiving very little backing.
Going on about people wanting us to lose dulls your argument but that's for another day.
 
Maybe it would have been wiser to try and win the game in the 90 minutes and not bank on winning in what is a lottery.

Yes, we were banking on penalties. You’ve really torn apart everything I said with your laser focus analysis. Thank you for your service :rolleyes:
 
You are not wrong. The ones who have been crawling out of their caves for the last 3 weeks are basically people who want us to lose and want to see Ole fail because they despise him. They were miserable for a good 2-3 months there when we were doing well but can finally have some joy now with us losing EL and Tuchel winning CL. They will be back here early next season hoping we get destroyed so Ole can be fired, will crawl back into their caves if we start off well (which I expect after a Summer off) and will be back in force when we are struggling. Same cycle all the time. It must be weird being a fan but despising a manager and deep inside wanting the club to fail miserably so he can be gone and you can be proven right.
Come on man, you have 50k posts, you know very well, that you can just turn your argument around and it would still work. The last few weeks we even had an exclusive mocking thread for people to laugh at posts from the MTD. You think that is better than "crawling out of their caves"? We also had people in here violating the rule "Attack the post, not the poster" last night, people have been called clueless just because they voice criticism. Don't act as if one side would be better than the other.

Manchester Uniteds performances really got better in April and early May, thats why the criticism became more calm - but that didn't stop the some individuals to try to rub it in other peoples faces. When our form dipped in the last 3 weeks, ending in the loss of a final against a team we are expected to beat, the tides turned again. People not happy with final loss-shocker. Obviously there is no other way to explain this than that this people have to be despising the manager. Maybe you just read the posts in here before you make such claims.

These agenda wars have to end.
 
I'll just throw it out here
Since joining City Pep has spent over £200m alone in his defence
Tuchel inherited the highest spenders of last year's window with 5 players good enough to be regular starters(Mendy, Silva, Chilwell, Werner, Havertz)
Ole has been here almost 3 years with a grand total of FOUR starting 11 signings(Bruno, Maguire, AWB, Cavani) the latter being a last grasp signing not close to Ole's first choice. The rest have either been depth signings or 4th/5th choice buys
Ole may not be the long term solution but he's made progress(albeit marginal) with very little CONSISTENT backing with Lindelof and McFred as starters. This summer CB, DM, RW MUST be properly addressed with STARTING QUALITY players not back ups or 4th/5th choice signings. If after that we're not seeing title winning progress I'll be all for sacking him

McFred are starting because we weren't able to integrate Oles 40m midfield signing though(and it is his signing, just like previous managers get shit for their bad ones). And our transfer plan now varies wildly compared to Chelsea and City so why compare? We are spending big sums on up and coming players while those two clubs are spending on the first team. Only long term time will tell if that's been a wise decision or not.
 
When was this? We had faced them four times under Fergie and they were all group stage games.

Pretty sure we had to beat them in a final group game to qualify for knock outs and only managed a draw. I might have that wrong though.
 
The part I said wasn't true was about Ole receiving very little backing.
Going on about people wanting us to lose dulls your argument but that's for another day.

How does it dull my argument? Do you really think there isn’t a section of our support, albeit small, that would take losses to see him gone?
 
I'm not sure myself if he's the man to get us back to winning big trophies but I believe he's got us one the right track again. I don't worry if he has to go I honestly believe he'll leave a very good team for the next manager and the club will be in a place to be successful. We have a crazy amount of talent coming through our youth ranks, Ole's done well to clear deadwood out the squad and he's signed some good players which I'm sure he'll continue to do this summer. For the first time since Sir Alex retired this feels like United again.
This is why I am not calling for his head even though I am convinced he's not the one. First of, we are not going to sack him this summer so there's no point calling for his head. Second, I think when we do realise he's not good enough, the next guy will have a decent team on his hands. Furthermore, I like the fact we have a football and technical director now. We won't have to reconstruct a new team every time we change coach. Get a decent coach that can improve what he has met, add to the team and of course compete for titles.
 
