He also knocked out Tuchel's team without any of them, a month into his job. Its tiring to see you guys come into this thread and bitch every time a new manager at a different club has a good result.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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He also knocked out Tuchel's team without any of them, a month into his job. Its tiring to see you guys come into this thread and bitch every time a new manager at a different club has a good result.
Just shows how shit a job lampard was doing. There is a reason why before the season started everyone were fearing Chelsea.
Klopp on Solskjaer: “It's nice to see when the quality of a manager is more important than the experience you have. If you need to have 50 Champions League games as a manager before taking on a club like Man Utd, it'll be tricky to find one because there are not a lot of coaches out there with that experience. I think it's clear if Ole wouldn't have had successful history at Manchester United as a player then probably not so many people at United would've thought about him. But, because he did a brilliant job in Molde & has a Manchester history, that was the idea & nobody knew how it would work. It worked absolutely sensationally from the beginning and then had a little dip and now they look really good and he deserves credit for that together with his coaches. I'm happy for him to be honest because I'm really happy for a colleague to do really well and that's what he does.”
Why do people make such a fuss about us getting knocked out in the group stage? Group stages are largely based on luck in group draws which we got the short end of. I mean we beat 2 of last years Semi Finalists and only got knocked out because Martial missed open goals and Fred got a second yellow for a challenge that wasn't even a foul.
Apart from that we've been one of the best teams in Europe all season. People need to stop overvaluing performance in the Champions League. Its a cup competition and strange things can happen there like Spurs getting to a final. I genuinely don't care too much if we get knocked out in the group stage every now and again as long as we're are there or thereabouts in the league. Thats the bread and butter.
Logically I know this as I wrote, the pain is still there though.
I still think we are a season away. We just dont have the depth in key positions. Bruno, RW and CB.
City can change 7 players and have no discernable drop off in quality. Then we also have to look at Chelsea's young squad depth. They have reloaded in a major way and have now integrated well.
I still think we need another season to build depth to compete with those two -- some of which I hope will come from the Academy --- key ones are a couple of seasons away or we plug the gaps with transfers.
At the same time, I hope we don't do a Chelsea's bulk buying summer transfer approach -- was just too heavy a load to integrate so many at the same time.
What you call a sub editor is called 'lector' in my country. They wield significant power but they don't "generally write headlines". They proofread and they correct. If there's an egregious grammatical or spelling error they will set it right without a second thought, but if the correction involves a stylistic alteration, you would normally correct it while consulting the author with an agreeable "don't you think this is better?" or "I'm changing it to this, just so you know". If the change involves not just style or emphasis, but meaning, this consultation is likely to take place a fortiori.
The likelihood of an 'intervention' increases depending on the journalistic genre. It's more common in factography and it's extremely rare in interpretive and analytic genres. If I was writing analytic genres and someone insisted on writing my headlines for me all the time, without a word of consultation I would most definitely resign.
Lectors and editors will hold talks with new journalists outlining general expectations, direction and abstract preferences. Then they will go over texts with the author to show specific examples so he can know what their expectations are.
After the initial period though, you are generally expected to come up with your own headlines. They are of course subject to change for a myriad of reasons, but you should never expect that the lector should come up with a headline for you constantly, unless you are working at a tabloid.
I do agree we need more quality in our squad, but we did beat City multiple times this season and our record against the top teams under Ole is quite good. What we are lacking is consistency in terms of finishing lower teams off and to avoid the occasional defense lapses. If we didnt have that slow start this season I would have said we'd be locked with City for the PL this season. I'd say 3 more signings (CB to partner Harry) a RW and a proper DM and I can see us as contenders for the PL next season.
I’ve got zero expectations for the summer. Just look at the wasted opportunity last summer. This season has essentially been the same team as last season + free transfer Cavani getting occasional games. We would have been challenging already this season if we had sorted out a couple of the glaring issues in the starting XI. The leeches will continue to bleed us dry.
Ole got it right? Are you so gullible to announce that already given Ole hasn't won anything and LvG and Jose did.
You're massively underrating the quality of our squad.
Looking back a season, Liverpool didn't have a second 11 to fall back on and they won a title. The narrative of Citys squad being an insurmountable obstacle for us to navigate needs to stop. We're within touching distance this year, next year we most definitely need to be making a challenge and not be looking to the next season by Xmas.
Agreed. And any success next season is heavily dependent upon Ole getting the necessary backing in the transfer market. He's worked a minor miracle with a squad that is predominantly made up of players who Jose either didn't want or rate particularly highly. Only three first team players have been added - all of whom were purchased for last season rather than this (four if we're being generous and include Cavani). We at the very least need a RW and either a CB or DM, and we should see some real progression from the team next season.
This is my worry too, not gonna lie.
Wonder how we ended up with such a good squad?
