Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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He had all three at the start of this season along with a year and a half in the job before that and he got knocked out of the group stage.

He also knocked out Tuchel's team without any of them, a month into his job. Its tiring to see you guys come into this thread and bitch every time a new manager at a different club has a good result.
 
More than 25 years experience of working in news. For main stream papers and publications, editors tend not to write headlines except for the front page or something special, even then that's quite often done in meetings depending on your editor. Sub editors generally write headlines and can in some cases change copy quite drastically, people fight over it sometimes but I've certainly never heard of anyone resigning. Sub editors are where the power lies!

Thank you... Thought I was going mad there for minute :lol:
 
That Istanbul loss comes back to haunt me now that we see how much the CL quality have dropped. We could have been in the final and had a fair chance of winning it as well.

Also, «trust the progress» sounds abit hollow when you see how far Tuchel has gotten this Chelsea team already. Yes, they have a better squad than us , but still...
Just shows how shit a job lampard was doing. There is a reason why before the season started everyone were fearing Chelsea.
 
Klopp on Solskjaer: “It's nice to see when the quality of a manager is more important than the experience you have. If you need to have 50 Champions League games as a manager before taking on a club like Man Utd, it'll be tricky to find one because there are not a lot of coaches out there with that experience. I think it's clear if Ole wouldn't have had successful history at Manchester United as a player then probably not so many people at United would've thought about him. But, because he did a brilliant job in Molde & has a Manchester history, that was the idea & nobody knew how it would work. It worked absolutely sensationally from the beginning and then had a little dip and now they look really good and he deserves credit for that together with his coaches. I'm happy for him to be honest because I'm really happy for a colleague to do really well and that's what he does.”
 
He had all three at the start of this season along with a year and a half in the job before that and he got knocked out of the group stage.

Why do people make such a fuss about us getting knocked out in the group stage? Group stages are largely based on luck in group draws which we got the short end of. I mean we beat 2 of last years Semi Finalists and only got knocked out because Martial missed open goals and Fred got a second yellow for a challenge that wasn't even a foul.

Apart from that we've been one of the best teams in Europe all season. People need to stop overvaluing performance in the Champions League. Its a cup competition and strange things can happen there like Spurs getting to a final. I genuinely don't care too much if we get knocked out in the group stage every now and again as long as we're are there or thereabouts in the league. Thats the bread and butter.
 
You are comparing Ole arriving into a situation with Lingard, Pereira, Lukaku etc playing key roles to the situation Tuchel arrived in with Havertz, Pulisic, Kante and Werner already in the squad. If you wanted a similar comparison, imagine Ole arriving with Bruno, Cavani and Maguire already in the team.

Tuchel had the benefit of having a squad which was furnished with £250m of additions. Remind me, what did we have again? How many genuine first teamers did we buy? And lest we forget, we finished on equal points last season. For Ole to have us where we are after no preseason, a horrendous start and a heavily compacted season, is fantastic. Yes the CL was disappointing, and criticism is due for it, but our group was a bloody difficult one compared almost all the others and at the outset most would have had us finishing third.

Logically I know this as I wrote, the pain is still there though.
 
We'll be heading for a title challenge next season. Ole has improved so much as a manager since coming in and he's moulded a very good team, with a strong squad. With some shrewd acquisitions and some promotions from the youth teams, we'll be a damn good force next season.

All that on top of a solid second place finish and probable EL win and it's all very exciting.

I still think we are a season away. We just dont have the depth in key positions. Bruno, RW and CB.

City can change 7 players and have no discernable drop off in quality. Then we also have to look at Chelsea's young squad depth. They have reloaded in a major way and have now integrated well.

I still think we need another season to build depth to compete with those two -- some of which I hope will come from the Academy --- key ones are a couple of seasons away or we plug the gaps with transfers.

At the same time, I hope we don't do a Chelsea's bulk buying summer transfer approach -- was just too heavy a load to integrate so many at the same time.
 
More than 25 years experience of working in news. For main stream papers and publications, editors tend not to write headlines except for the front page or something special, even then that's quite often done in meetings depending on your editor. Sub editors generally write headlines and can in some cases change copy quite drastically, people fight over it sometimes but I've certainly never heard of anyone resigning. Sub editors are where the power lies!
What you call a sub editor is called 'lector' in my country. They wield significant power but they don't "generally write headlines". They proofread and they correct. If there's an egregious grammatical or spelling error they will set it right without a second thought, but if the correction involves a stylistic alteration, you would normally correct it while consulting the author with an agreeable "don't you think this is better?" or "I'm changing it to this, just so you know". If the change involves not just style or emphasis, but meaning, this consultation is likely to take place a fortiori.

