So they're world class when he bought them?
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So they're world class when he bought them?
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Why do you keep persistent on sides? You can just research it. Just look at average squad age at any side in the champions league or europa through the week. Not a single team will have our numbers and managed squad rotation the way we did. That is world class! And the way we are building our youth department and now have a short way for them to play in the first team is world class! We have looked like Dortmund with our youth set up the past weeks.
This very important for us not missing out on the “Bellingham’s” in the future. That’s nothing to discuss. We need to attract talent. My initial comment was spot on! World class squad and man management. Why do people change the subject and accuse me of moving goal posts? Some weird people in here..
What is wrong with you people? Why can’t people be happy with that? Didn’t even mentioned anything about the game other than that
Btw, a laughing smily at the end does not suggest any rants.
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Why do you keep persistent on sides? You can just research it. Just look at average squad age at any side in the champions league or europa through the week. Not a single team will have our numbers and managed squad rotation the way we did. That is world class! And the way we are building our youth department and now have a short way for them to play in the first team is world class! We have looked like Dortmund with our youth set up the past weeks.
This very important for us not missing out on the “Bellingham’s” in the future. That’s nothing to discuss. We need to attract talent.
What is wrong with you people? Why can’t people be happy with that? Didn’t even mentioned anything about the game other than that
No idea what this rant is about tbh.
You made a very odd passive aggressive comment about 'world class' something or other. When you were called out on the hyperbole, you resorted to further passive aggressive posts. Last night was a very unforgettable match and Ole rotated because of our busy schedule. It was nice to see Amad and Shola get a run out. No idea why you're so hysterical about it. You're coming across pretty odd.
No idea why people can't see this.
Oh shit look, its haram on page one.
I know everybody is sick of saying this next run of games is massive.... but this next run of games is massive! Beat Chelsea and we should hopefully pick up confidence and momentum and coast into second place. Lose and we are in a serious fight for top 4. I’m Ole in. I don’t think the board have made the squad good enough to compete fully yet but his job has to be in question if we somehow don’t make top 4 from the position we were in and given the money we are spending. We might not be spending it wisely but spending it we are.This isn’t going to end up like the CL group stages is it.... 
I’d say he has a lot of credit built up with the board for his work so far so even if we don’t make top 4 he’ll probably keep his job. The youth ethos seems to be informing recruitment decisions more than ever and I think that’s the way to go long term.
I’d say he has a lot of credit built up with the board for his work so far so even if we don’t make top 4 he’ll probably keep his job. The youth ethos seems to be informing recruitment decisions more than ever and I think that’s the way to go long term.
That would be the dumbest decision Woodward had ever made, and he has made a many.I know everybody is sick of saying this next run of games is massive.... but this next run of games is massive! Beat Chelsea and we should hopefully pick up confidence and momentum and coast into second place. Lose and we are in a serious fight for top 4. I’m Ole in. I don’t think the board have made the squad good enough to compete fully yet but his job has to be in question if we somehow don’t make top 4 from the position we were in and given the money we are spending. We might not be spending it wisely but spending it we are.This isn’t going to end up like the CL group stages is it....
I’d say he has a lot of credit built up with the board for his work so far so even if we don’t make top 4 he’ll probably keep his job. The youth ethos seems to be informing recruitment decisions more than ever and I think that’s the way to go long term.
There's also the small matter of not getting knocked of the Europa
I know everybody is sick of saying this next run of games is massive.... but this next run of games is massive! Beat Chelsea and we should hopefully pick up confidence and momentum and coast into second place. Lose and we are in a serious fight for top 4. I’m Ole in. I don’t think the board have made the squad good enough to compete fully yet but his job has to be in question if we somehow don’t make top 4 from the position we were in and given the money we are spending. We might not be spending it wisely but spending it we are.This isn’t going to end up like the CL group stages is it....
I’d say he has a lot of credit built up with the board for his work so far so even if we don’t make top 4 he’ll probably keep his job. The youth ethos seems to be informing recruitment decisions more than ever and I think that’s the way to go long term.
I don't think so. Not making top 4 from here would be a total failure. If they don't make top 4 he'd have to win the Europa for Ole to be safe.
