Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[cedara]

Serial Bottler

Just got to a final of a EL & our highest league position for a few years and he’s a bottler.

Sure we’ve got to a few semi finals but now we’ve got to a final and lost on penalties, if that’s not even more signs of progress I don’t know what is. Less of a bottler than the CAF’s guilty love Brendan Rogers!

This forum expects insane success with the players that we have, it ain’t gonna happen. Ole needs players and he needs investment this summer.

Tuchel would NOT have won the EL with these players. They’re not good enough. We need more Bruno standard players which we don’t have.

You missed the part we lost for the team has 7th place in LaLiga. Re progress,... feck me... instead of just jump or run, we stick with the club "Legend" 's progress which has speed of a snail. Dont you see we now accept the lost for a team like Villa-fking-real as a normal thing and our players instead of focusing in their form in the pitch, they're now focussing on building on their social image?

how do you know Tuchel would not have won the EL with our players? Dont say the thing that's not real. Since when the team lost, it because of players but the team win, it's manager effort? Progress...my arse(nal)..

 

[Siezard]

He seems terrified to do anything. When was the last time he responded to events in a match and changed shape, shifted tactical focus, made a change that wasn’t either like for like or planned in advance?

Half the time he doesn’t move. When did he last pull someone off for a poor performance?

He does nothing. He notices nothing. He changes nothing. His in-game management literally ends when he hands in his team sheet.

Our tactical approach after two and a half years is ‘let’s hope our XI beats theirs and Bruno has a good game “

I wince every time someone talks about our “progress” under him. Our progress has been Liverpool’s injury table.

We’re a shit , directionless , tactically nondescript outfit and the poorest side to finish second in this league probably in 20 years.

haha every 2nd place is a poor side if they are not close to the champion.

Actually, Man utd's 2nd place is very respectable because they are 5 points ahead of 3rd place and has better goal difference.

 

[Viral United]

Complete shit show this thread. So many clueless people in one place.

leave it mate, we all know this was going to happen if we lose final.
There is nothing new.

 

[Leftback99]

It's good to see all these posters back anyway. They've been silent for months for some reason.

 

[marcus agrippa]

To me as a manager he doesn't seem to be able to think things through quick enough during a game. You have to be prepared to alter things at a minutes notice. You wonder if he decides which subs will be used during a game and when the situation isn't going the way he thought it would he is scuppered. That is why I was hinting he cannot react quick enough to a situation.

I used to think the same, but then someone pointed out to me that he may not even be aware of the things that need fixing.

Remember the PSG game that got him the permanent job? Remember how our right hand side (Young ahead + Bailly at RB) was getting torn to shreds early on, with Bailly getting drawn out of position? I kept waiting for him to fix it. But then Bailly went to sleep and PSG equalized. They went on to have a couple more chances on that side. He still didn't fix it. IIRC, the only reason that changed was that Bailly picked up an injury and had to come off for Dalot (?). That's when I knew that something was wrong with that guy, because I'm not very good at reading the tactics during a Utd game and even I could see what the problem was.

Then that whole Fred-getting-sent-off situation happened this season, which I literally couldn't believe what was happening (I was so convinced Fred would be subbed off at the half).

It's scary to me that I can see things my manager can't because I'm usually too emotional during United games to see anything but the most obvious. I remember with Fergie he'd make decisions that I'd be like WTF? Then they'd come off, and I'd be like 'That's genius!'

With this guy, it's still WTF (if he makes a decision!), but for the wrong reason.

 

[marcus agrippa]

Serial Bottler

Just got to a final of a EL & our highest league position for a few years and he’s a bottler.

Sure we’ve got to a few semi finals but now we’ve got to a final and lost on penalties, if that’s not even more signs of progress I don’t know what is. Less of a bottler than the CAF’s guilty love Brendan Rogers!

This forum expects insane success with the players that we have, it ain’t gonna happen. Ole needs players and he needs investment this summer.

Tuchel would NOT have won the EL with these players. They’re not good enough. We need more Bruno standard players which we don’t have.

This is funny to me. Back in the day, I'd go to the KOP and have a chuckle at Liverpool fans with their inconsequential 'alternative league tables' and whatnot. Now I see the same thing over here: people using meaningless stats to try to convince themselves that something positive is happening that really isn't.

