Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Robbie Boy]

People proclaiming he's the best manager since SAF as a fact, is ludicrous. If that's your opinion then fair enough. Right now though, Mourinho got us 2nd place with our best points total post-Fergie and won us two cups. Heck, LvG won us the FA Cup.

I'm in the camp that - in my opinion - I've enjoyed us the most under Ole than any of the others post-Fergie. But I certainly wouldn't dare state it as fact. Although I wanted Mourinho gone, he had the most success. So it's not productive whatsoever to run around stating an opinion as fact and then act bewildered when people question you.

 

[AshRK]

Give new manager 6 months and these anti Ole guys will be back bashing the new manager too. There are some good posters who have given valid reason of why they don't rate Ole and I can respect their opinions but then their are many who just write extreme stuffs without any reasoning which just confirms they are either trolls or just don't know what they are talking but say things for the sake of it.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Give new manager 6 months and these anti Ole guys will be back bashing the new manager too. There are some good posters who have given valid reason of why they don't rate Ole and I can respect their opinions but then their are many who just write extreme stuffs without any reasoning which just confirms they are either trolls or just don't know what they are talking but say things for the sake of it.

Unfortunately the trolls on both sides post the most and scream hysterically loud. There's good debate to be found by both sides if you want it. I also think you're generalising a-lot with your post and have no real basis. For example; plenty of posters who backed Jose until the bitter end, wanted Ole gone early enough. Conversely; plenty of posters who wanted Jose gone early into his tenure are staunchly backing Ole.

I could just as easily say - in a hypothetical sense - that the hysterical Ole in bunch will want a new manager gone asap, as they are so bitter with Ole getting sacked. But baseless generalisations won't help anything other than fanning the flames.

 

[Zen86]

It's not vague. Our tempo across the pitch was visibly poor and our chance creation was poor. I'm being quite descriptive here, Martial wasn't moving enough, Rashford wasn't effective from the right position (which Ole continually plays him in) and Greenwood looked the only player up for it.

So pointing to the team, Rashford looks off the mark, Martial too, Bruno on top and then both centre backs. That's as a minimum, right? So there comes a time where you think OK 5 of our outfield players are playing poorly for an extended period.
Normally, you'd put that down to a blip of course. But this the nth time it's happening to Ole, which is why it's a concern. If there are chronic cycles where half the outfield players look off the mark for extended periods, the manager becomes accountable for it.

Martial and Rashford are forever going through hot and cold cycles, it’s not an Ole thing, it’s a persistent problem with the players themselves. Greenwood is going through second season syndrome, pretty standard stuff for a player of his age after his breakout season. Bruno is probably burnt out after the year he’s had, he’s allowed to go through a slump. Pogba was seemingly stepping up to the plate, but lo and behold he’s now injured, and VdB has been pretty ineffective to date.

Whilst I agree we score goals as a general season consensus, the point is of late, we are too blunt in creation and scoring against the bread and butter teams again.

And that's why I never named Everton as an example. I'm naming Sheffield United, Burnley, West Ham and West Brom as examples. I guess you can chuck the extremely blunt 0-0 snoozefest against Arsenal in that list too.

The problem with these teams is that they think they can come and have a go because of how fragile we are. You don’t get that with City, they’ve won the game before they’ve even stepped foot on the pitch half the time. We look shit and rattled when the ball comes near our area and every team we play knows this. We end up with shithouse players from shithouse teams having the game of their lives, and a general nervousness around our own play.

I’m a firm believer in the mantra of building success from the back, sort that out and the rest will follow. Just look at how confident and assured City are right now with a solid defence.

 

[AshRK]

Unfortunately the trolls on both sides post the most and scream hysterically loud. There's good debate to be found by both sides if you want it. I also think you're generalising a-lot with your post and have no real basis. For example; plenty of posters who backed Jose until the bitter end, wanted Ole gone early enough. Conversely; plenty of posters who wanted Jose gone early into his tenure are staunchly backing Ole.

I could just as easily say - in a hypothetical sense - that the hysterical Ole in bunch will want a new manager gone asap, as they are so bitter with Ole getting sacked. But baseless generalisations won't help anything other than fanning the flames.

I don't see anyone who is a Ole supporter posting stupid comments. There was one but he has been banned. The likes of @anant @roonster09 @crossy1686 @Bilbo @RedSky @romufc and pretty sure many more have always been balanced in their opinion. I am not saying there are not trolls on either side, their are and which is why one poster was even banned but just see more Ole outers come here to troll or just blatantly abuse Ole. Again not saying all Ole outers are trolls but some of the comments we seen whenever we draw or lose is shocking.