I think we will get top 4 and Ole will have to keep building slowly. I worry we aren’t going to kick on in any meaningful way if the board don’t step up and that could end up costing Ole his job next season and then we are back to square one. Whatever happens and whoever is managing us if we want to be amongst the best we need to take a few more risks, sell some more players to reinvest if we have to and we could still be much more decisive in addressing shortcomings in the squad. I think we are most likely in for another quiet summer though...
Well the covid situation has fecked up a lot of plans. I can't see there being a huge amount of money around apart from Chelsea and oil clubs. There's a big danger that Chelsea exploit the deflated market further and get a big jump on us.
Talk of Chelsea having 300m to spend is scary.
I think Haaland will end up at Chelsea.
We are starting to see their signings kick on now too.They should be nailed on for top 4 for the next few years at the rate Roman is investing. Honestly if we went out and spent 2/300 million like Chelsea did last summer we would have such a good team. If we could sell the fringe players and one or two first teamers that don’t fit and reinvested we’d be flying it in no time. What could be done in a year is going to take us 3 years though most likely.
If we finished 2nd and 20 points off the top it be like mourinho 2nd season. The board then decided not too back him in the window which at the time was madness but proved too be right but still was the wrong decision as they should of backed him or sacked him and I feel that will happen with Ole this summer.
The board will be unsure of giving him 200m to try and catch City yet they won’t sack him as 2nd will be a step in the right direction.
The board will be unsure of giving him 200m to try and catch City yet they won’t sack him as 2nd will be a step in the right direction.
Regardless of where we finish, I'm not sure 200m is even possible at the moment with Covid and loss of revenue.
As for the comparison to Mourinho, I don't feel it's the same. I have serious doubts about Solskjaer's ability to take the team up to City level, or even less than that, but with Mourinho the team was dejected and it was clear that this was as far as it goes.
People really need to stop bringing up Mou's 2nd season every time. We finished 2nd that season not because of our squad or coach's abilities but because of one and only one reason - Dave's superhuman season.
The reason why Mou wasn't backed was because it was evident looking at the age profile of the side that the team he had assembled was looking at just the next 1-2 years and the players he was targeting weren't going to address this issue as well, which would mean that they'd have a massive rebuild job on their hands in a couple of seasons.
With Ole, apart from Matic, Mata and Cavani, none of the players are needed to be replaced because of age - and none them are regular starters bar Cavani. So, I do believe Ole will be given money to spend on players who fit the club's profile instead
Whilst I agree, you could use the exact same reasoning for Ole. If not for Bruno in January, he arguably wouldn't even be in a job anymore. Not to add, there has been a pattern to our form since Ole has come in with periods of good results, followed by periods of underwhelming results and a reliance on individual play - something that was also prevalent with Jose.
I think we'd be much better off giving Ole funds to rebuild because his recruitment and man management seems to be the best aspects of his managerial ability but to simply justify that season due to Dave's brilliance, but not justifying Ole's due to the brilliance of Rashford, Bruno etc. isn't fair imo.
It was more aimed at what I think of the owners and the board. I feel if we finish second then Ole has done well but we are still miles off City, Do you think he will be backed by the board to go and challenge them ? I was using Mourinhos season as a example just because he look likely to finish 2nd miles off City, I’m not comparing our performances as I hated us underJose
That would be a feckin disaster
Sorry to interrupt but I’d have to disagree on that. We’ve seen loans and free transfers and players at the end of their best brought in as short term fixes all though out the years, it’s just in the post Fergie years it’s been more prevalent and big budget. It seems to be a club policy almost. Basti, Falcao, Ighalo, Cavani, Zlatan, Matics long new contract. Matas last deal... all under different managers. The squad age thing was just a cop out with Jose. the reason Jose was sacked was because he totally lost the dressing room and our performances spiralled.
I doubt speaking out about the owners not backing him would have ever got him sacked if we were doing well. It sounded like he wanted players sold that the board had no intention of letting leave and he was pissed we didn’t fully back him when he came 2nd. Just a disaster of a situation all round really after his new deal! Ole definitely won’t make the same mistakes Jose did with the in fighting. If he has to build slow he will. He’s not going to rock the boat too much. I think he’ll make the hard calls if he’s given the freedom and means to make the changes.