Manchester United shouldn't be in a Europa League final (this isn't the competition for which the club was built; and certainly is the result of some poor decisions made by the manager during the Leipzig game, for example). That aside, it shouldn't have come to a penalty kick taken by our goalkeeper to decide the outcome of that match. That's down to coaching and in-game management and simple balls of the manager on the day.

I don't care about Brendan Rogers. Even if I did, that doesn't take away from how poor and inept and cowardly a manager Solskjaer is. Don't deflect.

We don't need 11 world-class players to beat the 7th best team in La Liga in Villareal. Again, don't deflect.

 

[hubbuh]

Serial Bottler

Just got to a final of a EL & our highest league position for a few years and he’s a bottler.

Sure we’ve got to a few semi finals but now we’ve got to a final and lost on penalties, if that’s not even more signs of progress I don’t know what is. Less of a bottler than the CAF’s guilty love Brendan Rogers!

This forum expects insane success with the players that we have, it ain’t gonna happen. Ole needs players and he needs investment this summer.

Tuchel would NOT have won the EL with these players. They’re not good enough. We need more Bruno standard players which we don’t have.

This is such delusional crap. Our squad is more than good enough to beat Villarreal ffs, who finished 7th in La Liga. People expect insane success in beating Villareal and winning a second rate competition like the Europa League?! We don't need a team full of Bruno's to win the EL!!! You're totally mad. I can't actually believe someone would believe that.

 

[Wilt]

If that isn't proof that money buy's you success, then I don't know what is.

Utd have been smashing transfer records since the invention the wheel

 

[LJJT]

I used to think the same, but then someone pointed out to me that he may not even be aware of the things that need fixing.

Remember the PSG game that got him the permanent job? Remember how our right hand side (Young ahead + Bailly at RB) was getting torn to shreds early on, with Bailly getting drawn out of position? I kept waiting for him to fix it. But then Bailly went to sleep and PSG equalized. They went on to have a couple more chances on that side. He still didn't fix it. IIRC, the only reason that changed was that Bailly picked up an injury and had to come off for Dalot (?). That's when I knew that something was wrong with that guy, because I'm not very good at reading the tactics during a Utd game and even I could see what the problem was.

Then that whole Fred-getting-sent-off situation happened this season, which I literally couldn't believe what was happening (I was so convinced Fred would be subbed off at the half).

It's scary to me that I can see things my manager can't because I'm usually too emotional during United games to see anything but the most obvious. I remember with Fergie he'd make decisions that I'd be like WTF? Then they'd come off, and I'd be like 'That's genius!'

With this guy, it's still WTF (if he makes a decision!), but for the wrong reason.

Sounds like you should be in charge then?
Honestly!? Using one of the best performances we’ve had in recent years to criticise him

 

[Red00012]

If that isn't proof that money buy's you success, then I don't know what is.

Ole has spent just shy of £300 million

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I used to think the same, but then someone pointed out to me that he may not even be aware of the things that need fixing.

Remember the PSG game that got him the permanent job? Remember how our right hand side (Young ahead + Bailly at RB) was getting torn to shreds early on, with Bailly getting drawn out of position? I kept waiting for him to fix it. But then Bailly went to sleep and PSG equalized. They went on to have a couple more chances on that side. He still didn't fix it. IIRC, the only reason that changed was that Bailly picked up an injury and had to come off for Dalot (?). That's when I knew that something was wrong with that guy, because I'm not very good at reading the tactics during a Utd game and even I could see what the problem was.

Then that whole Fred-getting-sent-off situation happened this season, which I literally couldn't believe what was happening (I was so convinced Fred would be subbed off at the half).

It's scary to me that I can see things my manager can't because I'm usually too emotional during United games to see anything but the most obvious. I remember with Fergie he'd make decisions that I'd be like WTF? Then they'd come off, and I'd be like 'That's genius!'

With this guy, it's still WTF (if he makes a decision!), but for the wrong reason.

Yes I remember. The Fred situation was madness. Everybody could see what was on the horizon and he did nothing.

 

[saivet]

This is such delusional crap. Our squad is more than good enough to beat Villarreal ffs, who finished 7th in La Liga. People expect insane success in beating Villareal and winning a second rate competition like the Europa League?! We don't need a team full of Bruno's to win the EL!!! You're totally mad. I can't actually believe someone would believe that.