 

[Ish]

All good mate bar the never ending lockdowns and still working from home nearly a year on!

Haha, I'm with you. I support him, but I admit I am definitely one of the ones who would veer on the side of negativity, and I amen't totally sold on him. That being said, I'm ok to see him take us into next season once we don't capitulate from now until May. By then though, after more time and investment, I would expect improvements and less excuses. If the Board are supporting him for the long term, they need to show it in the summer transfer window.

Yeah if he gets the top 4, I don’t see the board getting rid anyway. Onwards and upwards I guess!

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

People proclaiming he's the best manager since SAF as a fact, is ludicrous. If that's your opinion then fair enough. Right now though, Mourinho got us 2nd place with our best points total post-Fergie and won us two cups. Heck, LvG won us the FA Cup.

I'm in the camp that - in my opinion - I've enjoyed us the most under Ole than any of the others post-Fergie. But I certainly wouldn't dare state it as fact. Although I wanted Mourinho gone, he had the most success. So it's not productive whatsoever to run around stating an opinion as fact and then act bewildered when people question you.

I enjoyed the Mourinho/Zlatan and Pogba first season the most, too many draws in which we absolutely battered the other sides goal, and then switching focus ultimately left us with just 69 points but it was a fun season that.

No question Ole so far this season has been the second most enjoyable since Fergie, much more enjoyable than Jose’s 2nd placed season, although how much of that is actually down to City absolutely twatting it in 2017/18 and “giving us a chance” this year I don’t know.

That season we’d scored 1 less goal after 24 games, and had 7 more points, GD was also miles better.
But City had won 21 of 24 games and had a 52 GD.
Deapite how well we started that, we were never in with a chance. This season has been more enjoyable because it feels like we flirted with the idea of a title race at least.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I don't see anyone who is a Ole supporter posting stupid comments. There was one but he has been banned. The likes of @anant @roonster09 @crossy1686 @Bilbo @RedSky @romufc and pretty sure many more have always been balanced in their opinion. I am not saying one troll is better than others but just see more Ole outers come here to troll or just blatantly abuse Ole. Again not saying all Ole outers are trolls but some of the comments we seen whenever we draw or lose is shocking.

There are plenty of shocking posters on both sides, unfortunately. It's really not hard to find their wummy behavior; I'm not familiar with all the posters you mentioned but the ones I am familiar with, I wouldn't put in the 'Ole in' camp. For me, being associated with either exteme camp is equally as bad and both are hysterical, wummy and shoot down any opposing opinion. Backing him is normal but the 'in' camp are just too extreme and wummy.

I agree the hysteria is insane, especially after a draw. But both sets of wums engage each other and it leads to an endless loop of the same conversations over and over. Then when we win the 'in' wums are just as overbearing. For me the proper Ole fans are the likes of @Bilbo @Withnail and @Skåre Willoch. All three have always supported him but have always been available for sensible debate and can take other opinions on board. I won't name the wums from either side but I can easily think up 5 or 6 from each that are prevalent in here.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I don't see anyone who is a Ole supporter posting stupid comments. There was one but he has been banned. The likes of @anant @roonster09 @crossy1686 @Bilbo @RedSky @romufc and pretty sure many more have always been balanced in their opinion. I am not saying there are not trolls on either side, their are and which is why one poster was even banned but just see more Ole outers come here to troll or just blatantly abuse Ole. Again not saying all Ole outers are trolls but some of the comments we seen whenever we draw or lose is shocking.

You obviously haven’t had the pleasure of meeting GoldTrafford yet

 

[Bebestation]

I enjoyed the Mourinho/Zlatan and Pogba first season the most, too many draws in which we absolutely battered the other sides goal, and then switching focus ultimately left us with just 69 points but it was a fun season that.

No question Ole so far this season has been the second most enjoyable since Fergie, much more enjoyable than Jose’s 2nd placed season, although how much of that is actually down to City absolutely twatting it in 2017/18 and “giving us a chance” this year I don’t know.

That season we’d scored 1 less goal after 24 games, and had 7 more points, GD was also miles better.
But City had won 21 of 24 games and had a 52 GD.
Deapite how well we started that, we were never in with a chance. This season has been more enjoyable because it feels like we flirted with the idea of a title race at least.