I know, but I think it's likely with Abramovich looking to spend.
Wait I was in the fantasy thread for sure hahaha thanks for answering. I’m going Bruno I think.Wrong thread bro
If it helps I'm torn between Bruno and Son.
Ole needs to get a top class experienced coaching staff first of all. All these old boys club should be disbanded. SAF never had it because he knew he needed new ideas and United needed to see how others played so he got coaches outside of the United old boys club.
I think Ole is the first manager to come in who has actually tried to continue Fergie’s legacy. He’s the only one who is respecting it enough to try and follow on from it and not totally change everything to a new vision. The renewed youth set up, buying British players, style of football, family style club etc. I think his hiring of Utd players for youth coaches doesn’t make any difference to the first team whatsoever and it’s cool for the youth team players to have club legends coach them. That doesn’t mean I would be against him hiring some new coaches for the first team. By all means if it helps but it’s only really carrick there at the minute so hardly an old boys club.
When you're having difficulty just ask yourself "What would Ole do?"
Ole is lucky in some ways (and has made his own luck to an extent). But in terms of injuries and cup draws his luck has been pretty crap.
There has not been some sort of renewed set up under Ole. The players who have started to come in and around the first team have been in the youth teams for years - well before Ole arrived. You may argue Ole has more of a focus on youth than Mourinho but you could also argue LvG was more willing to play youth players than Ole. Only Greenwood has had multiple chances.
Sigh...Ole has targeted Bruno, Ighalo, Diallo, Haaland and Cavani for starters and also secured youth talent from across Europe. He targets players he thinks would suit United - they don't have to be British. The inference that previous recent managers did not target British players is also not true. Mourinho wanted a handful of British players as well such as Maguire and Dier. The moral of the story is that none of our recent managers care about whether a player is British or not.
Quite a few fans would disagree with you there.
What does this mean?
Eh? Ole has hired Phelan, Fletcher and Carrick as coaches for the first team - not for the youth team. So he has 5 "assistant managers" (main coaches) according to transfermarket and 3 of them are what you would consider "old boys club" and one is McKenna who was already coaching our youth teams and this is his first major job at first team level.
You're right but both Carrick and McKenna were brought into the first team set-up by Mourinho.
I do agree this old boys malarky is over blown. Carrick and Fletcher will have input but they are learning on the job and are likely doing what they are told for the most part.
Yes it has. Its an entirely new structure! From signings, coaching and involvement in the first team. Signings being the biggest difference.
Who is the top coach in the coaching set up who Ole has brought from outside of the United set up? Certainly not Phelan, Carrick or Fletcher. Mckenna was in the youth set up.
Why did SAF not hire Bruce or Robson or anyone else who wants to learn coaching? Because he wanted new ideas and new ways of playing.
We can't replicate what we played 20 years ago.
Ole bringing in the winning mentality and what it means to play for United and his man management is very good. Now he needs to forget about this old boys club and bring it top coaches outside of the UK if it's what is needed.
Our best players under SAF has been non British. Out most influential players under SAF has been non British.
Yes and no. Doing the rebuild like Ole set out to do, bringing Utd back to the roots, you’d need that connection.
That said. One of Oles biggest flaws is his loyalty. He will throw any player not living up to the hype under the bus. But he will not when it comes to coaches.
But then again. 90% of the coaching critics are clutching at straws. We don’t know what they do, and when you look at the material they are supposed to work with!? The players are the ones doing what they have always done.. The same mistakes and the same inconsistent performance they did before Ole got here. So there are no definite answer to this. Only speculation
It kind of contradicts itself...
Obviously Solskjaer is happy with the coaching or he'd have done something about it. We recently added a new coach. It could have been someone else. He chose it to be Fletcher.
where do I begin? Cheers for trying to rip my post to shreds with a needlessly scathing reply for no reason whatsoever
We definitely 100% have a British core. Oles biggest signings have been Maguire (our captain!) AWB and Bruno so far. One could argue we overpayed for the British players but we got them. That’s assembling a British core. Bringing Henderson back? Targeting Sancho and Grealish? What’s that? It’s not a coincidence. Of course he’ll also sign a player from anywhere if he thinks they can do a job. Where did I say he wouldn’t?