We literally beat Real Sociedad who finished a couple of places above Villareal and a Milan team who finish 2nd in Serie A to make the final yet beating Villareal in a final is too big of an ask

Sounds like you should be in charge then?
Honestly!? Using one of the best performances we’ve had in recent years to criticise him

It was a great result but the performance was far from great. I think almost every United fan has to admit we were lucky.

 

[The Oracle]

Utd have been smashing transfer records since the invention the wheel

I did correct it and say:

Money + a ruthless streak (moving on manager's without hesitation) = trophies

Also, having a top class manager helps a lot.

We're content with a manager who is completely out of his depth; and are seemingly about to award his cluelessness with 3 more years at the club.

I can easily separate Ole the player, and Ole the manager...

one is a club legend, the other is a lottery winner.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I did correct it and say:

Money + a ruthless streak (moving on manager's without hesitation) = trophies

Also, having a top class manager helps a lot.

We're content with a manager who is completely out of his depth; and are seemingly about to award his cluelessness with 3 more years at the club.

I can easily separate Ole the player, and Ole the manager...

one is a club legend, the other is a lottery winner.

Unfortunately a lot can't, including some ex players. Juventus got rid of one of their legends without batting an eyelid.

 

[Wilt]

I did correct it and say:

Money + a ruthless streak (moving on manager's without hesitation) = trophies

Also, having a top class manager helps a lot.

We're content with a manager who is completely out of his depth; and are seemingly about to award his cluelessness with 3 more years at the club.

I can easily separate Ole the player, and Ole the manager...

one is a club legend, the other is a lottery winner.

well said

 

[Giggsyking]

Yeah, I am pretty sure I do. I am trying hard to not insult anyone in here, but I do wonder what you guys do in real life. Must be a lot of successful people in here.

I am pretty satisfied with my life. What does this have to do with football though? As usual and as we proved it over the past year, you Ole fans are only here to harass, bully and sometimes insult anyone criticize him. That is when you know they have nothing left to defend him.

 

[EngimaMK]

Look what Tuchel has done for Chelsea. Bringing in a top manager with nouse has turned a team of also rans into CL winners. We need to follow their lead and get a decent manager in.

Ole is clueless with substitutions and ingame management.

 

[Womp]

Once again, what about Ole justifies the possibility that he can turn this around? Apart from the fact that we all like him being a legend and all. His record winning trophies is terrible for a manager that's supposedly one of the best in the World - so he doesn't have a history of success to put faith in.

We haven't improved as a collective much, if at all, in almost 3 years under him, do you honestly see it improving to the level required with a few more signings? We still set up as the underdogs against any team that can play football. The pressing, passing and movement in the team is very poor, lethargic and slow the majority of the time.

Is it his tactical ability? He is still making rookie mistakes like 10 years into management or whatever it is. He isn't some new kid on the block, a top manager with his experience wouldn't still have such a difficult time influencing games. The refusal to make subs, the refusal to use squad players, playing players through injury etc.

Is it his man management that gives people hope? Surely no-one genuinely thinks with the level of coaching in Europe these days that that only is nearly enough. Genuinely don't understand it, it's like people are so desperate for him to be the one purely due to his status at the club and cause they're probably scared that this is once again another failed appointment.

Only way I see us winning major trophies consistently under him is if he gets in some genuine World class coaches who can take responsibility or if we build a squad that is just far superior to our opposition that his clear deficiencies are basically rendered moot. The latter I really don't see happening with how talented squads are these days.

 

[Godfather]

Yeah, I am pretty sure I do. I am trying hard to not insult anyone in here, but I do wonder what you guys do in real life. Must be a lot of successful people in here.

What a stupid thing to say holy shit. Go and have a few days off mate you are embarrassing yourself

 

[Godfather]

Serial Bottler

Just got to a final of a EL & our highest league position for a few years and he’s a bottler.

Sure we’ve got to a few semi finals but now we’ve got to a final and lost on penalties, if that’s not even more signs of progress I don’t know what is. Less of a bottler than the CAF’s guilty love Brendan Rogers!

This forum expects insane success with the players that we have, it ain’t gonna happen. Ole needs players and he needs investment this summer.

Tuchel would NOT have won the EL with these players. They’re not good enough. We need more Bruno standard players which we don’t have.

Wow you are wrong with every single sentence there. Quite an achievement.

 

[Giggsyking]

Serial Bottler

Just got to a final of a EL & our highest league position for a few years and he’s a bottler.