The likelihood of an 'intervention' increases depending on the journalistic genre. It's more common in factography and it's extremely rare in interpretive and analytic genres. If I was writing analytic genres and someone insisted on writing my headlines for me all the time, without a word of consultation I would most definitely resign.

Lectors and editors will hold talks with new journalists outlining general expectations, direction and abstract preferences. Then they will go over texts with the author to show specific examples so he can know what their expectations are.
After the initial period though, you are generally expected to come up with your own headlines. They are of course subject to change for a myriad of reasons, but you should never expect that the lector should come up with a headline for you constantly, unless you are working at a tabloid.
 
I still think we are a season away. We just dont have the depth in key positions. Bruno, RW and CB.

City can change 7 players and have no discernable drop off in quality. Then we also have to look at Chelsea's young squad depth. They have reloaded in a major way and have now integrated well.

I still think we need another season to build depth to compete with those two -- some of which I hope will come from the Academy --- key ones are a couple of seasons away or we plug the gaps with transfers.

At the same time, I hope we don't do a Chelsea's bulk buying summer transfer approach -- was just too heavy a load to integrate so many at the same time.

I do agree we need more quality in our squad, but we did beat City multiple times this season and our record against the top teams under Ole is quite good. What we are lacking is consistency in terms of finishing lower teams off and to avoid the occasional defense lapses. If we didnt have that slow start this season I would have said we'd be locked with City for the PL this season. I'd say 3 more signings (CB to partner Harry) a RW and a proper DM and I can see us as contenders for the PL next season.
 
I think this is the most I've felt optimistic about a United team in eight years. Genuinely think with a good summer of signings and a new contract for Pogba we can challenge next season. We need to finish the season strong by winning the EL and get the monkey off our back.

I’ve got zero expectations for the summer. Just look at the wasted opportunity last summer. This season has essentially been the same team as last season + free transfer Cavani getting occasional games. We would have been challenging already this season if we had sorted out a couple of the glaring issues in the starting XI. The leeches will continue to bleed us dry.
 
This is just completely ignorance tbh.

All coaches/managers, even the worst have an idea of how his team should play. Problem is:

1. The idea is right?

2. The idea is suited to the players currently available to him? Or can he find/afford the suitable ones?

LVG clearly fecked up both. Jose as well. Ole is the only one so far got both right.
Ole got it right? Are you so gullible to announce that already given Ole hasn't won anything and LvG and Jose did.
 
I still think we are a season away. We just dont have the depth in key positions. Bruno, RW and CB.

City can change 7 players and have no discernable drop off in quality. Then we also have to look at Chelsea's young squad depth. They have reloaded in a major way and have now integrated well.

I still think we need another season to build depth to compete with those two -- some of which I hope will come from the Academy --- key ones are a couple of seasons away or we plug the gaps with transfers.

At the same time, I hope we don't do a Chelsea's bulk buying summer transfer approach -- was just too heavy a load to integrate so many at the same time.

You're massively underrating the quality of our squad.

Looking back a season, Liverpool didn't have a second 11 to fall back on and they won a title. The narrative of Citys squad being an insurmountable obstacle for us to navigate needs to stop. We're within touching distance this year, next year we most definitely need to be making a challenge and not be looking to the next season by Xmas.
 
I still think we are a season away. We just dont have the depth in key positions. Bruno, RW and CB.

City can change 7 players and have no discernable drop off in quality. Then we also have to look at Chelsea's young squad depth. They have reloaded in a major way and have now integrated well.

I still think we need another season to build depth to compete with those two -- some of which I hope will come from the Academy --- key ones are a couple of seasons away or we plug the gaps with transfers.

At the same time, I hope we don't do a Chelsea's bulk buying summer transfer approach -- was just too heavy a load to integrate so many at the same time.
Agreed. And any success next season is heavily dependent upon Ole getting the necessary backing in the transfer market. He's worked a minor miracle with a squad that is predominantly made up of players who Jose either didn't want or rate particularly highly. Only three first team players have been added - all of whom were purchased for last season rather than this (four if we're being generous and include Cavani). We at the very least need a RW and either a CB or DM, and we should see some real progression from the team next season.
 