Agreed.
However on a side note I'd say technically he's probably not wrong.
A farmer would love his cow which gives him milk everyday despite the fact he'd take his axe and chop that same cow to some nice steaks once the cow is too old and couldn't produce anymore milk.
Imo the Glazers may very well have that same kind of love toward United
Neither was Pogba, Shaw, Fred, etc. when Ole arrived.
Could you clarify? What doesn't he understand? Because I think he understands perfectly well why it happened, and nothing he said at the presser suggests otherwise.
I seen snippets of quotes online and it seemed to indicate he thought it was because of lack of success on the pitch, similar to sourness.
Also through shade and neville and carragher for their support of it.
Is that not the case?
Well, that was more true last season than this. This year, our struggles have been mainly with the top teams, where all we have to show is one win against City and one against Tottenham (unless you count West Ham, of course). The problem is still too many draws (we have the same number of losses as City), but this year the majority of those have been against big 6 (Liverpool, Arsenal, City, 2 against Chelsea) + Leicester. Last year, they were typically against mid- and low table teams.
That's not gullible, it's true. We are in a better place now than we ever were under either of them, and FA cups, League cups and Big Vases means feck all when it comes to that.
I didn't get that impression at all. He said a few times that his focus is on getting results and that they want to win for the fans but I don't think he was suggesting success had any bearing on the protests.
He seemed to avoid talking about the reason for it, although he wasn't asked about that directly I don't think. He did say we need to listen to fans. The protest comments are all at the start.
Are you trying to claim LVG and Jose 'got it right' because they got a minor trophy or two?
One marquee signing and a couple of others through sales is what's being reported. Could be enough if we spend right but we'll see. My biggest worry right now is Pogba staying. At this point it's vital he does.
The season isn't over mate. Hopefully Ole will have his trophy later this month.
Indications are himself and Cavani will stay which would be fantastic.
“If” Ole wins the Europa, he will have only accomplished what Jose already has. The Europa cup, second in the league.
None of them got it right. I am simply saying 2 of the 3 actually won something at least.
If we are talking about just the trophies then you are right. But look at how disastrous the season after went for Jose and the team and how he ended up being sacked simply because he had no long-term plan. His plan was just to cause rift between players, sign established players and forget about the youth (which is United's DNA) then get his fat paycheck and gets sacked. I'd say we can really judge Ole after he wins the EL and how we start next season, but I feel quite positive as the attitude of the players is there, they are happy, they are fighting for the manager on the pitch and the bringing in youth players with huge potential (Amad, Pellistri), pushing Greenwood into that central role more just makes you feel that there is a direction for this team at last, bringing in Cavani, this team is the closest to resemble SAF's teams since he retired, the mix between youth and experience, the last minute goals, the fighting spirit etc. Jose was just bad business for the club.
I hear what you are saying but I think on the whole Solskjaer has got more right than the other two and we actually seem to be building towards something sustainable.
Hopefully we win the Europa this year but it's pretty meaningless if we don't kick on next year and the players and manager have said as much lately which is great to hear.
Fair enough. I agree if we can't deliver PL or CL next year Ole has to go. CFC have proven it time and again there is no need to give every manager 3-5 years to get it right.
Manchester united getting knocked out of the group stages is embarassing regardless of what other clubs do.
and thats been the highlight of his mediocre reign
Reducing it to that is delusional. People make a fuss about it because we are Manchester united and we have high expectations of our team. You can't be one of the best teams in europe if you have been playing in the second tier competition for most of the European campaign
Mediocre reign.
Good grief, agenda driven nonsense.
He definitely seems to have "got it" better than anyone post SAF. However on here recently, people only talk in absolutes.
While, on the whole, the feeling is much better around the club under Ole, I certainly appreciate those posters who don't feel he's proved anything in comparison to the two previous managers who bagged a trophy or two. Objectively that is the only way to measure success, yet subjective things are often bandied around as fact.
For some he will not be considered a success until he wins a trophy, something he seems on course for this season, and that is completely understandable.
Yeah and that's understandable, although I'm fairly sure there's a few who'll immediately pivot to he hasn't won a major trophy
Maybe IF we get all his targets this summer this would be an correct standard to hold him to. I'd still give him another year for it though.
If we still play a 19-year old, Dan James or Rashford on RW, McFred pivot and Linda + Maguire in defence I really dont see any manager doing so very much better than he has.
Only match the greatest accomplishment of the Special One's career, not bad.
I didnt say that!
I think that's incredibly short-sighted. What if we make the CL semi and get close to 90pts pipped by City?
It would be madness to fire him in that scenario.
Some of us haven't lowered our standards is all.
I feel there's a happy medium between not lowering your standards and recognising the reality of the situation you're presented with and evaluating it objectively but maybe that's just me.
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