Sure we’ve got to a few semi finals but now we’ve got to a final and lost on penalties, if that’s not even more signs of progress I don’t know what is. Less of a bottler than the CAF’s guilty love Brendan Rogers!

This forum expects insane success with the players that we have, it ain’t gonna happen. Ole needs players and he needs investment this summer.

Tuchel would NOT have won the EL with these players. They’re not good enough. We need more Bruno standard players which we don’t have.

We shouldn't be in the EL in the first place, the standard of mediocrity that Ole successfully planted in the heads of some fans.

 

[Womp]

Yeah, I am pretty sure I do. I am trying hard to not insult anyone in here, but I do wonder what you guys do in real life. Must be a lot of successful people in here.

Not sure about successful, but if I underperformed for 2 and a half years I wouldn't have a relentless cult backing me to turn things around like Ole seems to have.

 

[Polar]

Top managers lose all the time, but they also WIN. What happen to Pep, he lost the UCL but won the league. What happened to Tuchel lost the FA but won the UCL. Klopp will win again for sure. It's unreal how you can use one defeat to try to compare those top managers to Ole, ridiculous really.

Small margins in football. Chelsea have had a great season, but they wasn’t far away from total fiasco: Outside top 4 and no trophy.

We’ve had a good season, but was very close to a great season, but was an undeserved loss away from it.

To say Tuchel is in a different league than Ole (because of one trophy) is ridiculous. Yesterday he secured his first international trophy - after disappointing international results with PSG.

Pep is the only manager who really stands out among international managers.

 

[EngimaMK]

Yeah, I am pretty sure I do. I am trying hard to not insult anyone in here, but I do wonder what you guys do in real life. Must be a lot of successful people in here.

What a crock.... Can you only criticise a band's latest album of you have a platinum record yourself? Can you only scrutinise politicians after a spell on the front benches yourself? Why the help can't people criticise football performances unless they are "successful people" themselves? Utter nonsense

 

[Giggsyking]

Once again, what about Ole justifies the possibility that he can turn this around? Apart from the fact that we all like him being a legend and all. His record winning trophies is terrible for a manager that's supposedly one of the best in the World - so he doesn't have a history of success to put faith in.

We haven't improved as a collective much, if at all, in almost 3 years under him, do you honestly see it improving to the level required with a few more signings? We still set up as the underdogs against any team that can play football. The pressing, passing and movement in the team is very poor, lethargic and slow the majority of the time.

Is it his tactical ability? He is still making rookie mistakes like 10 years into management or whatever it is. He isn't some new kid on the block, a top manager with his experience wouldn't still have such a difficult time influencing games. The refusal to make subs, the refusal to use squad players, playing players through injury etc.

Is it his man management that gives people hope? Surely no-one genuinely thinks with the level of coaching in Europe these days that that only is nearly enough. Genuinely don't understand it, it's like people are so desperate for him to be the one purely due to his status at the club and cause they're probably scared that this is once again another failed appointment.

Only way I see us winning major trophies consistently under him is if he gets in some genuine World class coaches who can take responsibility or if we build a squad that is just far superior to our opposition that his clear deficiencies are basically rendered moot. The latter I really don't see happening with how talented squads are these days.

Not only world class coaches, but also world class players in every position.

 

[Womp]

Not only world class coaches, but also world class players in every position.

Don't forget a world class bench too, so he is finally comfortable in utilizing the whole purpose of having a squad larger than 11 players for once.

 

[Giggsyking]

What a crock.... Can you only criticise a band's latest album of you have a platinum record yourself? Can you only scrutinise politicians after a spell on the front benches yourself? Why the help can't people criticise football performances unless they are "successful people" themselves? Utter nonsense

The lengths they will go to defend Ole, they dont care if they insult people (despite his hard efforts not to insult anyone here according to him) to defend him.

 

[Tony247]

Last two years I don't remember matches where people said 'wow, that was Ole's tactical masterclass'. He is a very good man manager but I don't think he has out of the box thinking, or on the spot thinking in him.

Because Ole is not a tactician his team will carry very low probability of winning in cups, especially knock out stages, or in do-or-die matches. He has good chance of winning PL though if he assesmbles right players because in long run some tactical deficiencies can be compensated. Cups are different challenge though.

 

[Leftback99]

Small margins in football. Chelsea have had a great season, but they wasn’t far away from total fiasco: Outside top 4 and no trophy.