I’ve got zero expectations for the summer. Just look at the wasted opportunity last summer. This season has essentially been the same team as last season + free transfer Cavani getting occasional games. We would have been challenging already this season if we had sorted out a couple of the glaring issues in the starting XI. The leeches will continue to bleed us dry.
This is my worry too, not gonna lie.
 
You're massively underrating the quality of our squad.

Looking back a season, Liverpool didn't have a second 11 to fall back on and they won a title. The narrative of Citys squad being an insurmountable obstacle for us to navigate needs to stop. We're within touching distance this year, next year we most definitely need to be making a challenge and not be looking to the next season by Xmas.

Wonder how we ended up with such a good squad?
 
What he shouldn't repeat is that the Glazers love the club.
Agreed.

However on a side note I'd say technically he's probably not wrong.

A farmer would love his cow which gives him milk everyday despite the fact he'd take his axe and chop that same cow to some nice steaks once the cow is too old and couldn't produce anymore milk.

Imo the Glazers may very well have that same kind of love toward United :D
 
Seems he doesn't understand why Sunday happened either
Could you clarify? What doesn't he understand? Because I think he understands perfectly well why it happened, and nothing he said at the presser suggests otherwise.
 
Could you clarify? What doesn't he understand? Because I think he understands perfectly well why it happened, and nothing he said at the presser suggests otherwise.
I seen snippets of quotes online and it seemed to indicate he thought it was because of lack of success on the pitch, similar to sourness.

Also through shade and neville and carragher for their support of it.

Is that not the case?
 
I do agree we need more quality in our squad, but we did beat City multiple times this season and our record against the top teams under Ole is quite good. What we are lacking is consistency in terms of finishing lower teams off and to avoid the occasional defense lapses. If we didnt have that slow start this season I would have said we'd be locked with City for the PL this season. I'd say 3 more signings (CB to partner Harry) a RW and a proper DM and I can see us as contenders for the PL next season.

Well, that was more true last season than this. This year, our struggles have been mainly with the top teams, where all we have to show is one win against City and one against Tottenham (unless you count West Ham, of course). The problem is still too many draws (we have the same number of losses as City), but this year the majority of those have been against big 6 (Liverpool, Arsenal, City, 2 against Chelsea) + Leicester. Last year, they were typically against mid- and low table teams.
 
Ole got it right? Are you so gullible to announce that already given Ole hasn't won anything and LvG and Jose did.

That's not gullible, it's true. We are in a better place now than we ever were under either of them, and FA cups, League cups and Big Vases means feck all when it comes to that.
 
I seen snippets of quotes online and it seemed to indicate he thought it was because of lack of success on the pitch, similar to sourness.

Also through shade and neville and carragher for their support of it.

Is that not the case?

I didn't get that impression at all. He said a few times that his focus is on getting results and that they want to win for the fans but I don't think he was suggesting success had any bearing on the protests.

He seemed to avoid talking about the reason for it, although he wasn't asked about that directly I don't think. He did say we need to listen to fans. The protest comments are all at the start.

 
I’ve got zero expectations for the summer. Just look at the wasted opportunity last summer. This season has essentially been the same team as last season + free transfer Cavani getting occasional games. We would have been challenging already this season if we had sorted out a couple of the glaring issues in the starting XI. The leeches will continue to bleed us dry.
One marquee signing and a couple of others through sales is what's being reported. Could be enough if we spend right but we'll see. My biggest worry right now is Pogba staying. At this point it's vital he does.
 
This is just completely ignorance tbh.

All coaches/managers, even the worst have an idea of how his team should play. Problem is:

1. The idea is right?

2. The idea is suited to the players currently available to him? Or can he find/afford the suitable ones?

LVG clearly fecked up both. Jose as well. Ole is the only one so far got both right.
“If” Ole wins the Europa, he will have only accomplished what Jose already has. The Europa cup, second in the league.
 
“If” Ole wins the Europa, he will have only accomplished what Jose already has. The Europa cup, second in the league.

If we are talking about just the trophies then you are right. But look at how disastrous the season after went for Jose and the team and how he ended up being sacked simply because he had no long-term plan. His plan was just to cause rift between players, sign established players and forget about the youth (which is United's DNA) then get his fat paycheck and gets sacked. I'd say we can really judge Ole after he wins the EL and how we start next season, but I feel quite positive as the attitude of the players is there, they are happy, they are fighting for the manager on the pitch and the bringing in youth players with huge potential (Amad, Pellistri), pushing Greenwood into that central role more just makes you feel that there is a direction for this team at last, bringing in Cavani, this team is the closest to resemble SAF's teams since he retired, the mix between youth and experience, the last minute goals, the fighting spirit etc. Jose was just bad business for the club.
 