Carrick I mistakenly thought was the only ex United player who was coaching the players day to day. Is phelan a coach or just an assistant? If it’s an old boys club and we are second this year and first next year then I couldn’t care less. If we start losing then go get some coaches if that’s the answer. It doesn’t matter to me as long as we are interesting to watch. I don’t think the coaching is the problem. I think if the owners recruited more agressively we’d be playing better.
the youth set up has been totally revamped. The volume of quality young players we are bringing into the club is a different standard altogether these days. You only have to look at the outlay on talent if nothing else to see it’s been ramped up over the last few years. Hannibal Diallo and Shola waiting in the wings. That’s a high standard of prospect. Possible international level. Ole bought Amad and I’m fairly sure Hannibal came in for 10 million while Ole was boss too so I don’t get what you mean about that.
Family club as in Ole and his staff get to know everyone in the organisation. They are approachable. The players all mix with the staff and all the age groups with each other like it was under Fergie. It’s supposed to be a hub of the community too people forget. A lot of staff have come out and said the atmosphere is way better than at any other time post Fergie. Look I just read the athletic and bits on here and whatever. If they are wrong or bullshitting then fair enough but it’s nice to hear things are good at the club and we are pulling in the same direction behind the scenes again. Not like on here
that’s it, I’m out!
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Mourinho hired Carrick and McKenna, SAF hired Phelan.
where do I begin? Cheers for trying to rip my post to shreds with a needlessly scathing reply for no reason whatsoever
"Scathing".
There is a difference between saying we have a British core and suggesting we are targetting British players. Again you also conveniently ignore the non-British players we did sign. For example this season we signed five non-British players. We brought Henderson back as competition for De Gea. It has got nothing to do with the fact he is British. We targeted Sancho because at the time he was one of the best RW's in the world. We targeted Grealish similarly because he is one of the best players in the league. Again, nothing to do with being "British". We signed Maguire because he was the best CB at the time who was available and demonstrated leadership qualities. Same with AWB for RB - one of the better RB's in the league at the time.
It is very clear from what Ole says to the media that he is identifying players with the right sort of mentality - that is the difference. If they happen to be British then that is okay but it isn't the main focus and certainly not close to anything like you are suggesting that it is.
I have not said anything about whether it is good or bad. I just pointed out that we had more than just Carrick.
The academy has not been "totally revamped" under Ole. You've highlighted two signings but this is just a continuation of something which has been going on for years, for example Chong, Fosu, Dalot, Boonen and Pereira. Ole has been part of that process sure, but to suggest that this is part of some complete revamp is bizarre. Shola for example has been at the club since the age of about 10 years old or something - so well before Ole was around.
Here are a few articles as well:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/12/manchester-united-youth-team-paul-mcguinness
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...emy-scout-club-s-youth-undergoing-revamp.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...hester-United-shut-seven-academy-centres.html
Also, Mourinho gets stick for not investing in youth, despite actually signing Dalot, giving a debut to McT and using him and also handing out debuts to Gomes and Tuanzebe, the latter of which was later loaned out to Aston Villa where he developed well. So again, this narrative that Ole has come along and changed everything completely just isn't quite true, or at least not in the way you describe it.
Family club as in Ole and his staff get to know everyone in the organisation. They are approachable. The players all mix with the staff and all the age groups with each other like it was under Fergie. It’s supposed to be a hub of the community too people forget. A lot of staff have come out and said the atmosphere is way better than at any other time post Fergie. Look I just read the athletic and bits on here and whatever. If they are wrong or bullshitting then fair enough but it’s nice to hear things are good at the club and we are pulling in the same direction behind the scenes again. Not like on here
You always get quotes from people either praising or criticising what managers do behind the scenes.
We need to finish above Leicester and Chelsea this season, otherwise it will be a true indicator that Ole is not a top manager let alone an elite one. A loss against Chelsea followed by having our asses whipped by shitty will put enormous pressure on him. I am yet to see that we perform when it matters the most, so, hopefully, a win against the chavs will be a first bite of a humble pie in my mouth.
Yep. And it’s absolutely guaranteed that Chelsea will invest all the money wisely. All their recruitment from the summer just gone was absolutely bang on the nose.
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