This explains it all for me.

Anyone who likes Mourinho and enjoys his football is not something I get. It's like how 3/4 of the supporters were crying out for Mourinho post LVG and then pretended like they never did when Mourinho left.

Very short term manager for arguably the most opposite style of club.

 

[Ludens the Red]

I don't see anyone who is a Ole supporter posting stupid comments. There was one but he has been banned. The likes of @anant @roonster09 @crossy1686 @Bilbo @RedSky @romufc and pretty sure many more have always been balanced in their opinion. I am not saying there are not trolls on either side, their are and which is why one poster was even banned but just see more Ole outers come here to troll or just blatantly abuse Ole. Again not saying all Ole outers are trolls but some of the comments we seen whenever we draw or lose is shocking.

You obviously haven’t had the pleasure of meeting GoldTrafford yet

These posts are linked...

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

He’s a long term Bruno injury away from the sack. Clueless tactically I’m afraid.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

These posts are linked...

ah ha

 

[VP89]

Martial and Rashford are forever going through hot and cold cycles, it’s not an Ole thing, it’s a persistent problem with the players themselves. Greenwood is going through second season syndrome, pretty standard stuff for a player of his age after his breakout season. Bruno is probably burnt out after the year he’s had, he’s allowed to go through a slump. Pogba was seemingly stepping up to the plate, but lo and behold he’s now injured, and VdB has been pretty ineffective to date.

I disagree with much of this - I mean sure the pair are hot and cold but Martial is on really bad form and needs outright dropping for a prolonged period. Rashford needs to play in his best position to have maximum impact. Neither is happening.

And re. VDB, he's hardly had any chances. He's literally had scraps. His ineffectiveness is largely down to a lack of proper chances. It's not his best position, but he could play an 8 with a holder next to him in Pogba's absence, but it just doesn't happen. His performances in the diamond v Leipzig and vs Southampton show he can operate well there, but the chances aren't given.

Also even if we were to accept he's ineffective - Ole bought him, and Ole bought James. Their lack of influence is about 65-70m EURs and reflects poorly on Ole's own transfer judgement.

The problem with these teams is that they think they can come and have a go because of how fragile we are. You don’t get that with City, they’ve won the game before they’ve even stepped foot on the pitch half the time. We look shit and rattled when the ball comes near our area and every team we play knows this. We end up with shithouse players from shithouse teams having the game of their lives, and a general nervousness around our own play.

I’m a firm believer in the mantra of building success from the back, sort that out and the rest will follow. Just look at how confident and assured City are right now with a solid defence.

The manager is responsible for creating a stronger mentality in the squad though. You cant just blame everything on the players. If we look fragile it's because we are fragile. And it doesn't matter if it's Ole, Pep or Klopp, if a side still looks very fragile 2 years into the manager's tenure then it's not a good reflection of his work.

 

[AshRK]

There are plenty of shocking posters on both sides, unfortunately. It's really not hard to find their wummy behavior; I'm not familiar with all the posters you mentioned but the ones I am familiar with, I wouldn't put in the 'Ole in' camp. For me, being associated with either exteme camp is equally as, as bad both are hysterical, wummy and shoot down any opposing opinion. Backing him is normal but the 'in' camp are just too extreme and wummy.

I agree the hysteria is insane, especially after a draw. But both sets of wums engage each other and it leads to an endless loop of the same conversations over and over. Then when we win the 'in' wums are just as overbearing. For me the proper Ole fans are the likes of @Bilbo @Withnail and @Skåre Willoch. All three have always supported him but have always been available for sensible debate and can take other opinions on board. I won't name the wums from either side but I can easily think up 5 or 6 from each that are prevalent in here.

I don't see random bumps whenever we win in this thread but when we lose or their is a blip in form you see familiar faces turning up and just mocking Ole. You can't with straight face say the way pages go up whenever we draw or lose doesn't happen. As I said trolls are either side and neither are fun but I see more when we draw or lose than when we win. Just my opinion.

 

[DannyCAFC]

Yeah if he had to rebuild the club he would settle for Joe Allen, Iago Aspas and Joe Allen just to name a few

Luckily he came to a well built club with Ndidi, Vardy, Barnes, Maddison, pereira, most their CBs and Schmeichel already at the club before he arrived so he wouldnt need to 'rebuild' that club either.

Dare I say if Ole had signed Fofana and either Castagne or James Justin that United would be a better team right now?