None of them got it right. I am simply saying 2 of the 3 actually won something at least.

I hear what you are saying but I think on the whole Solskjaer has got more right than the other two and we actually seem to be building towards something sustainable.

Hopefully we win the Europa this year but it's pretty meaningless if we don't kick on next year and the players and manager have said as much lately which is great to hear.
 
I hear what you are saying but I think on the whole Solskjaer has got more right than the other two and we actually seem to be building towards something sustainable.

Hopefully we win the Europa this year but it's pretty meaningless if we don't kick on next year and the players and manager have said as much lately which is great to hear.
Fair enough. I agree if we can't deliver PL or CL next year Ole has to go. CFC have proven it time and again there is no need to give every manager 3-5 years to get it right.
 
Did you see the fixtures Chelsea had compared to us?
Manchester united getting knocked out of the group stages is embarassing regardless of what other clubs do.

He also knocked out Tuchel's team without any of them, a month into his job. Its tiring to see you guys come into this thread and bitch every time a new manager at a different club has a good result.
and thats been the highlight of his mediocre reign

Why do people make such a fuss about us getting knocked out in the group stage? Group stages are largely based on luck in group draws which we got the short end of. I mean we beat 2 of last years Semi Finalists and only got knocked out because Martial missed open goals and Fred got a second yellow for a challenge that wasn't even a foul.

Apart from that we've been one of the best teams in Europe all season. People need to stop overvaluing performance in the Champions League. Its a cup competition and strange things can happen there like Spurs getting to a final. I genuinely don't care too much if we get knocked out in the group stage every now and again as long as we're are there or thereabouts in the league. Thats the bread and butter.
Reducing it to that is delusional. People make a fuss about it because we are Manchester united and we have high expectations of our team. You can't be one of the best teams in europe if you have been playing in the second tier competition for most of the European campaign
 
Manchester united getting knocked out of the group stages is embarassing regardless of what other clubs do.


and thats been the highlight of his mediocre reign


Reducing it to that is delusional. People make a fuss about it because we are Manchester united and we have high expectations of our team. You can't be one of the best teams in europe if you have been playing in the second tier competition for most of the European campaign
Mediocre reign.
Good grief, agenda driven nonsense.
 
I hear what you are saying but I think on the whole Solskjaer has got more right than the other two and we actually seem to be building towards something sustainable.

Hopefully we win the Europa this year but it's pretty meaningless if we don't kick on next year and the players and manager have said as much lately which is great to hear.

He definitely seems to have "got it" better than anyone post SAF. However on here recently, people only talk in absolutes.

While, on the whole, the feeling is much better around the club under Ole, I certainly appreciate those posters who don't feel he's proved anything in comparison to the two previous managers who bagged a trophy or two. Objectively that is the only way to measure success, yet subjective things are often bandied around as fact.

For some he will not be considered a success until he wins a trophy, something he seems on course for this season, and that is completely understandable.
 
He definitely seems to have "got it" better than anyone post SAF. However on here recently, people only talk in absolutes.

While, on the whole, the feeling is much better around the club under Ole, I certainly appreciate those posters who don't feel he's proved anything in comparison to the two previous managers who bagged a trophy or two. Objectively that is the only way to measure success, yet subjective things are often bandied around as fact.

For some he will not be considered a success until he wins a trophy, something he seems on course for this season, and that is completely understandable.

Yeah and that's understandable, although I'm fairly sure there's a few who'll immediately pivot to he hasn't won a major trophy :lol:
 
Fair enough. I agree if we can't deliver PL or CL next year Ole has to go. CFC have proven it time and again there is no need to give every manager 3-5 years to get it right.

Maybe IF we get all his targets this summer this would be an correct standard to hold him to. I'd still give him another year for it though.

If we still play a 19-year old, Dan James or Rashford on RW, McFred pivot and Linda + Maguire in defence I really dont see any manager doing so very much better than he has.
 
Fair enough. I agree if we can't deliver PL or CL next year Ole has to go. CFC have proven it time and again there is no need to give every manager 3-5 years to get it right.

I didnt say that! :lol:

I think that's incredibly short-sighted. What if we make the CL semi and get close to 90pts pipped by City?

It would be madness to fire him in that scenario.
 
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