How does it dull my argument? Do you really think there isn’t a section of our support, albeit small, that would take losses to see him gone?
That section is probably too small to merit any kind of debate.
 
McFred are starting because we weren't able to integrate Oles 40m midfield signing though(and it is his signing, just like previous managers get shit for their bad ones). And our transfer plan now varies wildly compared to Chelsea and City so why compare? We are spending big sums on up and coming players while those two clubs are spending on the first team. Only long term time will tell if that's been a wise decision or not.
Did you watch VDB at Ajax? He's NOT a pivot midfielder he was more of a floating No10 and going from The Dutch League to the PL is a big step he was always going to take time. And I thought the consensus around here when we signed him was we needed someone better for the bench than Lingard/Pereira
 
This is why I am not calling for his head even though I am convinced he's not the one. First of, we are not going to sack him this summer so there's no point calling for his head. Second, I think when we do realise he's not good enough, the next guy will have a decent team on his hands. Furthermore, I like the fact we have a football and technical director now. We won't have to reconstruct a new team every time we change coach. Get a decent coach that can improve what he has met, add to the team and of course compete for titles.
I agree. I think he's done an okay job and has left the squad in a healthy state compared to previous managers. I think he should be given one more season to see what he can do, although if an opportunity for a better manager comes in, I certainly would not be unhappy seeing him moved on. Where I draw the line though is renewing his contract after next season. He's not done enough to warrant continuing his role. He's shown time and time again in his managerial tenure at United that he's not up to winning trophies and I don't think that will ever change.
 
Pretty sure we had to beat them in a final group game to qualify for knock outs and only managed a draw. I might have that wrong though.
Only twice I remember us being in that situation under Fergie and we got knocked out by Benfica and FC Basel. Was not Villarreal.
 
I agree, I think he's done an okay job and has left the squad in a happy state. I think he should be given one more season to see what he can do, although if an opportunity for a better manager comes in, I would not be unhappy seeing him moved on. Where I draw the line though is renewing his contract. He's not done enough to warrant continuing his role. He's shown time and time again in his managerial tenure at United that he's not up to winning trophies and I don't think that will ever change.
I don't even want us to sack him this summer cause all of the coaches I would have liked have been snapped up. I don't want Allegri, Conte or Zidane. Think they would be wrong for us. He also hasn't done badly enough for us to need an urgent change.
 
Pretty funny seeing all the Ole Out brigade back after being in hibernation for a few months. Almost like some of you enjoyed seeing United lose the other night.

Anyone with at ounce of common sense and perspective can see the progress Ole has made with very little backing. Is he the man for the long term, I still don’t know is the honest answer but he certainly deserves to be backed this summer and given another crack at titles next season.

If he’s backed and we fail to progress further then fine... start looking elsewhere but to talk about getting rid right now is ridiculous.
I just about agree. I might be a sterner critic than some in thinking we've performed to expectation in the league (overperformed in league position perhaps but points total and match day performance at expectation) and underperformed in cup competitions. Neither are drastic enough to sack him or to sign him up for a fatter, longer contract. If we're truly ambitious and want to start winning stuff again, we properly back him this summer and make a decision next summer (assuming the wheels don't completely fall off midseason). If we make the signings we should make this summer (Sancho, a real DM and a proper CB), a new manager will inherit a really strong, able squad anyway. If we don't, then it's hard to blame Ole for us not winning anything and we have to accept that the Glazers are the entirety of the problem.
 
How have we progressed?

I’m unlikely to see finishing second and not winning the EL as progress from finishing second and winning it

Anyone want to pretend there’s anything resembling a tactical style or identity about us?

thre is a very definite pattern of play shit for a few weeks and get shit results to playing ok for a few weeks and getting good results. The eventual champions can still find a way even when playing shite.
we cant.

We are as far away as we were 4 years ago as somewhere along the season , probably more than once, our bad form cycle lines up with important games and out we go.

some of it is on the players but the manager isnt getting hte best out of them.
 
How have we progressed?

I’m unlikely to see finishing second and not winning the EL as progress from finishing second and winning it

Anyone want to pretend there’s anything resembling a tactical style or identity about us?