A lot of trash came through the door at Liverpool but God knows what their transfer policy as a whole was like back then. But they did also sign Coutinho, Firmino, Gomez, Sturridge, Ings, Emre Can as examples whilst he was there. Even the likes of Luis Alberto and Aspas have been shown since to be good players.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

This explains it all for me.

Anyone who likes Mourinho and enjoys his football is not something I get.

If you couldn’t enjoy the fun that Summer when Pogba and Zlatan signed, the Community Shield watching Zlatan utterly beast Wes Morgan, then watching Zlatan go win a Wembley final and finished off with a EL win vs. Ajax....

Well what can you enjoy?

 

[Robbie Boy]

I enjoyed the Mourinho/Zlatan and Pogba first season the most, too many draws in which we absolutely battered the other sides goal, and then switching focus ultimately left us with just 69 points but it was a fun season that.

No question Ole so far this season has been the second most enjoyable since Fergie, much more enjoyable than Jose’s 2nd placed season, although how much of that is actually down to City absolutely twatting it in 2017/18 and “giving us a chance” this year I don’t know.

That season we’d scored 1 less goal after 24 games, and had 7 more points, GD was also miles better.
But City had won 21 of 24 games and had a 52 GD.
Deapite how well we started that, we were never in with a chance. This season has been more enjoyable because it feels like we flirted with the idea of a title race at least.

Yeah that's a fair assessment. The summer Jose came in and we signed Zlatan and Pogba finally felt like we were getting back to the top. I wanted Jose and I have no issue saying that. I supported him until his implosion in his final months. The Seville debacle irked me but I still had some hope after that. Unfortunately it all went south and by the end I was a very vocal 'Jose out' - yep I was one of those and I was a relentless prick What he was doing to the club in the end was just all too much.

Ole came in and really brought back the feel good factor. I have reservations about him but on a whole, he's done some good here for sure and he'll leave us in a good place. It's wrong to negate the negatives like some are hell bent on doing. But on balance, bar a catastrophic few months, I'm ok with him leading us into next season. The decent Ole fans on here even agree that the excuses will have to stop for him at that point.

 

[Bebestation]

Dare I say if Ole had signed Fofana and either Castagne or James Justin that United would be a better team right now?

A lot of trash came through the door at Liverpool but God knows what their transfer policy as a whole was like back then. But they did also sign Coutinho, Firmino, Gomez, Sturridge, Ings, Emre Can as examples whilst he was there. Even the likes of Luis Alberto and Aspas have been shown since to be good players.

And to be fair maybe the transfer policy looks better now because its Leicester City's great transfer tactics that have always been there rather than anything Rodgers has done.

 

[Bebestation]

If you couldn’t enjoy the fun that Summer when Pogba and Zlatan signed, the Community Shield watching Zlatan utterly beast Wes Morgan, then watching Zlatan go win a Wembley final and finished off with a EL win vs. Ajax....

Well what can you enjoy?

That was extremely short term enjoyment- nothing more than enjoying a single game at 7pm with a beer in my hands.

I all knew it was going to end in 3 years and leave us in a worse state than ever so I was depressed inside and waiting for it to eventually end.

 

[Roboc7]

But under LvG and Jose, our squad was bought and had literally no future... nothing for us to cling to.

Have you witnessed the young players Ole has bought and is having developed since he came in?

Honestly; wanna know how good Ole is, watch the U-23s...with Ole, it's all about where we're heading, not where we are.

With LvG and Jose it was always about where we were at any one time.

Ole has very little to do with that U23 team and the credit should be going to Nicky Butt and co.

Ole isn’t running the Academy, or the U23’s and he isn’t our DOF, it’s clutching at straws. He needs to be assessed on what the first team are doing.

Can be argued either way whether this team is improving or not or how much by but only time will tell.

 

[Mainoldo]

And to be fair maybe the transfer policy looks better now because its Leicester City's great transfer tactics that have always been there rather than anything Rodgers has done.

Has Liverpool’s policy changed? Maybe he’s just a good manager and clubs buy players within their budget range. We have the luxury of a more lucrative market.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

The decent Ole fans on here even agree that the excuses will have to stop for him at that point.