We’ve had a good season, but was very close to a great season, but was an undeserved loss away from it.

To say Tuchel is in a different league than Ole (because of one trophy) is ridiculous. Yesterday he secured his first international trophy - after disappointing international results with PSG.

Pep is the only manager who really stands out among international managers.

True. Just 1 or 2 penalty kicks go differently and most of the posters ranting in here would still be silent like they were when we were winning games.

 

[DJ_21]

It’s funny how when we lose people go mad and want ole out saying he’s not tactical enough but when we beat city and PSG Oles a genius. How long did it take fergie to win his first trophy? This squad is still young and not consistent enough, we need a few more additions and that includes players with experience.

 

[JG3001]

It’s cringe reading the amount of excuses people post in here. Ole is like having your dad manage the team, he gets on with everybody, has a laugh, but deep down you know he’s crap and you just don’t have the heart to tell him.

Get over your sentimentality and just admit he’s not up to task. We’ll be nothing more than a top 4 scrapper with him in charge. The fact that no other club in the top leagues would hire him if he was sacked should tell you all you need to know.

 

[anant]

Small margins in football. Chelsea have had a great season, but they wasn’t far away from total fiasco: Outside top 4 and no trophy.

We’ve had a good season, but was very close to a great season, but was an undeserved loss away from it.

To say Tuchel is in a different league than Ole (because of one trophy) is ridiculous. Yesterday he secured his first international trophy - after disappointing international results with PSG.

Pep is the only manager who really stands out among international managers.

The thing is had Chelsea lost yesterday, everyone would be calling Tuchel a bottler - lost CL finals last year, FA Cup final this year and almost bottled Top 4 this year only to be saved by Leicester's bottlejob.

 

[Berbasbullet]

It’s cringe reading the amount of excuses people post in here. Ole is like having your dad manage the team, he gets on with everybody, has a laugh, but deep down you know he’s crap and you just don’t have the heart to tell him.

Get over your sentimentality and just admit he’s not up to task. We’ll be nothing more than a top 4 scrapper with him in charge. The fact that no other club in the top leagues would hire him if he was sacked should tell you all you need to know.

Yet, we keep improving with him?

 

[Godfather]

Yet, we keep improving with him?

Since when?

 

[Berbasbullet]

Since when?

Since Ole joined? We have progressed in a number of ways (league position, etc).

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

Unfortunately a lot can't, including some ex players. Juventus got rid of one of their legends without batting an eyelid.

And a certain club from London who have a certain trophy in their hands this morning.....

Some may say it’s overly simplistic but the best coaches tend to deliver the best results. Clearly Tuchel, Klopp, Pep (& I’m now including Rodgers too) are the best coaches in our league and then take a look at the recent PL, domestic cup & CL trophy haul between them.

I compare us to Chelsea under Lampard, another club legend. Their owner acted and he still left a club legend (as Ole would if he was dismissed), we still sit here rejoicing a second place finish in the league.

 

[keithsingleton]

Serial bottler is not what Ole is. He's just not got the technical nous to do what Pep-Klopp & Tochel can do presently and probably never will. Fans have to forget what he did as a player and whats hes trying to do as a manager.

Ole stuggles with his game plan and doesnt know how to adapt to a plan b or c. He spends so much time sat on the bench whereas the 3 managers ive mentioned all have the ability to get on touchline and shout abuse at his players to change formation/tactics etc etc.

Even if we get the 3 or 4 players we desperately need i still question very seriously Ole's ability to win the Premier League. Our rivals love Ole for all the wrong reasons sadly.

 

[Wilt]

Wow you are wrong with every single sentence there. Quite an achievement.

Yep

 

[JG3001]

Yet, we keep improving with him?

Depends on your standards really, on paper he’s improved marginally, personally I’d argue that luck has gone his way more often than not. the number of games he’s comfortably won is single digits.

Too many people are in love with the idea of an ex player taking the club to the very top, their blind to the obvious flaws. He’s bottled it at every critical juncture to date. Does not have the nous to influence the game. Knows he’s won the lottery managing the club and doing his best to just not balls it up.

 

[keithsingleton]

Since Ole joined? We have progressed in a number of ways (league position, etc).

Apart from Ole getting some decent signings what has he progressed in? Please don't say second in the league as that's just the same as finishing 4th.