December 2018. We had just been completely embarrased at Anfield and were lucky to just have conceded 3.

Dressing room unrest, mutiny, new negative headlines daily in the press, an aeging squad full of deadwood. Despite what people think, we easily could have slid further down.

Despite what the emotional vampires and doom mongerers think, we have a decent season behind us and an exciting young squad
 
You are not wrong. The ones who have been crawling out of their caves for the last 3 weeks are basically people who want us to lose and want to see Ole fail because they despise him. They were miserable for a good 2-3 months there when we were doing well but can finally have some joy now with us losing EL and Tuchel winning CL. They will be back here early next season hoping we get destroyed so Ole can be fired, will crawl back into their caves if we start off well (which I expect after a Summer off) and will be back in force when we are struggling. Same cycle all the time. It must be weird being a fan but despising a manager and deep inside wanting the club to fail miserably so he can be gone and you can be proven right.

If you have all the answers as you so arrogantly put down in the above post, why even participate on a forum? And the funny thing is that you predict they will be back in full force when we struggle, as in validating their rhetorics completely - the message being he is not up to standards.
Nobody wants the club to lose, but some are in their full right to whisper their negativity with the current manager being in charge of something so big and meaningful to a lot of people - both fans and shareholders. It’s extremely concerning, I am too very concerned of the well-being of Man Utd with an amateur in charge relative to other clubs. We do not have the holistic football model in order at United, we need to have the right/best managers for it to work.

If you feel the need to fuel your ego with a houlier than thou-post, at least make the content match the message so you appear remotely as smart as you think you sound. Yes they will be «back» as you call it, of course they will, they want the club to achieve success, they won’t tolerate mediocrity.
 
You are welcome do defend Ole's progress. That's a reasonable position but that part is just not true. Come off it.
Think those claiming some want us to lose finals and stuff like that are being silly.

Come on, it’s pretty clear that a large number of people on here are only animated when we are doing poorly these days. They only sing when we’re losing.

Not the case for all who want Ole out, obviously, but a good number are no-where to be seen unless they can say "I told you so"

It’s easy to see why people feel some "fans" prefer us losing.
 
We have finished in the top 4 2 years in a row in a quite comfortable fashion.

You may say that this is low standard but we haven't even achieved such a low standard before Ole.

Not to mention our league position, play style, morale etc. is still on the up, contrary with other manager before us.

If not for Ole who else do you think can work with us? We have some over paid undroppable players and a board willing to backstab manager over such player. Look at how Mason Mount, Kante, Werner etc. run their sock off in the CL and compare that to our Rashford, Pogba, and you think Tuchel can work with our player and produce the same result? Our board are not like Chelsea's at all and the Tuchel-like manager will fall out with everyone soon enough. We need an expert man management to work in our situation.
I agree, it is a low standard for United and simply not good enough in my opinion. Ole is basically doing a Lampard. We now need a manager that can take us a step further. With what's available I could only see Poch & Rogers available but many won't like Rogers because of the Liverpool link.

Personally I don't have a issue with it for couple of reasons.
(1) He's no Rafa
(2) Liverpool fans didn't really take to him

I would argue the Liverpool job came too soon for Rogers and honestly think he's improved in the last few years. Plenty will argue he can't get Leicester over the line though. However, many would say the same about Ole.

We're just delaying the inevitable with Ole. He will get 3/4 players in summer which will undoubtably improve us. It's possible we may win a cup competition but is that enough? Personally I just want the holy grail back and winning the league. Cups are second best which also includes the CL I know many will question that but it's just my opinion, not saying I'm right it's just my preference.
 
I’m sure all the threads in the player performances section will show absolutely nobody who attack those for being critical of the manager up as at all hypocrites and their contributions are nothing short of glowing

But of course they only resort to criticism when it’s justified. It’s only other people who do so out of dishonest and malicious intent
 
I'm sorry for my last post. It was unnecessary and childish. Of course, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion.

I will try to be more tolerant in the future. It is better to agree to disagree and keep it on good terms.
 
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