Bang on with the entire post Rob and I feel the same as you, he’d have to feck up top four for me to want a change and even then, I’d only change him for someone genuinely exciting. I absolutely wouldn’t swap him for say Allegri even if he finishes 5th.
The quoted line above in particular is true, anyone who engages in a really debate in this thread knows that.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

That was extremely short term enjoyment-

I didn’t say it wasn’t short term, I said it was the most enjoyable season.
CS, League Cup, EL win all spread out through the season, lost only 5 in the league. And a thoroughly enjoyable Summer to proceed it.

If you enjoyed last season more, good on you.

 

[Robbie Boy]

And to be fair maybe the transfer policy looks better now because its Leicester City's great transfer tactics that have always been there rather than anything Rodgers has done.

So wait, Rodgers isn't doing a really good job at Leicester?

 

[Bebestation]

So wait, Rodgers isn't doing a really good job at Leicester?

Who said that? I said hes bad at transfers a d arguably so are we.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Who said that? I said hes bad at transfers a d arguably so are we.

So Ole and Brenton are bad at transfers?

 

[Robbie Boy]

Who said that? I said hes bad at transfers a d arguably so are we.

Your ridiculous theory on being bad at transfers has been dispelled. He made mistakes at Liverpool but still signed good players in Coutinho, Gomez, Milner, Firmino and Sturridge. Three of that list when onto be key players in a CL and PL winning side. He also made decent buys in Lallana, Clyne, Ings and Can. Ings had his injury problems but it's hardly Rodgers fault. Yeah he made some shocking signings like all managers do. I'm not totally sold on Ole's transfers for what it's worth. They've been decent overall but hardly earth shattering.

You seem hell bent on discrediting the brilliant work Rodgers has done Leicester by bringing up transfers from 6 or 7 years ago. You also seem to discredit any of his transfers at Leicester as none were down to him, apparently. The agenda is strong with this one. It's ok to like other managers, the world doesn't revolve around Ole.

 

[Giggsyking]

Big teams in their worst form still plays in next round CL, while our incompetent manager took us all the way to the stupid Thursday night europa league. He should have been got the boot when he couldnt get 4 points from Basaksehir two times, a bad Leipzig and a bad PSG.

 

[Robbie Boy]

You obviously haven’t had the pleasure of meeting GoldTrafford yet

Oh he's definitely not a returnee

 

[Robbie Boy]

These posts are linked...

It's almost too obvious.

 

[Bilbo]

There are plenty of shocking posters on both sides, unfortunately. It's really not hard to find their wummy behavior; I'm not familiar with all the posters you mentioned but the ones I am familiar with, I wouldn't put in the 'Ole in' camp. For me, being associated with either exteme camp is equally as bad and both are hysterical, wummy and shoot down any opposing opinion. Backing him is normal but the 'in' camp are just too extreme and wummy.

I agree the hysteria is insane, especially after a draw. But both sets of wums engage each other and it leads to an endless loop of the same conversations over and over. Then when we win the 'in' wums are just as overbearing. For me the proper Ole fans are the likes of @Bilbo @Withnail and @Skåre Willoch. All three have always supported him but have always been available for sensible debate and can take other opinions on board. I won't name the wums from either side but I can easily think up 5 or 6 from each that are prevalent in here.

Appreciate the name check. I have no doubts that I've probably dipped a toe into the hysterical Ole in pool a couple of times on here, but that was largely in response to the overly critical direction this place can find itself in at times.

In truth im genuinely happy with the job he has done, and I don't feel he gets near enough credit, but he also of course still has it all to prove. Next season is the big one for me. Time to deliver or let someone else have a turn.

 

[Mainoldo]

Appreciate the name check. I have no doubts that I've probably dipped a toe into the hysterical Ole in pool a couple of times on here, but that was largely in response to the overly critical direction this place can find itself in at times.

In truth im genuinely happy with the job he has done, and I don't feel he gets near enough credit, but he also of course still has it all to prove. Next season is the big one for me. Time to deliver or let someone else have a turn.

You said that last year. You’ll say it again next year.

 

[Giggsyking]

You said that last year. You’ll say it again next year.

Exactly. And if Ole will not deliver, they will absolutely find an excuse.

 

[JustAGuest]

Big teams in their worst form still plays in next round CL, while our incompetent manager took us all the way to the stupid Thursday night europa league. He should have been got the boot when he couldnt get 4 points from Basaksehir two times, a bad Leipzig and a bad PSG.

That is nonsense. It was one of the toughest groups to qualify from. Both Leipzig and PSG were in the semi finals of the CL last season. How exactly are they considered bad?

 

[Hellboy]

That is nonsense. It was one of the toughest groups to qualify from. Both Leipzig and PSG were in the semi finals of the CL last season. How exactly are they considered bad?

We were in the driving seat after 2 games before playing a pub team and only needed 1 point to qualify from the last 2

the excuses you make for Ole are incredible

 

[Frank White]

We were in the driving seat after 2 games before playing a pub team and only needed 1 point to qualify from the last 2

the excuses you make for Ole are incredible

How is that a excuse? He just pointed out that the two teams he called "bad" where semi finalists last year and that it was a tough overall group. Sure we should be playing tonight instead of Thursday after the results at PSG and Leipzig but to say that, that group was bad is just ridiculous.

 

[AgentSmith]

How is that a excuse? He just pointed out that the two teams he called "bad" where semi finalists last year and that it was a tough overall group. Sure we should be playing tonight instead of Thursday after the results at PSG and Leipzig but to say that, that group was bad is just ridiculous.

Yeah that is a ridiculous response to someone saying Leipzig and PSG aren’t bad teams.

The polarisation on both sides of the ‘Ole’ divide is unbearable and it leaves both camps either blind to the progress we’ve made or blind to the progress we still have to make. Everything is instantly black and white while ignoring the fact that the reality of any situation lies in the grey.

The predictability and hostility underlying so many of these posts is also equally misguided and equally boring. We all support United and want what’s best for the club - we’re just gonna disagree on the method to achieve this. That doesn’t have to then descend into points scoring at every single opportunity because this just pollutes the dialogue and dampens the mood on the Caf. If you wouldn’t say your post to someone’s face maybe change the wording.

Cards on the table, I probably fall into the camp that Ole isn’t the man to take us back to the elite level. But I do think he’s an important component in the journey there and the right man for the job in the short-term, but not the long.

I hope I’m wrong - that he is able to make the jump - and I’ll give him every chance to be able to do so because the progress we’ve made since Mourinho is undeniable. I just worry that the flaws he has were clearly present towards the end of his caretaker reign. They then continued throughout his first proper season and persist well into the second. It’s worrying that a lot of the best attributes Ole seems to have relate very little to his actual coaching ability. To dismiss these issues as somehow indicating ‘you’re not a true fan’ or ‘you don’t understand the plan’ is silly and misses the point.

Conversely, to dismiss the obvious progress we’ve made and to immediately jump on any negative result with statements like ‘PE Teacher’ and ‘Guy from Molde’ is equally silly and misses the point. It feels at times on here like people get more masochistic pleasure out of a loss than genuine enjoyment from a win. Doing the mental gymnastics to validate Nagelsmann’s issues with setting up a defence while lambasting Ole for the same thing must be as tiresome to write as it is to read.

Ole has most likely earned another season with significant investment in the summer to see if he, and the team, can make the jump from pretenders to contenders. If he can, we’re flying. If he can’t, he was given more than enough time and we can look for a suitable replacement safe in the knowledge that the team (and more importantly the club) is in a much better state than when Ole joined. No other manager since Fergie has achieved that.

That’s my uselessly long-winded two cents. Feel free to ignore my attempts to cure my insomnia by boring myself to sleep.

TLDR; I think the arguments for ‘Ole In’ and ‘Ole Out’ both have merits and both have flaws; I just wish people would acknowledge both those sides of their own arguments and be nicer to each other while doing so.

 

[TheGame]

I don't see random bumps whenever we win in this thread but when we lose or their is a blip in form you see familiar faces turning up and just mocking Ole. You can't with straight face say the way pages go up whenever we draw or lose doesn't happen. As I said trolls are either side and neither are fun but I see more when we draw or lose than when we win. Just my opinion.

I agree with this as well. So much so that it’s not even worth having a debate with some of them.

 

[Teja]

At the very least I'm glad the board didn't jump the gun and give him a new contract as soon as we hit a purple patch. Been Ole in so far and still a mild preference for him to continue in the job but my optimism is flagging.

A squad with basically no injuries and we have ~1.92 PPG.
If you take Ole's word for it and disregard the first 3 games because we weren't "ready" - we're at 2.04 PPG.

Maybe he can reliably get us top four if we stick (which is more than what can be said of our other appointments) - but beyond that seems a bit out of reach. Definitely won't be challenging City / Pool next year either unless we pull off two more Bruno level transfers which seems unlikely. I think we need to be more ambitious than that but run a real risk of getting it wrong with the next appt which can set us even further back.